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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**
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Floyd via DQwonderfullife wrote: »Number 1 prediction - Conor will jump into the air during this contest. As in RUN, JUMP, LAND from the very first bell. Both feet leaving the canvas, leaps into the air and lands.
Number 2 prediction - I guarantee he throws a kick faint off his lead (right) leg.
Number 3 prediction - he throws a capoeira-based spin within the first 5 minutes.
You can all say whatever you want but we're 9 days away from seeing what goes down, so we shall see.
:pac::pac:
I think you should go into the computer game development sector... because although your fantasy ideas are a bit nutty here in the real world... they would be great fun to see in a computer game! :P
But back in the real world... Conor is attempting to turn himself into the best boxer he can, in whatever time he has left.
He is only feeding the whole illusion of using MMA techniques, so that fans such as yourself, will get sucked in and jump on board the hype train!
He'll be a bit weird and awkward looking... but he'll be a boxer on Aug 26th... he won't be a very skilled one, by comparison to his opponent. But perhaps he'll be a lucky one, and land that miracle punch of the century!!
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Floyd via DQI like this, actually.
Because the circus that this fight is it fits in perfectly.
WWE isn't that far off what could potentially kick off in the ring........
Will we see someone or more than someone storm the ring, maybe?
Look at fan man.....
The DQ is at 7-1 on PP.....
Tag team with Artem "the tank" Lobov....?
Actually, part of me just hopes Conor says "f*ck the money"... and flattens him with a head kick!
He'd be a total legend if he did that... and he could go to his grave, knowing that he KO'd Mayweather in front of millions! That's worth more than $100m!! That's priceless! :pac:0 -
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Floyd is doing it here to sell the fight. That doesn't mean it's a legitmate aspect of analysis. Different fighters have different skill sets.ThinkProgress wrote: »It's BS Mellor... people like to separate Conor's submission losses from his stand-up performances, because they want to make his record appear more impressive! (exactly what Floyd is doing to try sell this fight)
You claim to be an MMA fan. I find that hard to believe that a casual wouldn't be aware of something so simple. The (repeated) criticism of Conor v Diaz would be spouted by anybody who tuned in for that fight and that fight only.
The sport in Ireland was very different back then. Conor turned pro very quickly after taking up the sport. As did most guys as there was nobody in ireland competing back them. Conor was fighter pro MMA as a white belt in jiu jitus, that's unheard of these days. Any basic grappler would have sub him once they get it down.The reality, is that Conor has been finished X3 times in his MMA career thus far... and none of those finishes were against top elite fighters.
Lauding those losses over him shows you're just out to needle him, or you don't understand grappling as much as you let on.
Right, Diaz finished Conor. He's not a champ, just a typical top 10 also-ran. What's the relevance to my post though.Diaz is obviously the best fighter to finish Conor... but he's still not a top fighter in the UFC... he's just a 32 year old journeyman, that has been in the company for 10 years now, and never won a belt!
Not sure if the strawman is intentional, or you're struggling to understand.Damien Maia is a poor all-round MMA fighter... he doesn't have the all-round skillset to become one of the top fighters in the sport.
I said Maia has excellent jiu jitsu. He does, arguing that point is the height of stupidity. It doesn't take a genius to recognizance an attribute in isolatin.
Same what the Floyd Mayweather is one of the ATG boxers, truely elite of the elite. But as a complete fighter, as you put it, he's mediocre at best.
But I apprecaite their skills for their skills. Really that simple to me.
Complete fighting refers to the rule set. You have to win under those conditions. It's all well and good being an handy kickboxer (for example), but if a hobbyist grappler can hand your ass to you in a fight, something is lacking. The inverse is of course true too, elite grappling is limited if you can't avoid basic strikes and crumble when you get hit even at the highest levels (Brock Lesnar, Ronda Rousey).It's ironic that so many MMA fanboys like to talk about MMA being complete fighting... yet you have those same people drooling over someone like Maia, because of his BJJ skills... despite being poor in pretty much every other facet of his sport... lol... that's not complete fighting!! :pac:
You don't need to be elite in every aspect. In fact, I'd even go as far to say it's not possible. There's a limited time available to reach the top of a sport. If you focus on a single aspect, your scope for that aspect is great. And as such, you should be held to a higher standard.
Take the hepatalon for example, verses any single event in isolation. One is a specialised athleticism, the other comprehensive athleticism. No sane person would criticise an elite hepathlete for not breaking the world records set by single event athletes. Yet, that's what people keep trying to do. It's really odd, and a little unhealthy imo.
The reason I said it's impossible to say, was that there was only 1 minute left in the round. He could have taking more strikes, lost the roun, but not been finished.The only reason he might not have got finished on the feet, is because Nate Diaz lacks the high level stand-up skills, to finish guys on the feet.
That would be the only reason I could see... because he was clearly in a very bad way, after a simple punch combo from an average journeyman UFC fighter, with very overrated boxing skills!
I think you are mixing up the rounds in the second fight.Even in the 2nd fight, he was getting gassed out at roughly the exact same point again, just like in the 1st fight.... except this time, he got on his bike and ran away. (obviously with the memory of that 1st fight very fresh in his mind)
Plenty of people got hoodwinked into believing that Conor had improved his cardio from the 1st fight... especially with all the gimmicky training programs he was pedalling on his website. But the reality, is that he gassed out at roughly the same point in the 2nd fight... but he had the experience to fight a bit smarter!
He lost the first fight in the second round.
In the rematch, McGregor dominated the 1st and 2nd round. 2 of his 3 knock downs were in the 2nd round. It was the third round that Diaz clearly won.
And I don't think he was pedalling (pardon the pun) that cardio program with Dalby until after that fight. Although, I'm not certain when it went live.
I'd imagine he'll lose the fight.What is he going to do against Floyd, when he starts breathing heavy after 1 or 2 rounds in there...??? Is he going to run away from Floyd too??
The majority of people can see this fight for what is is. And can recognise both sports for what they are. It's entirely possible to recognise a fighters ability in one sport, without having to blindly wade in behind. For example, if I point of some flaw in your logic regard Conor getting kneebared as a white belt. I'm just pointing of the flaw in the logic, i'm not necessarily using that as evidence for this boxing match. So rolling back to Conor v Floyd doesn't really refute those points.
I just don't understand why people are trying to make it into this weird boxing v MMA thing. It comes across a little insecure to me, on both sides. Not everyone, the minority of course, and a lot are maybe trolling0 -
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Floyd via DQFloyd is doing it here to sell the fight. That doesn't mean it's a legitmate aspect of analysis. Different fighters have different skill sets.
You claim to be an MMA fan. I find that hard to believe that a casual wouldn't be aware of something so simple. The (repeated) criticism of Conor v Diaz would be spouted by anybody who tuned in for that fight and that fight only.
The sport in Ireland was very different back then. Conor turned pro very quickly after taking up the sport. As did most guys as there was nobody in ireland competing back them. Conor was fighter pro MMA as a white belt in jiu jitus, that's unheard of these days. Any basic grappler would have sub him once they get it down.
Lauding those losses over him shows you're just out to needle him, or you don't understand grappling as much as you let on.
Right, Diaz finished Conor. He's not a champ, just a typical top 10 also-ran. What's the relevance to my post though.
Not sure if the strawman is intentional, or you're struggling to understand.
I said Maia has excellent jiu jitsu. He does, arguing that point is the height of stupidity. It doesn't take a genius to recognizance an attribute in isolatin.
Same what the Floyd Mayweather is one of the ATG boxers, truely elite of the elite. But as a complete fighter, as you put it, he's mediocre at best.
But I apprecaite their skills for their skills. Really that simple to me.
Complete fighting refers to the rule set. You have to win under those conditions. It's all well and good being an handy kickboxer (for example), but if a hobbyist grappler can hand your ass to you in a fight, something is lacking. The inverse is of course true too, elite grappling is limited if you can't avoid basic strikes and crumble when you get hit even at the highest levels (Brock Lesnar, Ronda Rousey).
You don't need to be elite in every aspect. In fact, I'd even go as far to say it's not possible. There's a limited time available to reach the top of a sport. If you focus on a single aspect, your scope for that aspect is great. And as such, you should be held to a higher standard.
Take the hepatalon for example, verses any single event in isolation. One is a specialised athleticism, the other comprehensive athleticism. No sane person would criticise an elite hepathlete for not breaking the world records set by single event athletes. Yet, that's what people keep trying to do. It's really odd, and a little unhealthy imo.
The reason I said it's impossible to say, was that there was only 1 minute left in the round. He could have taking more strikes, lost the roun, but not been finished.
I think you are mixing up the rounds in the second fight.
He lost the first fight in the second round.
In the rematch, McGregor dominated the 1st and 2nd round. 2 of his 3 knock downs were in the 2nd round. It was the third round that Diaz clearly won.
And I don't think he was pedalling (pardon the pun) that cardio program with Dalby until after that fight. Although, I'm not certain when it went live.
I'd imagine he'll lose the fight.
The majority of people can see this fight for what is is. And can recognise both sports for what they are. It's entirely possible to recognise a fighters ability in one sport, without having to blindly wade in behind. For example, if I point of some flaw in your logic regard Conor getting kneebared as a white belt. I'm just pointing of the flaw in the logic, i'm not necessarily using that as evidence for this boxing match. So rolling back to Conor v Floyd doesn't really refute those points.
I just don't understand why people are trying to make it into this weird boxing v MMA thing. It comes across a little insecure to me, on both sides. Not everyone, the minority of course, and a lot are maybe trolling
Your just making excuses for him,he went in and got beat,no one is needleing him ,there just facts.
Can you not see your standing up for him and making excuses or that blind to the facts?0 -
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Floyd via DQFloyd is doing it here to sell the fight. That doesn't mean it's a legitmate aspect of analysis. Different fighters have different skill sets.
I never said breaking down how you won/lost your fights, wasn't a legitimate form of analysis... that's not my point at all.
My point is that, when assessing someone's all-round fighting resume/abilities... you cannot just ignore submission losses, because "oh Conor is a stand-up fighter"... that's the BS part I disagree with!
Of course it makes perfect sense to break down the specifics of how you win/lose!You claim to be an MMA fan. I find that hard to believe that a casual wouldn't be aware of something so simple. The (repeated) criticism of Conor v Diaz would be spouted by anybody who tuned in for that fight and that fight only.
I think you are a touch confused about the point I was making in that post.The sport in Ireland was very different back then. Conor turned pro very quickly after taking up the sport. As did most guys as there was nobody in ireland competing back them. Conor was fighter pro MMA as a white belt in jiu jitus, that's unheard of these days. Any basic grappler would have sub him once they get it down.
Lauding those losses over him shows you're just out to needle him, or you don't understand grappling as much as you let on.
Actually, back then, Conor was in the very fortunate position of having Ireland's only black belt in BJJ as his personal coach and mentor! (And JK also had a great deal more spare time to devote solely to Conor too in those days)
The problem, is that Conor didn't really give the grappling arts his full attention/respect back then... something JK himself commented on a few years back.
Conor was very confident in his striking ability... so did not initially work as hard as he should have on his ground game! This is the real reason for those submission losses...
So you can't really blame anyone except Conor himself, for suffering those early losses... or the submission loss to Diaz either! The knowledge was right there, at his fingertips if he wanted it. But that touch of arrogance in his personality, caused him to underestimate the ground game!
(for the record, I think he is still underestimating certain things to this day... but his striking is so good, it will often get him out of jail)Right, Diaz finished Conor. He's not a champ, just a typical top 10 also-ran. What's the relevance to my post though.
We're talking about analysing a fighter... in general terms, but also in the context of this upcoming fight.
Those Diaz fights are very important, in both respects. Diaz had success against Conor, both in striking AND on the ground. Obviously it's mostly just the stand-up aspects that are important for this fight... but Floyd will also have been interested in how Conor dealt with fatigue and adversity, particularly in that first fight. But there will be things to take from both those Diaz fights...Not sure if the strawman is intentional, or you're struggling to understand.
I said Maia has excellent jiu jitsu. He does, arguing that point is the height of stupidity. It doesn't take a genius to recognizance an attribute in isolatin.
Same what the Floyd Mayweather is one of the ATG boxers, truely elite of the elite. But as a complete fighter, as you put it, he's mediocre at best.
But MMA markets itself as being all about well-rounded fighters... and in fact, the main criticism towards boxing, is that boxers are weak at everything else.
So why then, do so many people drool over a fighter like Demian Maia?? He is basically just a high level ground fighter, with almost nothing else in his arsenal... it kind of reeks of hypocrisy, and double standards!
So many people are desperate for Maia to win that UFC belt... because he has such an impressive BJJ game. But if a high level striker comes along, and they are weak on the ground... everybody ridicules them and writes them off. (just look how Conor was ridiculed by all the Yanks, and everyone else, because he couldn't wrestle)And I don't think he was pedalling (pardon the pun) that cardio program with Dalby until after that fight. Although, I'm not certain when it went live.
Might be wrong, but I definitely remember him pushing that program before the rematch...
He also claimed that he "outlasted the triathlete"... nonsense... Diaz finished the stronger of the two. Conor just paced himself a bit better, and didn't empty his tank as much trying to decapitate Nate in the early rounds!
There was no significant cardio improvements from the 1st fight, from what I could see... And there won't be any big leaps in that department on Aug 26th either. Perhaps a small improvement, you never know, but he will still be at a major disadvantage regarding boxing conditioning against Floyd.I just don't understand why people are trying to make it into this weird boxing v MMA thing. It comes across a little insecure to me, on both sides. Not everyone, the minority of course, and a lot are maybe trolling
I don't think it is boxing VS MMA... I think it's Floyd VS Conor... an elite boxer VS a novice boxer! It's that simple for me...wonderfullife wrote: »The loss to Sitenkov and Duffy were not very dissimilar to the early defeats Floyd suffered as an amateur.
MMA doesn't have a rich history of separating amateur and professional competition, so you often get professional bouts that are amateur in all-but-name when it comes to skillsets on show.
Excuses... excuses...
Jon Jones is almost exactly the same age as Conor...
They both made their pro debuts almost the exact same time (2008)....
They both have an identical number of pro fights.... (24)
But Jones has a better record. That's just a fact.
Conor had Ireland's only black belt in BJJ as his personal coach/mentor/friend in those early days.... so he could have had a better ground game early on, if he wanted... but he didn't choose to focus on it early enough, so he suffered those losses!
Those losses are nobody else's fault, except his own tbf...
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Floyd via DQEyes Down Field wrote: »
McGregor coming out swinging, throwing wild punches, would be absolute suicide. Floyd will destroy him with counter punches, cracking him with that left hook, straight right. If that's his plan, Conor will be lucky to last a round.
I think Rory Mac is right. Conor will be cautious, he's not stupid, he won't come out swinging. But he will be coming forward. He'll swing wildly if Floyd backs anywhere near the ropes but he'll eat counters. Floyd won't win this in round one two or three but he'll set the foundations. Mc will begin to gas from swinging and taking counters in round 3/4, and from then on, it's up to Floyd. I don't think it will go the distance but I also don't think Floyd will over do himself either. He's 40 after all.
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