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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

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  • #4712
    hbhook
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭hbhook


    Floyd via DQ
    I expect for the sky to turn red and the four horsemen to appear if CMcG beats Floyd Mayweather.


  • #4713
    akelly02
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭akelly02


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    I'm starting to think it could actually happen that he knocks mayweather out..I'm goin mad ted


  • #4714
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Floyd via DQ
    scudzilla wrote: »
    When Conor wins this what sort of excuses will the boxing experts here be coming out with? Serious question, i believe Conor will win in 2, i just want to be forewarned of the excuses

    Is boxing experts supposed to elicit a wind up in posters here?

    Would you be riled up in the MMA forum by being posed a question as an "MMA Expert" or in the Cork forum as a "Cork Expert"?

    Or is it just supposed to be passive aggressive confrontational crap?

    I ask because you have posed a "serious question" either in an insulting way in your mind, or a confrontational way in your mind. What is the merit of either approach?

    You don't need to be forewarned, there will be no excuses. Not a staph infection in sight ;)

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #4715
    ThinkProgress
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭ThinkProgress


    Floyd via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    I didn't get that in the clip...

    He could barely get a boxer's name out of his mouth when asked who he admired...

    Well, obviously he has been fairly obsessed with MMA for quite a while now... Because that's where he makes his bread.

    But, I just don't buy into this idea that he disrespects the sport of boxing (unlike some of his fanboy followers)... I could quite easily see him walking away from MMA completely, if he had a dispute with Dana/UFC. That's a huge part of the reason why this fight is happening... he wants more control over his career, and larger earnings! Boxing gives him both!

    The UFC markets itself as an alternative to boxing... superior to boxing. This is why you get so many blow-in/casual fans disrespecting boxing. They see MMA as the future of combat sports, and boxing as the past. But I don't think Conor sees it that way... Quite the opposite actually... I think he sees that there are very few huge fights left for him in the UFC, because there really is a lack of credible big name contenders, that could sell huge PPV numbers.

    Boxing potentially has more of those huge paydays... so I think he'll go where the gravy train is!

    I think he really needs to train full time in boxing, if wants any hope of sustaining some kind of run in the sport. Training and competing in two different sports, just won't work imo! (but perhaps he just wants 1 or 2 more huge paydays, and then he'll ride off into the sunset with his big pot of gold) ;)


  • #4716
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,450 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    12gauge dave wrote: »
    The lack of respect for boxing at the highest level is what has suprised me most in the lead up to this.

    As well as a clear ignorance and not not having much clue about what is needed in the sport to be great, or in Conor's case even half decent!

    It's clear because people are actually using as a reason for their McGregor KO pick: He's so confident...

    You press them a little on it and nothing comes back..

    You even remind them what the situation is and still, "yeh, but he's so confident."

    It's absolute bonkers stuff...


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  • #4717
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Draw
    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    Boxing potentially has more of those huge paydays... so I think he'll go where the gravy train is!

    I really don't think it does tbh. There was only ever 1 payday. This interlude is a Mayweather venture, not a boxing venture.
    Sure top boxers get paid more than top MMA fighters generally. But Conor is a outlier within MMA, among the highest earning sports stars in the world. Who earned more last year in the UFC than Canelo - the highest earner in boxing.
    Mayweather money is in its own stratosphere. And was the only fight that would have made this happen.


  • #4718
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,796 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    12gauge dave wrote: »
    The lack of respect for boxing at the highest level is what has suprised me most in the lead up to this.

    A lot of people don't understand the difference. They just think its all "fighting".


  • #4719
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    There is no other fight in boxing that will make it worthwhile for him . Dont forget UFC take a big cut aswel . Mayweather was the only one that made sense

    Plus after this fight there probably wont be any appetite to see him box again.


  • #4720
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    There is no other fight in boxing that will make it worthwhile for him . Dont forget UFC take a big cut aswel . Mayweather was the only one that made sense

    Plus after this fight there probably wont be any appetite to see him box again.

    McGregor brought the UFC and Dana White on board with this fight, he could have done reduced them to an also ran but there is enough fat to go around and it surely will be expected to be returned when it goes back to the MMA.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we see McGregor running/owning (a share anyway) the UFC in years to come.


  • #4721
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman


    Floyd via DQ
    Danzy wrote: »
    McGregor brought the UFC and Dana White on board with this fight, he could have done reduced them to an also ran but there is enough fat to go around and it surely will be expected to be returned when it goes back to the MMA.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we see McGregor running/owning (a share anyway) the UFC in years to come.

    Now McGregor's going to run the UFC ..

    Just after he Ko's Floyd right?


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  • #4722
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Danzy wrote: »
    McGregor brought the UFC and Dana White on board with this fight, he could have done reduced them to an also ran but there is enough fat to go around and it surely will be expected to be returned when it goes back to the MMA.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we see McGregor running/owning (a share anyway) the UFC in years to come.

    No . They brought him on board for this fight . He is their employee and contracted to them.


  • #4723
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Floyd via DQ
    Danzy wrote: »
    McGregor brought the UFC and Dana White on board with this fight, he could have done reduced them to an also ran but there is enough fat to go around and it surely will be expected to be returned when it goes back to the MMA.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we see McGregor running/owning (a share anyway) the UFC in years to come.

    That's just not true though, McGregor could not have this event without express permission and support from the UFC.

    I would think there are some sort of rules preventing him from having shares in the company while competing but open to correction, when he retires? Sure, they often give jobs to former employees

    As of now he is an employee of the UFC and they are taking their share of his purse in this event they allowed him to participate in.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #4724
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,796 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    The UFC has officially nothing to do with this fight. The NAC meeting today re the glove size, ref, judges etc is also about UFC being an official co promoter of the fight. Always amazed me how late they leave these things. Neither boxer has been even granted a license yet.

    As it stands, Mayweather Promotions is the only official promoter. If UFC are granted co promotion - which will happen - they'll pay McGregor. Not the other way around. UFC only filed their application last week.


  • #4725
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Draw
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    No . They brought him on board for this fight . He is their employee and contracted to them.
    No he isn't.
    It's a boxing match, and as such it falls under the remit of the Ali act.


  • #4726
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,450 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Mellor wrote: »
    No he isn't.
    It's a boxing match, and as such it falls under the remit of the Ali act.

    I think so. He is a licenced boxer now, so the Ali act should protect him in seeking a boxing match with another licenced boxer, or similar to that set up.

    All depends on the UFC contract and how much influence and control it has over Conor, and can the UFC contract outweigh the boxing licence...

    All wheeling and dealing really....sure what else would it be with pro boxing.


  • #4727
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman


    Floyd via DQ
    Mellor wrote: »
    No he isn't.
    It's a boxing match, and as such it falls under the remit of the Ali act.

    Whats all the bluster about his UFC contract not allowing him to fight outside of the UFC without their consent? A contract regarding the $$ had to be drawn up with the UFC to allow him to fight Mayweather as far as I could make out but nothing is very clear with the UFC with regards to contracts and money.


  • #4728
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Mellor wrote: »
    No he isn't.
    It's a boxing match, and as such it falls under the remit of the Ali act.


    So he could fight Floyd without the permission of the UFC ?


  • #4729
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,796 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Sweet Science wrote: »
    So he could fight Floyd without the permission of the UFC ?

    No. He has 4 fights left on his UFC contract.

    Although Im sure he could've pulled it off, just with difficulty.


  • #4730
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Draw
    walshb wrote: »
    I think so. He is a licenced boxer now, so the Ali act should protect him in seeking a boxing match with another licenced boxer, or similar to that set up.

    All depends on the UFC contract and how much influence and control it has over Conor, and can the UFC contract outweigh the boxing licence...

    All wheeling and dealing really....sure what else would it be with pro boxing.
    It's not just the licence though, it's a federal act. Cant imagine any contract allows the UFC to break federal laws. I believe he could have flew sole if he wanted to.

    But said, if Conor did try to do it solo. There's a chance some futile legal proceedings from the UFC would tie it up long enough to let the window close. And he'd definitely get shafted in his MMA career.

    He used the Ali act as a bargaining chip in negotiations. But it makes sense to let them have their share, in order to maintain future prospects imo.


  • #4731
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,450 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Mellor wrote: »
    It's not just the licence though, it's a federal act. Cant imagine any contract allows the UFC to break federal laws. I believe he could have flew sole if he wanted to.

    I am with you, but these acts are federal in name a lot of the time. When it comes to enforcing them that is when there are issues and loopholes and arguments and deals being done...

    There is always ambiguity where laws and acts are. Some have a ridiculous amount of ambiguity, and reading up on the Ali Act tells me that...

    Conor at present looks to be in a good position as regards his licences and the Ali Act..


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  • #4732
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Mellor wrote: »
    It's not just the licence though, it's a federal act. Cant imagine any contract allows the UFC to break federal laws. I believe he could have flew sole if he wanted to.

    But said, if Conor did try to do it solo. There's a chance some futile legal proceedings from the UFC would tie it up long enough to let the window close. And he'd definitely get shafted in his MMA career.

    He used the Ali act as a bargaining chip in negotiations. But it makes sense to let them have their share, in order to maintain future prospects imo.


    Yes so in other words they allowed Conor to box in return for a hefty chunk of his cut.


  • #4733
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Draw
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    So he could fight Floyd without the permission of the UFC ?
    In a nutshell:
    Section 10 of the Ali Act states that no promoter is permitted to have a contract with a boxer that has clauses preventing the boxer from participating in a professional boxing match against another boxer under contract.


  • #4734
    Erik Shin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Erik Shin


    Floyd via DQ
    I see Pacman doesn't rate McGregor's chances too much


  • #4735
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    He still came to an agreement with the UFC for this boxing match . Technically he didnt get their permission but come on we all know this wouldnt have happened without their say so.


  • #4736
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,450 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Erik Shin wrote: »
    I see Pacman doesn't rate McGregor's chances too much

    Some MMA/Conor fans will interpret that as him being a hater!


  • #4737
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Floyd via DQ
    Dana & Co see this as more than just what is made in cash terms......... as it's being used as a launching pad for Zuffa Boxing.

    Two posts from today alone:


    https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1-W2cAz76/
    https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/897728692633444352


  • #4738
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Dana & Co see this as more than just what is made in cash terms......... as it's being used as a launching pad for Zuffa Boxing.

    Two posts from today alone:


    https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1-W2cAz76/
    https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/897728692633444352


    I cant access the link but they are loking to get into boxing ?


  • #4739
    Makayla Elegant Lumberyard
    Posts: 0 ✭ Makayla Elegant Lumberyard


    Conor via DQ
    Does anyone know approx how many seats are sold for the upcoming fight so far?


  • #4740
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Draw
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    Yes so in other words they allowed Conor to box in return for a hefty chunk of his cut.
    No. They legally can't prevent him from signing a contract to fight anyone in boxing.
    I'm saying he cut them in as it made sense not to railroad his MMA career (where the Act doesn't apply)


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  • #4741
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Mellor wrote: »
    No. They legally can't prevent him from signing a contract to fight anyone in boxing.
    I'm saying he cut them in as it made sense not to railroad his MMA career (where the Act doesn't apply)


    I think its naive to think the fight could/would of happened without him coming to an agreement with the UFC. Conor wouldnt of been willing to railroad his MMA career for an extra 50million ? They also would of dragged this thorugh the legal system out of spite and dragged it out for years . Conor knew they would play hardball if he tried cut them out so had no option but to come to an agreement


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