Prickly Pete wrote: » But the priests,nuns etc are humans so they should be held to a human standard. The People of Ireland allowed the church the power they had in this country and nobody wants to admit it.
odyssey06 wrote: » Maybe you should start questioning why a church which is supposed to be dedicated to love, mercy, patience and understanding, of brotherhood and sisterhood... is capable of such abuse. You are holding the church to a human standard, as if they were the mafia or a political party or some semi-state entity. They are supposed to be the representatives of an all loving moral supreme being on earth. If that is the best that religion can do ... we have no need of it for moral purposes.
The_Valeyard wrote: » But it went hand in hand, they were men of their time.
Prickly Pete wrote: » The people who went along with the church were idiots it's just people don't want to admit the large role their parents and grandparents played in giving the church such power and allowing them to do this stuff so they just blindly blame the church for everything without ever questioning why the church could do such things in the first place.
Academic wrote: » If you read what I wrote you'll see that I never said anything about anyone's motivations. I was talking about institutional support.
mrkiscool2 wrote: » Haha what? Are you actually trolling or do you believe what you've just written? Because if you do, I feel sorry for how indoctrinated you are. The church is almost wholly to blame for the Magadelene Laundries. Like, let's look at what happened if you got pregnant out of wedlock. You had 2 options. Either a. enter the laundry or b. be shamed, have no support, be brought up as a sinner and basically be shunned by your community. Believe it or not, the church had massive sway over each and every parish at the time. It wasn't until the 70s that this power started to wane. These women had no choice. That's not to mention what happened in these institutions, the way dead babies were put into mass graves, how the mother would most likely never see her child again. Those weren't the fault of parents or grandparents, but the church. Finally, sexual abuse against young children by priests definitely is no-one's fault but those priests, and the cover-up is wholly on the church.
The_Valeyard wrote: » You dont know that, their faith could have driven them, motivating facture like Newton and God as the masterful creatures. Many of these people believed Science and Religion could complement each other.
Academic wrote: » Agreed. It was simple historical happenstance that there were for so long comparable institutions capable of supporting sustained and often shared research programs.
steddyeddy wrote: » I'm not saying that being religious led to these things at all.
Academic wrote: » I don’t think anyone would deny that over the centuries religious people have done good things. The question is, rather, did they do those good things because they were religious—that is, was being religious a necessary condition for doing good things? I think not. Other people have contributed to science too. It just happened that early in our history the church was the main institution capable of supporting the work.
mrkiscool2 wrote: » That's not to mention what happened in these institutions, the way dead babies were put into mass graves, how the mother would most likely never see her child again. Those weren't the fault of parents or grandparents, but the church. Finally, sexual abuse against young children by priests definitely is no-one's fault but those priests, and the cover-up is wholly on the church.
Sam Kade wrote: » They are similar to vegans that don't eat meat but they can't fcuking stop talking about it.
Prickly Pete wrote: » The church in this country weren't armed they didn't force people to give up children send pregnant women away etc it was the idiots in this country who followed them that were the problem, the idiots who voted for the politicians who allowed the church to have a say in things. People need to remember that before going to the easy angle of blaming the church for everything, it just makes people feel better because they can blame the church rather than blaming their parents and grandparents.
utmbuilder wrote: » What is the deal with atheists campaigning for their beliefs and lack of. Surely if you dont believe in something you just chill out shut up and go by your daily business. They threat atheism like their new own religion, wanting to squash anything in their sight or their children sight which resembles anyone elses beliefs. Is it just them thinking they are superior to everyone else and know everything? I am no holy joe, but these guys pee me off.
Deleted User wrote: » Is this an atheist thing or can we all eat popcorn; i'm hungry.
steddyeddy wrote: » Depends on the atheist really. The seperation of church and state badly needs to happen. Constantly calling religious people stupid doesn't need to happen. I'm of the former variety. An atheist should also ridicule all religions and not just the ones that are trendy to pick on. E.G the Catholic church. It's also false to say religion or religious orders offered us nothing. The Catholic church for all it's faults gave us the following: Albertus Magnus [...]
Your Face wrote: » Anybody know where I can get the Michael Jackson popcorn gif?
The_Valeyard wrote: » I much prefer this one
Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »
steddyeddy wrote: » Depends on the atheist really. The seperation of church and state badly needs to happen. Constantly calling religious people stupid doesn't need to happen. I'm of the former variety. An atheist should also ridicule all religions and not just the ones that are trendy to pick on. E.G the Catholic church. It's also false to say religion or religious orders offered us nothing. The Catholic church for all it's faults gave us the following: Albertus Magnus, Dominican monk and patron saint of the natural sciences, Roger Bacon, Franciscan friar and founder of the modern scientific method, George Coyne, Jesuit priest and astronomer, best known for his work on Seyfert galaxies, Johann Dzierzon, priest and father of apiology, who discovered parthenogenesis in bees, Gabriele Falloppio, priest and inventor of the condom, after whom the Fallopian tubes are named, Andrew Gordon, Benedictine monk and inventor of the first electric motor, René Just Haüy, priest and father of crystallography, Ányos Jedlík, Benedictine priest and inventor of the electromagnetic dynamo, Athanasius Kircher, Jesuit priest and the first to link disease to microbes, Monsignor Georges LeMaitre, Jesuit priest and mathematician, propounder of the Big Bang Theory, Gregor Mendel, Augustinian monk and father of genetics, Julius Nieuwland, Holy Cross priest whose work on synthetic rubber led to the invention of neoprene, William of Ockham, Franciscan monk and propounder of Occam’s Razor, Andrew Pinsent, priest, collaborator on DELPHI at CERN, currently researching autism, and almost definitely on the list of Smartest People Alive Today, Louis Rendu, priest and propounder of the mechanisms of glacial motion, Nicolas Steno, bishop and father of geology, one of the first people to identify fossils for what they were, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Jesuit and palaeontologist, discoverer of Peking Man, Ferdinand Verbiest, Jesuit and designer of the first self-propelled vehicle, Erich Wasmann, Jesuit and evolutionary entymologist, best known for Wasmannian mimicry, Francesco Zantedeschi, priest and possible discoverer of electromagnetism and why the sky is blue.
kylith wrote: » The thing that gets me about those that complain about atheist being open about their lack of belief is that they give out about atheists 'ramming their beliefs down others' throats', but I've never had an atheist knock on my door and proselytise [...]
Banjo wrote: » OP, it sounds like you're upset with anti-theists rather than atheists (i.e. those who are not content with not believing in a god themselves, it's important that you don't either). It's very frustrating for atheists to be confused with those arseholes, in the same way I guess that not all christians are klansmen.
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