Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

hbhook · 16-08-2017 09:44PM

Floyd via DQ

HattrickNZ wrote: »

saw that he seemed very defensive in alot of his answers. is he normally like that?

eh, he's usually like that in those type of interviews from what I've seen. He's in a difficult spot too. On the one hand he wants to say ''I win easy''..on the other...

HattrickNZ · 16-08-2017 09:56PM

yeah understand re the selling the fight talk. I think he plays that pretty well. "on paper macgregor could win, age, more active, ....anything can happen in a fight ... blah blah blah"
Granted I havent seen many of his interviews, and don't personally think he is that interesting to listen to, but he seems more confident in other interviews. Here he jsut seemed defensive in his answers. for example the strip club part where he was asked "And you don't have to give lapdances" he took it to mean "get lapdances".
Probs over analysing it. just thought it was interesting. Need to get batman to give us a body language study on it

Gamebred · 16-08-2017 09:57PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

walshb wrote: »

Floyd is a waffler. Speaks but says nothing. I have always found his interviews odd. Nothing easy, relaxed, natural or just plain normal.

the best is when hes asked a question about anything could be boxing related or whatever but he somehow manages to go on a 5 minute talk about his smart investments post boxing and monthly earnings.

hbhook · 16-08-2017 10:49PM

Floyd via DQ

Yeah, it's kind of a silly topic but when he was doing the Q&A last week when he got defensive over some suggestion that Mc thought he was, idk, better than him or some ****, then he got defensive and brought out the street-talk I guess you could say. When he slows it down and tries to be proper is when it seems put on and uncomfortable. Listen to his aul lad. He's gas. Hasn't been asked to spit some rhymes yet!!

Eyes Down Field · 16-08-2017 10:53PM

Floyd via DQ

Gamebred wrote: »

the best is when hes asked a question about anything could be boxing related or whatever but he somehow manages to go on a 5 minute talk about his smart investments post boxing and monthly earnings.

They are factory answers to the same questions he is asked over and over again. He is very careful in this situation not to talk himself up too much and not to talk down McGregor too much. You'll notice on this bulid up hasn't once bragged about how he beat Canelo, Cotto or Pacquiao, Instead he refers to the money generate. He doesn't talk about how he fights or how McGregor doesn't compare to anyone he has faced

Floyd's aim is to convince as many people as possible that McGregor has a chance, so they buy the PPV. It's about business. Floyd takes care of business outside the ring first and then takes care of business inside the ring.

This fight is no different.

gilmour · 16-08-2017 11:02PM

Floyd via DQ

Floyd is a really strange cookie, both the Pretty Boy and Money characters that he played were flash, loud, controversial **** talkers (Money harder to stomach) but when he's away from the cameras or at least not in the process of selling a fight he actually comes across as almost introverted and insecure.

The best interviews i have seen of him in terms of understanding his character are the old fighthype videos from years back (if you can get past the insufferable ball washing interviewer called Ben who gets the closest access of any media to him), post fight videos just talking about life and at times he just gives the impression of a man who never had a childhood and that the limelight gets to him. But then immediately following that he will completely contradict himself by talking about how many cars he has in Miami, almost as if he needs to make sure you dont forget how rich he is.

Good example of the above is the interview he gave a couple of hours after beating Canelo and going to McDonalds.

Eyes Down Field · 16-08-2017 11:02PM

Floyd via DQ

HattrickNZ wrote: »

saw that he seemed very defensive in alot of his answers. is he normally like that?

It's vintage Mayweather. You very rarely see Floyd talking down the ability of his opponent. It's not his style. Floyd wants you to think his opponent could potentially beat him. If he wanted, there is tonnes of material there to completely rip McGregor on his pure lack of boxing skills. But Floyd won't do it. He has even gone to the point of defending Conor from critisim. When asked about Conor's 3 defeats, Floyd says, "He's undefeated standing up"

It's all about business.

StringerBell · 16-08-2017 11:20PM

Floyd via DQ

Yeah the he's undefeated standing up comment was hilarious tbh. It was then surely the penny dropped with anybody still uncertain of just how much of a mismatch this is, when you see an opponent pull some proper mental gymnastic **** to make his adversary seem better.

ThinkProgress · 16-08-2017 11:45PM

Floyd via DQ

Yeah, I clearly remember Nate clipping him standing...

Only for the panic wrestling, he would possibly have been finished standing! (and that's saying something considering the calibre of Diaz's boxing, compared with Floyd's)

Floyd is undefeated on the ground... maybe that's the angle for the re-match? :P

Gamebred · 16-08-2017 11:54PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

In fairness hes never been dropped, hes been rocked once and that was by Diaz in the first fight, he has never been in trouble before or since that fight which is unheard of in mma and combat in general.

Eyes Down Field · 16-08-2017 11:57PM

Floyd via DQ

gilmour wrote: »

Floyd is a really strange cookie, both the Pretty Boy and Money characters that he played were flash, loud, controversial **** talkers (Money harder to stomach) but when he's away from the cameras or at least not in the process of selling a fight he actually comes across as almost introverted and insecure.

The best interviews i have seen of him in terms of understanding his character are the old fighthype videos from years back (if you can get past the insufferable ball washing interviewer called Ben who gets the closest access of any media to him), post fight videos just talking about life and at times he just gives the impression of a man who never had a childhood and that the limelight gets to him. But then immediately following that he will completely contradict himself by talking about how many cars he has in Miami, almost as if he needs to make sure you dont forget how rich he is.

Good example of the above is the interview he gave a couple of hours after beating Canelo and going to McDonalds.

It's no secret Floyd has played a character for most of his boxing career, From "Pretty Boy Floyd" to "Money Mayweather" It's all in the name of the business of boxing.

The facade disappears when the first bell rings and Floyd goes to his amazing boxing skillset, and gets the job done.

Floyd doesn't even really celebrate his victory's, After a fight he usually goes home to relax, No partying, No drinking nothing like that. He''ll go to McDonald's at 5 in the morning after a fight and eat a bunch of junk food.

There are definitely insecurities there. Which probably stem from his upbringing in Grand Rapids, Michigan. A mother who was addicted to drugs, and a father who, when not in prison, would work him like a dog in the boxing gym, Floyd would run on the streets for miles while his dad drove along in a car, It was none stop relentless training everyday.

He didn't have a normal childhood or teenage years, He was always training or competing, Boxing was all he knew and he probably never got the chance to develop some basic social skills. I don't think the man has many true friends, everyone around him is either a direct employee, someone who has their hands in his pockets or some random celebrity. And because of his fame he can't go anywhere, he feels he needs constant security around him.

There is a price to fame and It can be very lonely at the top, All the cars, houses and money in the world can't give him back what he lost or what was taken from him.

sc86 · 17-08-2017 12:04AM

Conor via DQ

wait till artem lobov fights ggg

artem goat lobov

ThinkProgress · 17-08-2017 12:27AM

Floyd via DQ

Gamebred wrote: »

In fairness hes never been dropped, hes been rocked once and that was by Diaz in the first fight, he has never been in trouble before or since that fight which is unheard of in mma and combat in general.

Being rocked by Nate Diaz ain't exactly impressive though!

I'm quite certain that fight, in particular, is what convinced Floyd to make this thing happen... if Nate can do that to Conor, what can Floyd do to him??

Being undefeated standing up in MMA, is a load of BS anyway... the sport has more than one way to get finished. Being submitted is getting finished. Trying to separate different types of finishes, in order to make your record appear more impressive, is nonsense!

Floyd is only doing it to sell the fight... that's his excuse. No excuse for anyone else doing it. Just looks weak...

wonderfullife · 17-08-2017 01:05AM

Conor via KO-TKO

pac_man wrote: »

Sounds like an interesting move. It will be interesting to see what effect it has on boxing. On the one hand it means more competition but on the other it means more politics?

Have the Zuffa company come out with how they are going to attack the market or is this still a concept that's in it's infancy?

It's been lots of subtle hints so far from Dana White on what they're actually going to do but there was some serious talk behind the scenes of Jimi Manuwa (UFC 205lb fighter) fighting David Haye. That went by the wayside because Jimi got KO'd in his last UFC fight.

The thing WME-IMG are famous for cross-promotion and using multiple platforms in the entertainment world, so I can see why they might want to crossover into boxing. I think we'll see the first Zuffa Boxing promoted cards in 2018 anyway.

Sweet Science wrote: »

I seen spinning attacks being mentioned for Conor to try. Fairytale stuff. This isnt Mortal Kombat

That was Kenny Florian who suggested that, who is a pretty level-headed analyst and former elite UFC-fighter.

What he meant (I think) was spinning entries. For example, Conor faints a kick and spins into a different angle.

Kenny expects Conor to throw a lot of kick-faints (perfectly legal), a lot of jumping techniques (perfectly legal) and some capoeira tecnhiques (again, legal).

This fight is going to look like a joke to you guys who follow boxing. Conor is going to be doing some crazy sh1t in there. It'll remain a joke UNLESS he connects and KO's Floyd and at that stage the joke is on you.

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Being rocked by Nate Diaz ain't exactly impressive though!

Are you kidding me? 24 opponents throwing punches in 4oz gloves, kicks, elbows, knees at his head and he was only rocked once in 24 contests and never been dropped?

That's not impressive?

Floyd has been rocked multiple times in his career and technically speaking dropped before, he put his hand down after that punch and the ref missed it. Conor has been rocked once, NEVER dropped and that's against multiple unpadded weapons like elbows and kicks.

It's seriously impressive the chin on BOTH men and to say otherwise is craziness. They both have granite chins.

marcus001 · 17-08-2017 02:09AM

I don't know if Conor was rocked against Diaz. I think he was just tired. He came out swinging from the start, he was heavier than usual and sloppy with his preparation. He was throwing mad kicks and gassed himself early. He came out for the rematch and he really focused on conserving energy. Their mantra for the fight was "energy is currency". I think they're going to go in like that against Floyd. Anyone looking for Conor to go all out from the bell I think will be disappointed. I'd say Conor plans on going 12 rounds. It's the best outcome for him really, to stay in the game until late on. Gassing early would really hurt his brand. Going 12 rounds and losing would be a victory for him.

Mellor · 17-08-2017 04:41AM

Draw

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Being undefeated standing up in MMA, is a load of BS anyway... the sport has more than one way to get finished. Being submitted is getting finished. Trying to separate different types of finishes, in order to make your record appear more impressive, is nonsense! ...

It's a fairly standard method of analysis tbh.

Never been submitted, never been knocked out, majority of losses by submission/KO, etc.
These are the most basic pieces of info you'd look at in a fighter's record when assessing a fight. Beyond that you might look at specifics of individual wins/losses.

As an example. Damien Maia is the best jiu jitsu fighter in MMA today. He's 6 or so losses on his record. But he's never been submitted. Treating all his MMA losses equally in terms of assessing his ability is pointless - especially in the context of assessing his grappling ability specifically.

It's of course not at absolute measure. Some submissions are initiated a striking exchanges. And some knocks out come from grappling positions. But it's flat out wrong to say it's nonsense to separate striking and grappling finishes. Ironically, most would consider that statement to be nonsense.

marcus001 wrote: »

I don't know if Conor was rocked against Diaz. I think he was just tired. He came out swinging from the start, he was heavier than usual and sloppy with his preparation. He was throwing mad kicks and gassed himself early. He came out for the rematch and he really focused on conserving energy. Their mantra for the fight was "energy is currency". I think they're going to go in like that against Floyd. Anyone looking for Conor to go all out from the bell I think will be disappointed. I'd say Conor plans on going 12 rounds. It's the best outcome for him really, to stay in the game until late on. Gassing early would really hurt his brand. Going 12 rounds and losing would be a victory for him.

He was clearly stunned a little. He tried to press forward to defend, with a badly timed shot, instead of just getting out of there.
Contrast with the rematch where he did a much better job of controlling those spots by retreating.

It's easy to say something that led to s finish was a bad move. Had he passed to side control and rode the round out would people have the same opinion, probably not.

Had he stayed standing would he have been finished? Maybe, maybe not. Nobody can say for sure.

ThinkProgress · 17-08-2017 07:44AM

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

This fight is going to look like a joke to you guys who follow boxing. Conor is going to be doing some crazy sh1t in there. It'll remain a joke UNLESS he connects and KO's Floyd and at that stage the joke is on you.

I follow both sports, and this "fight" is a joke to me... for very obvious and clear reasons!

The fact that some people are too blinkered, to see the wood from the trees, just makes it all the more amusing to me!

"kicking feints"... lol... seriously dude, will you get a grip of reality! Are you 12 years old? This is not some game on your XBox... boxing is no joke! And Floyd Mayweather inside a boxing ring, is certainly no joke!!

That's not impressive?

I will repeat for the hard of hearing... being rocked by NATE DIAZ is not very impressive to me. Because Nate Diaz is not a top fighter!

Nate Diaz would never rock Floyd in a million years in a stand-up fight... He's nowhere near good enough.

So if Nate Diaz can have Conor doing the chicken dance, after a simple basic punch combo... then what the f*** is Floyd going to do to him in there??

marcus001 wrote: »

I don't know if Conor was rocked against Diaz.

He certainly was rocked... badly rocked.

He was so badly rocked, that he was shooting for a takedown, against a guy with much better ground skills... that's not something you do unless you're in real bad shape!

All from a simple punch combo.

Mellor wrote: »

It's a fairly standard method of analysis tbh.

Never been submitted, never been knocked out, majority of losses by submission/KO, etc.
These are the most basic pieces of info you'd look at in a fighter's record when assessing a fight. Beyond that you might look at specifics of individual wins/losses.

As an example. Damien Maia is the best jiu jitsu fighter in MMA today. He's 6 or so losses on his record. But he's never been submitted. Treating all his MMA losses equally in terms of assessing his ability is pointless - especially in the context of assessing his grappling ability specifically.

It's BS Mellor... people like to separate Conor's submission losses from his stand-up performances, because they want to make his record appear more impressive! (exactly what Floyd is doing to try sell this fight)

The reality, is that Conor has been finished X3 times in his MMA career thus far... and none of those finishes were against top elite fighters.

Diaz is obviously the best fighter to finish Conor... but he's still not a top fighter in the UFC... he's just a 32 year old journeyman, that has been in the company for 10 years now, and never won a belt!

Damien Maia is a poor all-round MMA fighter... he doesn't have the all-round skillset to become one of the top fighters in the sport.

It's ironic that so many MMA fanboys like to talk about MMA being complete fighting... yet you have those same people drooling over someone like Maia, because of his BJJ skills... despite being poor in pretty much every other facet of his sport... lol... that's not complete fighting!! :pac:

Had he stayed standing would he have been finished? Maybe, maybe not. Nobody can say for sure.

The only reason he might not have got finished on the feet, is because Nate Diaz lacks the high level stand-up skills, to finish guys on the feet.

That would be the only reason I could see... because he was clearly in a very bad way, after a simple punch combo from an average journeyman UFC fighter, with very overrated boxing skills!

Even in the 2nd fight, he was getting gassed out at roughly the exact same point again, just like in the 1st fight.... except this time, he got on his bike and ran away. (obviously with the memory of that 1st fight very fresh in his mind)

Plenty of people got hoodwinked into believing that Conor had improved his cardio from the 1st fight... especially with all the gimmicky training programs he was pedalling on his website. But the reality, is that he gassed out at roughly the same point in the 2nd fight... but he had the experience to fight a bit smarter!

What is he going to do against Floyd, when he starts breathing heavy after 1 or 2 rounds in there...??? Is he going to run away from Floyd too??

If he is gassing against Nate Diaz... he is absolutely going to be gassing against someone like Floyd. He can do all the rowing and desert biking he wants... he simply does not have the requisite time, in order to bridge that giant gap in physical conditioning between himself and Floyd!

Floyd is the kind freak athlete, who walks out of a vegas restaurant in the early hours of the morning, and decides to knock out 10 miles of road work for the sake of it... like it's nothing to him! Because it really IS nothing to him... he is one of the best conditioned boxers in the history of the sport.

Even at 40... Floyd is on a different planet to Conor, in terms of boxing conditioning. It's not even close in this regard. And I think this will be a big part of his gameplan during this fight... I think he plans on putting Conor under a lot of physical stress in there from the opening bell. He will make this a very fast fight, and really test Conor's lungs from the very beginning!

Conor is going to come up short in that physical test... just like he's going to come up very short in the skills department too! He's going to bury Conor with his workrate in there... he'll start to gas out and begin to drown under the speed of this fight... and then he's going to get taken apart with superior boxing skills!

It's going to be very difficult viewing. It's going to look very embarrassing, and very one-sided. I just hope that Conor's corner have the good sense to pull their man out, before it gets too ugly!

wonderfullife · 17-08-2017 08:31AM

Conor via KO-TKO

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I follow both sports, and this "fight" is a joke to me... for very obvious and clear reasons!

The fact that some people are too blinkered, to see the wood from the trees, just makes it all the more amusing to me!

"kicking feints"... lol... seriously dude, will you get a grip of reality! Are you 12 years old? This is not some game on your XBox... boxing is no joke! And Floyd Mayweather inside a boxing ring, is certainly no joke!!

You clearly don't know the first thing about combat sports if you don't think never being dropped in 24 contests and 49 contests respectively is impressive. A combined 73 fights and neither man was dropped.

You're spouting waffle. They both have granite chins and it's extremely impressive neither man has been dropped.

I wasn't the one who suggested "kicking faints", Kenny Florian did that and he knows a damn sight more than you about Conor, MMA and combat sports. It's literally his job to analyse fighting and he's fought in the UFC at the very highest level for titles.

Head over to his twitter and tell him he's a clueless 12-year-old...

ThinkProgress · 17-08-2017 08:47AM

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

You clearly don't know the first thing about combat sports if you don't think never being dropped in 24 contests and 49 contests respectively is impressive. A combined 73 fights and neither man was dropped.

I know that Nate Diaz is not a top fighter...

I know that Nate Diaz is not a heavy hitter...

I know that Nate Diaz does not have high level boxing skills...

I know that Conor got rocked, and almost finished on the feet, by a journeyman fighter who lacks punching power/lacks boxing skills/ and has never won a UFC belt in the 10 years he's been fighting in the UFC!

So, I know plenty!

You're spouting waffle.

A quote like this, is always amusing coming from someone with your illustrious record in that department!

I wasn't the one who suggested "kicking faints", Kenny Florian did that and he knows a damn sight more than you about Conor, MMA and combat sports. It's literally his job to analyse fighting and he's fought in the UFC at the very highest level for titles.

It's also his job to hype and sell fights... and back the fighter from his own sport... just like that other clown Brendan Schaub! (who's opinion I also summarily dismiss, as absolute horse-apples!!)

Head over to his twitter and tell him he's a clueless 12-year-old...

You're the 12 year... you're the one, who appears to be swallowing every single bit of BS around this "fight"... they have bought and sold you several times over... YOU are their target audience, with this kind of rubbish!

Why would I waste my time on Twatter?? I leave that stuff, for the less enlightened folks... again, because that is the target audience of most nonsense on Twatter!!

Sweet Science · 17-08-2017 08:48AM

Conor on points

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's been lots of subtle hints so far from Dana White on what they're actually going to do but there was some serious talk behind the scenes of Jimi Manuwa (UFC 205lb fighter) fighting David Haye. That went by the wayside because Jimi got KO'd in his last UFC fight.

The thing WME-IMG are famous for cross-promotion and using multiple platforms in the entertainment world, so I can see why they might want to crossover into boxing. I think we'll see the first Zuffa Boxing promoted cards in 2018 anyway.

That was Kenny Florian who suggested that, who is a pretty level-headed analyst and former elite UFC-fighter.

What he meant (I think) was spinning entries. For example, Conor faints a kick and spins into a different angle.

Kenny expects Conor to throw a lot of kick-faints (perfectly legal), a lot of jumping techniques (perfectly legal) and some capoeira tecnhiques (again, legal).

This fight is going to look like a joke to you guys who follow boxing. Conor is going to be doing some crazy sh1t in there. It'll remain a joke UNLESS he connects and KO's Floyd and at that stage the joke is on you.

Are you kidding me? 24 opponents throwing punches in 4oz gloves, kicks, elbows, knees at his head and he was only rocked once in 24 contests and never been dropped?

That's not impressive?

Floyd has been rocked multiple times in his career and technically speaking dropped before, he put his hand down after that punch and the ref missed it. Conor has been rocked once, NEVER dropped and that's against multiple unpadded weapons like elbows and kicks.

It's seriously impressive the chin on BOTH men and to say otherwise is craziness. They both have granite chins.

If he has success i'll be the first to praise him . It seems like a fantasy though .

17-08-2017 08:58AM

McGregor will win =, it will draw out to about round 6 or more to make it look good, but he will win. Then wait 2 months for Mayweather to announce he wants a rematch, along with lots of mcgregor saying no for months.

All building up to another fight for more money.

mcGregor and Mayweather get to retire with an extra 100M in the bank. Its what i would do.

walshb · 17-08-2017 09:41AM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Skyrimaddict wrote: »

Its what i would do.

But not what Floyd will do....

RoryMac · 17-08-2017 10:18AM

Floyd via DQ

marcus001 wrote: »

I don't know if Conor was rocked against Diaz. I think he was just tired. He came out swinging from the start, he was heavier than usual and sloppy with his preparation. He was throwing mad kicks and gassed himself early. He came out for the rematch and he really focused on conserving energy. Their mantra for the fight was "energy is currency". I think they're going to go in like that against Floyd. Anyone looking for Conor to go all out from the bell I think will be disappointed. I'd say Conor plans on going 12 rounds. It's the best outcome for him really, to stay in the game until late on. Gassing early would really hurt his brand. Going 12 rounds and losing would be a victory for him.

I don't think McGregor will come out swinging wildly at Mayweather but his only chance of the win is to connect with a big shot. He's not going to outbox Mayweather and its a massive ask to expect him to win on points.

He'll be patient & wait for openings and when they come he'll try to unload on Mayweather. The problem will I think he'll miss with most and the others will likely connect with arms or shoulders. A few rounds in and I think he'll be gassing and Mayweather will finish him.

RoryMac · 17-08-2017 10:19AM

Floyd via DQ

Skyrimaddict wrote: »

McGregor will win =, it will draw out to about round 6 or more to make it look good, but he will win. Then wait 2 months for Mayweather to announce he wants a rematch, along with lots of mcgregor saying no for months.

All building up to another fight for more money.

mcGregor and Mayweather get to retire with an extra 100M in the bank. Its what i would do.

you think Mayweather will allow himself to be stopped in the fight???

Danzy · 17-08-2017 02:26PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Mayweather is not going to ruin his legacy, he is going to want to have the 50 - 0, the legend status, he is not going to tarnish that at the very end.

If he wins he'll make a lot of money as well, sponsorships etc etc etc.

wonderfullife · 17-08-2017 02:28PM

Conor via KO-TKO

Sweet Science wrote: »

If he has success i'll be the first to praise him . It seems like a fantasy though .

Why can't different techniques work? Just because traditional boxers don't use them in boxing doesn't mean they can't work.

Look at James Toney as Exhibit A. Ceferino Garcia Exhibit B.

Boxing has been around for over a century in something approaching the existing sport. In the very early days of boxing, depending which source you believe, some boxers used a variation of the Philly Shell defence.

For decades from 1910-1980 almost no prominent world champion consistently fought behind the shoulder-roll defence. Then James Toney comes along and executed it so brilliantly that it inspired a new generation of boxers (like Floyd) to use it as their primary defence. Ceferino Garcia decided he wasn't happy being restricted to his usual punches so he came up with the bolo punch. Wind up one hand, while landing the other hand.

If you had told professional boxers in the 1920's, 1950's, 1970's that the best boxer in the world would fight behind a Philly Shell defence and Sugar Ray Leonard would one day throw a bolo punch, they'd have laughed at you - very much in the same way some of you in here are mocking Conor if he has the audacity to try *different* things.

The bolo punch really should never land on a professional boxer but it often does land. Sure, it's not a hurtful punch but it still has some value in throwing it because it can agitate your opponent and disrupt their rhythm, timing and confidence.

I'm not telling you that Conor's weird/goofy gameplan is some genius plan nobody has ever thought of which will revolutionise boxing but I am telling you that it's very possible he's has some success with these martial-arts-based techniques because boxers are simply not used to seeing them.

Floyd can *know* all he wants that Conor isn't allowed throw a head kick, for example, but if Conor lifts his lead leg rapidly as if motioning towards throwing it, Floyd as a human being will react to it in some way, and the way most people react to it is to cover their head. It's 100% human nature to react and almost always the instinct is to protect your head - that frees up a target to the body.

The conventional wisdom in here is that Floyd will boss the exchanges at distance and that Conor needs to get in close. You all have it backwards in my view. Conor will have his best success at distance because he's used to throwing combinations from kicking range so effectively. Floyd will not be used to countering or attacking from a kicking distance so I expect we'll see Floyd missing a lot in Round 1.

I'll even go as far as to say Floyd's Round 1 & 2 Compubox punch stats will be among the worst in his career for accuracy.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 17-08-2017 02:38PM

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

Why can't different techniques work? Just because traditional boxers don't use them in boxing doesn't mean they can't work.

Look at James Toney as Exhibit A. Ceferino Garcia Exhibit B.

Boxing has been around for over a century in something approaching the existing sport. In the very early days of boxing, depending which source you believe, some boxers used a variation of the Philly Shell defence.

For decades from 1910-1980 almost no prominent world champion consistently fought behind the shoulder-roll defence. Then James Toney comes along and executed it so brilliantly that it inspired a new generation of boxers (like Floyd) to use it as their primary defence. Ceferino Garcia decided he wasn't happy being restricted to his usual punches so he came up with the bolo punch. Wind up one hand, while landing the other hand.

If you had told professional boxers in the 1920's, 1950's, 1970's that the best boxer in the world would fight behind a Philly Shell defence and Sugar Ray Leonard would one day throw a bolo punch, they'd have laughed at you - very much in the same way some of you in here are mocking Conor if he has the audacity to try *different* things.

The bolo punch really should never land on a professional boxer but it often does land. Sure, it's not a hurtful punch but it still has some value in throwing it because it can agitate your opponent and disrupt their rhythm, timing and confidence.

I'm not telling you that Conor's weird/goofy gameplan is some genius plan nobody has ever thought of which will revolutionise boxing but I am telling you that it's very possible he's has some success with these martial-arts-based techniques because boxers are simply not used to seeing them.

Floyd can *know* all he wants that Conor isn't allowed throw a head kick, for example, but if Conor lifts his lead leg rapidly as if motioning towards throwing it, Floyd as a human being will react to it in some way, and the way most people react to it is to cover their head. It's 100% human nature to react and almost always the instinct is to protect your head - that frees up a target to the body.

The conventional wisdom in here is that Floyd will boss the exchanges at distance and that Conor needs to get in close. You all have it backwards in my view. Conor will have his best success at distance because he's used to throwing combinations from kicking range so effectively. Floyd will not be used to countering or attacking from a kicking distance so I expect we'll see Floyd missing a lot in Round 1.

I'll even go as far as to say Floyd's Round 1 & 2 Compubox punch stats will be among the worst in his career for accuracy.

You are completely delusional. You think McGregor is going to lift his leg? Mayweather's accuracy is going to suffer in round 1 and 2? Jeez there is no hope!

Your initial read of this fight was that Mayweather would knock McGregor out in the 9th a TKO. Then you went to a straight KO by McGregor and now your thinking McGregor by decision.You've basically eaten every little bit of promotiional work that McGregor and Mayweather have put out.

It's incredible really.

walshb · 17-08-2017 02:40PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

wonderfullife wrote: »

The conventional wisdom in here is that Floyd will boss the exchanges at distance and that Conor needs to get in close. You all have it backwards in my view. Conor will have his best success at distance because he's used to throwing combinations from kicking range so effectively. Floyd will not be used to countering or attacking from a kicking distance so I expect we'll see Floyd missing a lot in Round 1.

Well, you aren't speaking for me, as I have said that whatever chance Conor has from mid to long range, he has next to none up close-inside....He has not got the talent or mechanics to box/fight with Floyd in the pocket.

walshb · 17-08-2017 02:50PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

You are completely delusional. You think McGregor is going to lift his leg? Mayweather's accuracy is going to suffer in round 1 and 2? Jeez there is no hope!

Your initial read of this fight was that Mayweather would knock McGregor out in the 9th a TKO. Then you went to a straight KO by McGregor and now your thinking McGregor by decision.You've basically eaten every little bit of promotiional work that McGregor and Mayweather have put out.

It's incredible really.

And as I said on the other thread I am not at all convinced that wonder really believes this. He's praying for the win in the hope that he gets some sort of respect and adulation for calling it.

Being clever. Flat out picking Conor to win and describing a few ways he'll do it. The praying it comes true. Knowing it really won't.

I just can't have faith in wonder's prediction when I read all his stuff, and all the changes he is making...

H even "believes" that Conor beats Canelo....

In other words, wonder, you aren't actually as clueless as some of your posts are leading us to believe.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 17-08-2017 02:58PM

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

And as I said on the other thread I am not at all convinced that wonder really believes this. He's praying for the win in the hope that he gets some sort of respect and adulation for calling it.

Being clever. Flat out picking Conor to win and describing a few ways he'll do it. The praying it comes true. Knowing it really won't.

I just can't have faith in wonder's prediction when I read all his stuff, and all the changes he is making...

H even "believes" that Conor beats Canelo....

In other words, wonder, you aren't actually as clueless as some of your posts are leading us to believe.

I must have missed that Canelo post. I'm glad I did to be honest.

Faking a kick to try to throw a punch would be suicide against Mayweather.

Where he had reasoned arguments a month ago his arguments have gotten worse and more outlandish so I think your probably spot on with the assessment above.

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