The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

TOss Sweep

Beefy78 wrote: »

There was a 160 page investigative report following a year's worth of investigation at the end of which they've weighed things up and made the determination that he was guilty. That a Court of Law has a higher threshold for obtaining a guilty verdict and as such no charges were pressed is neither here nor there. The NFL are able to put in place a code of conduct and this process around it because their agreement with the players enables them to do so.

No case was made against Zeke in the court of law because there was little to no evidence he done anything wrong. In fact most of the evidence was his word against hers and the bruises his Ex had.

The code of conduct doesn't cover anything here or get the NFL off of doing anything wrong. Have you read it? It basically gives the NFL carte blanche on any player. If they feel you are guilty of breaking the rules you are guilty and banned.

Again, what do they gain from screwing Zeke Elliot over? Dismissing the case would be much better for them.

Saving face over not handling the Ray Rice issue better and the Josh Brown issue better. With domestic violence they are now just going to come down on any case with a heavy hammer to save face and to make it look like they now care.

TOss Sweep

This is hilarious. Chick-Fil-A in the new Falcons stadium. For those who don't know they don't open Sundays:

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/897650623717543937

Beefy78

There's no face saving in throwing one of the faces of the League to the wolves for a crime like this. They absolutely are going to come down hard on domestic violence - as they should do - but they've shown with this case that they'll investigate it fully.

There's a good and even write-up here in the Dallas News laying out the evidence and both sides of the case:

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/08/14/everything-need-know-nfls-investigation-cowboys-rb-ezekiel-elliott-assault-allegations

eagle eye

I don't want to stand in the corner of somebody who beat a girl but this looks like it's made up to me. There are so many holes in the girl's story and it's not surprising that Elliot was not arrested at any stage or charged.

There is a text from her to a friend asking her to lie about things. That on it's own is enough for me. There is no good reason why he should be suspended based on all the information that is out there.

Syphonax

Does anyone have that GIF of the American footballer running around with happy/sad troll faces??

TOss Sweep

Beefy78 wrote: »

There's no face saving in throwing one of the faces of the League to the wolves for a crime like this. They absolutely are going to come down hard on domestic violence - as they should do - but they've shown with this case that they'll investigate it fully.

There's a good and even write-up here in the Dallas News laying out the evidence and both sides of the case:

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/08/14/everything-need-know-nfls-investigation-cowboys-rb-ezekiel-elliott-assault-allegations

I agree but only if the person actually committed domestic violence in the first place. For what it is worth the book should be thrown at anyone that does but looking at Elliotts case it is hard to say he actually did anything as all the evidence is he said she said. Even that article you posted shows that.

The NFL investigations has offered nothing more than what the general public has been exposed to in the case by the media. They basically just used what we have all seen to date and decided guilty until proven innocent. I wouldn't really call any of their investigations proper investigations really.

Knex*

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't want to stand in the corner of somebody who beat a girl but this looks like it's made up to me. There are so many holes in the girl's story and it's not surprising that Elliot was not arrested at any stage or charged.

There is a text from her to a friend asking her to lie about things. That on it's own is enough for me. There is no good reason why he should be suspended based on all the information that is out there.

Didn't know about this. That would make me a little more uncomfortable about trusting the league's research/investigation.

I wonder what it is that makes the NFL so certain about the woman's story.

TOss Sweep

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't want to stand in the corner of somebody who beat a girl but this looks like it's made up to me. There are so many holes in the girl's story and it's not surprising that Elliot was not arrested at any stage or charged.

There is a text from her to a friend asking her to lie about things. That on it's own is enough for me. There is no good reason why he should be suspended based on all the information that is out there.

I agree. If Zeke did do it then he is a scumbag and should pay for his crime. But a lot of it just hear say and some pics of bruises and more texts from her asking her friends to lie and now the latest blackmail over sextapes. As time goes on its just very hard to believe her side of things.

TOss Sweep

Knex. wrote: »

Didn't know about this. That would make me a little more uncomfortable about trusting the league's research/investigation.

I wonder what it is that makes the NFL so certain about the woman's story.

http://elitedaily.com/sports/ezekiel-elliott-gf-tiffany-thompson-lied-texts/1606421/





Also a statement from the night in question

Knex*

Christ. That changes things.

Beefy78

Knex. wrote: »

Didn't know about this. That would make me a little more uncomfortable about trusting the league's research/investigation.

I wonder what it is that makes the NFL so certain about the woman's story.

The League acknowledged that one of the incidents was lied about. They poured scorn over Zeke's witnesses too.

Guffy

There is absolutely no concrete evidence of zeke doing anything wrong. As TS said there are so many holes in the story its just not believable. The ban is ridiculous and is a pr stunt by Goodell.

Now if they wanted to sanction him for the st patricks day shenanigans so be it. Its nothing more than you would see on a booze holiday in Ibiza or the likes but zeke is representing the NFL and that is damaging the brand. But a 6 game suspension for domestic assault is way off the mark given the evidence.

Beefy78

So what about the photos conducive with domestic abuse time-stamped to when days when they were together with no strong explanation given from Zeke's side as to how they happened?

If its so open and shut that he did nothing wrong why did the City Attorney tell the NFL that he believes that Elliot struck her?

At the end of the day none of us know what happened, it's no mystery considering what appears to be lies that have been told by both sides why it didn't make it to Court but on balance surely you need to accept the outcome of a 12 month investigation which considered all the evidence, spoke to all the parties and reached a considered verdict? The ban is a terrible look for the league.

jack presley

https://twitter.com/thescore/status/897855236341157889

phatkev

Syphonax wrote: »

Does anyone have that GIF of the American footballer running around with happy/sad troll faces??

jack presley

The Perfect NFL roster:

I thought this article was a pretty good read. Plenty of room for debate I suppose but good nonetheless

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/20296921/bill-barnwell-builds-perfect-nfl-roster-salary-cap-2017

TOss Sweep

Beefy78 wrote: »

So what about the photos conducive with domestic abuse time-stamped to when days when they were together with no strong explanation given from Zeke's side as to how they happened?

If its so open and shut that he did nothing wrong why did the City Attorney tell the NFL that he believes that Elliot struck her?

At the end of the day none of us know what happened, it's no mystery considering what appears to be lies that have been told by both sides why it didn't make it to Court but on balance surely you need to accept the outcome of a 12 month investigation which considered all the evidence, spoke to all the parties and reached a considered verdict? The ban is a terrible look for the league.

Well that is the thing though nothing stopping anyone taking pictures of bruises and accusing someone else. It still have to be proved though. Though one of the police reports said she got into a fight at a bar with another woman and that is how she got those bruises

j8wk2feszrnpao

Beefy78 wrote: »

The ban is a terrible look for the league.

You kinda keep saying that, but this is a good look for the league, and a bad look for the player.
Player committed domestic violence, league took action. Yeaaa NFL.

jack presley

Heating up now...!!!

https://twitter.com/nflprguy/status/897863415313698816

krustydoyle

Oh feck.... this is gonna be messy

Guffy

Its just a pity that the "victim" has been caught out asking people to lie for her. Has been involved in altercations at the time of the alleged assault. Its a pity that people can make an allogation and when an allogation doesn't hold up can hide behind a veil of well you cant accuse me of lying, im the accuser.

So many peoples reputations are ruined by false allogations of domestic abuse and sexual assaults. Its generally a he said she said affair and in such a scenario the accuser and their actions are scrutinised.

Whats worse is that the number of false claims that leads to this actually reduces the likelyhood of someone with a real claim coming forward.

Now for the caveat, I'm not sayin Elliot is a saint (he's clearly a cowboy boom boom)or that i know 100% he didnt do this. I just don't think the evidence is there to say that he did do it and the fact that people are calling him a scum bag(not so much here tbf) or that they are saying he deserves what he gets is frustrating given the fact that he is very much innocent in the eyes of the law. There is no case. There was no charge even. Again if the NFL wanted to ban him, ban him for his patricks day antics. That was disgraceful, but to ban him for 6 games for something that he has never even been charged for is wrong. Its a PR stunt by the NFL and tarnishes a man's reputation.

TOss Sweep

Why is an NFL executive getting involved with the aftermath and defending the victim in the first place. Telling you same sh1t they pulled during deflategate means Zeke wont win his appeal. NFL digging in their heals.

adrian522

I see Seattle have signed Tramaine Brock.

The 49ers released Brock on April 7, less than 24 hours after his arrest on charges of suspicion of felony domestic violence and child endangerment. Those charges were dismissed, however, on Aug. 9, as the Santa Clara District Attorney's office confirmed that there was insufficient evidence to proceed with the case because the alleged victim declined to cooperate.

I'm pretty happy with the 49ers policy regarding this kind of thing, whether there are charges or not, not getting involved in Domestic Violence should be a pretty low standard for NFL players.

helimachoptor

Titans and panthers having a going practice.

McCaffrey is tearing every LB to shreds

jack presley

helimachoptor wrote: »

McCaffrey is tearing every LB to shreds

If this kind of statement was written by a Broncos fan, we'd be ripping him to shreds!

Guffy

jack presley wrote: »

If this kind of statement was written by a Broncos fan, we'd be ripping him to shreds!

Christy42

Guffy wrote: »

Its just a pity that the "victim" has been caught out asking people to lie for her. Has been involved in altercations at the time of the alleged assault. Its a pity that people can make an allogation and when an allogation doesn't hold up can hide behind a veil of well you cant accuse me of lying, im the accuser.

So many peoples reputations are ruined by false allogations of domestic abuse and sexual assaults. Its generally a he said she said affair and in such a scenario the accuser and their actions are scrutinised.

Whats worse is that the number of false claims that leads to this actually reduces the likelyhood of someone with a real claim coming forward.

Now for the caveat, I'm not sayin Elliot is a saint (he's clearly a cowboy boom boom)or that i know 100% he didnt do this. I just don't think the evidence is there to say that he did do it and the fact that people are calling him a scum bag(not so much here tbf) or that they are saying he deserves what he gets is frustrating given the fact that he is very much innocent in the eyes of the law. There is no case. There was no charge even. Again if the NFL wanted to ban him, ban him for his patricks day antics. That was disgraceful, but to ban him for 6 games for something that he has never even been charged for is wrong. Its a PR stunt by the NFL and tarnishes a man's reputation.

The law has the highest standard of proof. Companies do not. This includes all companies by the way.

I have no idea about the evidence about him either way or if he should be banned but that statement was bang on. There is no reason to discredit the accuser here. Anyone doing so is doing so without proof of her guilt (no charges are against her either).

Seeing victims get lambasted in the press without proof of her guilt discourages others from coming forward. Realistically I feel people should not comment either way on the guilt but I guess people will anyway (not that I have an issue with people commenting on this judgement which is a separate matter to his guilt).

helimachoptor

jack presley wrote: »

If this kind of statement was written by a Broncos fan, we'd be ripping him to shreds!

I'd need to be a panthers fan!

Itssoeasy

jack presley wrote: »

Heating up now...!!!

https://twitter.com/nflprguy/status/897863415313698816

NFLPA response.
https://twitter.com/nflpa/status/897884316784631808

ScummyMan

Jesus this will go nuclear. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see this go as far as a lockout in 2020.