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The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,416 ✭✭✭Guffy


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    He doesn't needlessly go for the ball with one hand. I don't think I ever remember seeing him do that

    He did it at least twice, early last year, where it would have been just as easy to attempt the catch with 2 hands. Couldnt tell u against who but it was def early cause i didnt watch many giants games


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,828 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Looks like Titans TE Craig Stevens is going to un-retire. He retired last pre-season citing concerns about CTE, but guess he needs the money


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭letowski


    Ryan Matthews cut by Eagles, even though he was medically cleared.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,475 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    I could see the Giants taking a look at him...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Oh Ben lol

    yUIRFx6.jpg


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  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Luciano Embarrassed Drummer


    letowski wrote: »
    Ryan Matthews cut by Eagles, even though he was medically cleared.

    They've been waiting a few months for him to clear before cutting him it was more or less announced a while back


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    Zeke has appealed
    NFL said they're not releasing their conclusions on the six game ban imposed


  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Luciano Embarrassed Drummer


    brinty wrote: »
    Zeke has appealed
    NFL said they're not releasing their conclusions on the six game ban imposed

    It will be reduced. If I remember correctly Jerry jones has a family member heading the appeal board


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    It will be reduced. If I remember correctly Jerry jones has a family member heading the appeal board

    That can't be true.

    And is there even an appeal board in the first place? I thought it just goes back to Godell.

    (Or am I just missing a joke here?)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    That can't be true.

    And is there even an appeal board in the first place? I thought it just goes back to Godell.

    (Or am I just missing a joke here?)

    Yep apparently goes back to goddell
    And the prosecutor told him the girl involved was not credible and couldn't keep her story straight but roger still banned him


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,416 ✭✭✭Guffy


    brinty wrote: »
    Yep apparently goes back to goddell
    And the prosecutor told him the girl involved was not credible and couldn't keep her story straight but roger still banned him

    Surely something like this would come into play if a court apoeal was lodged. Or does the cba allow Godell to hand out whatever he feels like irregardless?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    The Elliott ban smacks of deflategate really. What it proves is that Goodell does whatever the fook Goodell wants and nobody will stop him. Innocent or Guilty or 50/50 doesn't matter Goodell will now suspend people at will even if there isnt any proof. Deflategate has become the template for suspensions now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,416 ✭✭✭Guffy


    TOss Sweep wrote: »
    The Elliott ban smacks of deflategate really. What it proves is that Goodell does whatever the fook Goodell wants and nobody will stop him. Innocent or Guilty or 50/50 doesn't matter Goodell will now suspend people at will even if there isnt any proof. Deflategate has become the template for suspensions now.

    I know its been said before but the next CBA will be interesting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    Guffy wrote: »
    Surely something like this would come into play if a court apoeal was lodged. Or does the cba allow Godell to hand out whatever he feels like irregardless?

    Effectively Goddell can do what he likes under the CBA and Zeke is getting this ban based on no credible evidence at all. Its something like bringing the game into disrepute and Goddell is judge jury and executioner
    TOss Sweep wrote: »
    The Elliott ban smacks of deflategate really. What it proves is that Goodell does whatever the fook Goodell wants and nobody will stop him. Innocent or Guilty or 50/50 doesn't matter Goodell will now suspend people at will even if there isnt any proof. Deflategate has become the template for suspensions now.

    You're quite right there sir. Hopefully the cowboys rebound from it like Tom and deflategate ;) Superbowl baby ;)
    Guffy wrote: »
    I know its been said before but the next CBA will be interesting.

    Absolutely the next CBA will be interesting. The two most powerful GM/ owners are Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft. Goddell has p155ed them both all the way off. I'd expect a very strong vote of no confidence to be expressed in mr roger...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Which specific parts of the multi-page justification for the ban are you lads disagreeing with?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman


    brinty wrote: »
    Yep apparently goes back to goddell
    And the prosecutor told him the girl involved was not credible and couldn't keep her story straight but roger still banned him

    "the Columbus prosecutor said to our investigators that he believed her and he believed that the injuries that she articulated to the Columbus DA's office were caused by Mr. Elliott. He just didn't believe he had sufficient evidence to prove the case based upon the criminal standard which as you know is beyond a reasonable doubt and that's the highest standard known to American law."

    So the prosecutor said she was not credible?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    The NFL gains nothing from banning Zeke. This is a disaster for them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    The NFL gains nothing from banning Zeke. This is a disaster for them.

    I think they're trying to get some of their credibility back after Ray Rice and the NY Giants kicker whose name I can't remember at the moment.

    They're trying to look like they're tough on DV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Josh Brown.

    They need to be tough on this issue (quite rightly) which is why they issued the guidance to the players and set the six game tariff but it's a terrible look for them that one of the biggest names in the sport is getting banned for a crime like this. It would have benefited Goddell and the League far more to sweep this one under the carpet pointing to any inconsistencies in the story and the fact that he wasn't charged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,475 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    I think they're trying to get some of their credibility back after Ray Rice and the NY Giants kicker whose name I can't remember at the moment.

    They're trying to look like they're tough on DV.

    Josh Brown. What a royal **** up that was.

    The actual report that mentions in more detail the incidents Zeke is getting banned for make it hard to argue against him receiving a ban. Yeah, its a bit hypocritical in light of previous incidents, but you like you said, they have to start clamping down at some stage.

    Deflategate this is not. It's highly disingenuous for people to claim it is, tbh. Although I'll be surprised if the ban isn't reduced a little.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭BizzyC


    Knex. wrote: »
    Deflategate this is not. It's highly disingenuous for people to claim it is, tbh. Although I'll be surprised if the ban isn't reduced a little.

    Disingenuous how? The only comparison I've seen made is regards to Goodell's power to impose punishment without the same level of evidence that would be required to settle any kind of criminal/civil case, which in this case is extremely similar.

    I do agree that a statement has to be made at some point to send a message regarding this type of behaviour.

    Anyone who watched Last Chance U saw the story of De'Andre Johnson, that kid had to go through more to rehab his image for College football than the NFL requires of its players for similar if not more severe instances of abuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman


    Can we nip this in the bud now and not bring up anything deflategate related at all?

    This is a domestic violence ban. Her word against his, she has evidence in terms of pictures and medical reports and Zeke is getting banned probably for 3-4 games after the appeal.

    For the Cowboys it might not be a big issue with Alfred Morris flying at the moment for Zeke it's an issue he'll have to get a handle on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    As a Giants fan I'd much rather see McFadden get the start over Alfred Morris. Morris always looks good when I see him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    Knex. wrote: »
    Deflategate this is not. It's highly disingenuous for people to claim it is, tbh. Although I'll be surprised if the ban isn't reduced a little.

    I brought up deflategate not to compare the incidents but to compare the NFLs handling of it. More so Goodells handling of the ban itself. As in innocent or guilty it doesn't matter we are banning you either way.

    We all agree domestic violence cases or any violent should be handled by the NFL correctly but what we have witnessed to date it not the proper handling of any case by the NFL. Right now we have a Commissioner doing what he wants at free will to try save face on certain fronts. There is no consistency at all and this ban for Zeke is not the start of the NFL clamping down. Like the ban handed to Tom Brady this is Goodell saying I have nothing on you and you wont give me evidence to help prove your evidence so I am banning you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    Can we nip this in the bud now and not bring up anything deflategate related at all?.

    Why though? We can't even reference it and how the NFL handled it? This is a message board and it will come up again especially given how the NFL is now trying to handle bans. In fact on the face of it they are two very different issues but yet look at the bans handed out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    TOss Sweep wrote: »
    I brought up deflategate not to compare the incidents but to compare the NFLs handling of it. More so Goodells handling of the ban itself. As in innocent or guilty it doesn't matter we are banning you either way.

    We all agree domestic violence cases or any violent should be handled by the NFL correctly but what we have witnessed to date it not the proper handling of any case by the NFL. Right now we have a Commissioner doing what he wants at free will to try save face on certain fronts. There is no consistency at all and this ban for Zeke is not the start of the NFL clamping down. Like the ban handed to Tom Brady this is Goodell saying I have nothing on you and you wont give me evidence to help prove your evidence so I am banning you.

    Again, which part of the six page explanation for the ban are you taking issue with? The NFL issued the NFLPA with guidance around player conduct and the likely length of bans in this situation.

    Any similarity with the Brady ban is down purely to the current mechanism for bans under the existing CBA.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    TOss Sweep wrote: »
    The Elliott ban smacks of deflategate really. What it proves is that Goodell does whatever the fook Goodell wants and nobody will stop him. Innocent or Guilty or 50/50 doesn't matter Goodell will now suspend people at will even if there isnt any proof. Deflategate has become the template for suspensions now.

    I'm no fan of Zeke Elliot but its seems far from clean cut that he was guilty.

    Its almost like the outrage from Pats fans at the injustice of Deflategate was justified except we were told to stop whinging and let it go :pac:
    First they came for the Socialists Saints, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist Saints fan.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists Patriots, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist Patriots fan.

    Then they came for the Jews Cowboys, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew Cowboy fan.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    Again, which part of the six page explanation for the ban are you taking issue with? The NFL issued the NFLPA with guidance around player conduct and the likely length of bans in this situation.

    Any similarity with the Brady ban is down purely to the current mechanism for bans under the existing CBA.

    I am not getting into the whole document but the only actual evidence anyone has of Zeke is the Paddys Day incident where he pulled down the womans shirt so by that alone he breaks the NFLs player policy.

    For the domestic case against his girlfriend they state themselves they need credible evidence that he broke player policy. If you read the evidence they have nothing points to credible and is why the cops could not do anything about it. This here is a problem. Realistically if Zeke Ex made it all up and he did nothing wrong then the NFL basically banned him for no reason as it would negate their Credible Evidence that established he broke the player conduct policy.
    Even when a player is not charged with a crime, ?he may still be found to have violated the policy if the credible evidence establishes that he engaged in conduct prohibited by this' Personal Conduct Policy. As the Policy states, is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. We are all held to a higher standard and must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, promotes the values of the NFL, and is lawful.?

    For what is worth have you read the player policy? It it as clear as mud in these situations and in fact basically says you dont have to be convicted of anything but if we feel you have you will be banned:
    Expectations and Standards of Conduct
    It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. We are all held to a higher standard
    and must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, promotes the values of the NFL, and is lawful.
    Players convicted of a crime or subject to a disposition of a criminal proceeding (as defined in this
    Policy) are subject to discipline. But even if the conduct does not result in a criminal conviction, players
    found to have engaged in any of the following conduct will be subject to discipline. Prohibited conduct
    includes but is not limited to the following:
     Actual or threatened physical violence against another person, including dating violence,
    domestic violence, child abuse, and other forms of family violence;
     Assault and/or battery, including sexual assault or other sex offenses;
     Violent or threatening behavior toward another employee or a third party in any workplace
    setting;
     Stalking, harassment, or similar forms of intimidation;
     Illegal possession of a gun or other weapon (such as explosives, toxic substances, and the like),
    or possession of a gun or other weapon in any workplace setting;
     Illegal possession, use, or distribution of alcohol or drugs;
     Possession, use, or distribution of steroids or other performance enhancing substances;
     Crimes involving cruelty to animals as defined by state or federal law;
     Crimes of dishonesty such as blackmail, extortion, fraud, money laundering, or racketeering;
     Theft-related crimes such as burglary, robbery, or larceny;
     Disorderly conduct;
     Crimes against law enforcement, such as obstruction, resisting arrest, or harming a police
    officer or other law enforcement officer;
     Conduct that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being of another person; and
     Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL personnel

    Its a long document but here it is

    http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2017/08/11/0ap3000000828506.pdf


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    I wonder will he do that 'feed me' thing with the imaginary spoon when he's presenting his case.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    There was a 160 page investigative report following a year's worth of investigation at the end of which they've weighed things up and made the determination that he was guilty. That a Court of Law has a higher threshold for obtaining a guilty verdict and as such no charges were pressed is neither here nor there. The NFL are able to put in place a code of conduct and this process around it because their agreement with the players enables them to do so.

    Again, what do they gain from screwing Zeke Elliot over? Dismissing the case would be much better for them.


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