Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

Gamebred wrote: »

You're right as far as I know not one person in that camp bar Conor has had as much as an amatuer boxing bout, this will be combat sports biggest upset for me I think.

Really you think McGregor will win ? What are you basing that on ?

scudzilla wrote: »

Let's not also forget that Conor can take a punch too, so unless Floyd has developed some sensational KO power since his last fight then i doubt he's knocking him out early on

I think this point goes by without much discussion from anyone. Conors defence.
The whole combat discussion about this fight is whether Conor can land, and if he can, can Floyd cope? Now of course to hardcore fans we will talk discuss tactics and things like that in more detail than the casual but even at the hardcore fan level i see very little discussion on Conor being able to defend himself.

He will be taking a lot more than one or two, or three or four for that matter should any plan of "i'm going to KO him in the first 4" tactic not go to plan. His body is going to get worked like never before. Not by a KO artist by any means, but by the most accurate puncher in Boxing (certainly this generation).
Now the one thing that stands out for me is Conors lack of head movement, and the almost instinctual habit of not being able to consistently keep his face protected with his hands. He drops his left when he throws his right, he drops his right when he throws his left. And the more he punches the slower his hands are to get back into a defensive position. A position that he rarely sets out from in the first place. That is a dangerous set of habits to be going into a ring with against anybody, let alone Floyd ****ing Mayweather who will find that jaw and body all night long. He might not have the Canelo one punch power, but he has more accuracy to land crisp sharp punches over and over again and for a longer period of time. (I'd rather a one punch KO than a several round beating)

The more i think about this fight and the build up to it, the more i see this ending ugly. JK and Owen Roddy are not Boxing cornermen, they also are in awe of Conor because he literally changed their lives. My fear is they won't be able to react like Buddy McGirt did in the Gatti fight and say enoughs enough, despite Gatti wanting to continue.
One round too many is not to be taking lightly in any combat sport and especially Boxing, and i really hope that despite the positive visualisation and refusing to think of defeat mentality that they seem to have in the camp has also allowed them to both think about a "what if" situation whereby Conor is coming back to the corner like Gatti did, and despite his pride wanting him to go on that they have the common sense and balls to say "Conor thats enough".

pirlo80 wrote: »

walshb wrote: »

He and Conor and the rest of team McGregor are being ALL painted as either genuinely confident and sure of their man's victory, or delusional, or deliberately bull****ting.

I am going with the third option. No way they all genuinely believe that Conor wins. And no way ALL are ridiculously delusional. The smart and logical money is that they know he has next to no chance to beat Floyd at boxing, but sure they'll bullsh1t that he does.

They definitely 100% believe he will knock him out - When you hear them talk about Conor its  cult of personality/hysteria language they use (ref JK and the 8 oz gloves comment).

I can partly understand why, Conors confidence and self belief is infectious and he has proved people wrong so often before, the difference here is he is fighting one of the best boxers of the last 30 years - JK, Roddy and the rest of them fail to see the difference, either because they dont want to, or refuse to.  They literally think Floyd will get KO'd because he has a small head.

The whole camp is absolutely 100% deluded - Just look at the footage of the open workout and the **** about "easy work" and "beautiful" when he was hitting the bags like a novice.

I never want to see a fellow Irish man beaten but Kavanagh and Roddy will be largely responsible if he is badly beaten/stopped early doors - I think it will go 5 or 6 before the ref has seen enough and calls a halt

Do you mean they will be responsible if the don't throw in the towel in time? Because I'd agree with that....I've seen new coaches/cornermen let their boxers take stupid punishment in shows before (when the ref was slow with stopping it)


Thread deserves a Rocky clip - "Throw the damn towel"

StringerBell wrote: »

McGregor does not have a good defence........

Beg to differ.

pirlo80 wrote: »

There is no boxing coach in the camp - which is my point. Roddy is the striking coach I dont think he has a boxing background as far as I am aware. He is an MMA striking coach - I may be wrong on that.

I was talking about the JK comment specifically. Not having a boxing background doesn't exclude people from having an opinion. The the majority of people commenting on this fight, both "sides", dintbhsvev clue. Some people are going on as it being a fan of the sport bestows some inate abilities upon them.
If only coaches and boxers were allowed to comment this discussion threads would be very boring.

Sweet Science wrote: »

I see mods on the MMA forum have warned a few boxing people over their behaviour yet we have to deal with this utter nonsense on a daily basis

Utter nonsense is 100% correct.

I think theres a lot of new fight fans who never watched boxing and only started watching MMA after McGregors 3rd or 4th fight. ie 3 years ago.

Sweet Science wrote: »

I see mods on the MMA forum have warned a few boxing people over their behaviour yet we have to deal with this utter nonsense on a daily basis

So just don't go on the MMA Forum .. simples. Just looking at the posts here and how outlandish some are it would be tough to imagine how bad the MMA forum is with it.

mcgregor into 10/3 with PP

this is borderline ridiculous.

Fall_Guy wrote: »

I dont particularly like a large degree of mcgregors 'promotional' tactics, and he has without doubt made grossly inappropriate comments at times.....but that's not what was being discussed right now.

That said, I do think there is a difference between mcgregor making ignorant off the cuff remarks and mayweather making a calculated decision to paint mcgregor as a racist when I dont believe he truly thinks this is the case. Its crossing into a dangerous domain and is hugely irresponsible, which is why I think ellerbe himself has downplayed the racism talk.

Fair enough points, but he has definitely made what could most sympathetically be described as xenophobic remarks in the past.

And lets face it, he should have chosen his words with a whole lot more wisdom when facing a black opponent. It seems very careless from such a supposed canny operator, when every detail is calculated, that he would not have been aware of the implications of using 'monkeys'.

I didn't think the 'dance for me boy' thing was that clever either, though may have genuinely been just dumb and ignorant.

akelly02 wrote: »

mcgregor into 10/3 with PP

this is borderline ridiculous.

I guess they are balancing their book, seems there is a wall of money going behind McGregor, but it is largely small bets.

Big numbers are on the Floyd corner.

pirlo80 wrote: »

Do you think Mayweather doesnt know Conor is going to come out firing, do you think he wont have defense on his mind first and foremost - basically what he needs to do is avoid a big shot for 9 minutes then he's home free - Do you really think Canelo, Maidana, Cotto et el are not dangerous and didnt try the same thing ?

Mayweather is a defensive genius. Conor doesnt have the tools to unlock that, not in the first or any other round. It doesnt matter how he throws them or where he throws them from, what angles he uses - Mayweather has had people throw punches at him his whole life and only been rocked twice in a career thats spanned decades.

Anyone think that it's possible that this fight could be thrown?
The two men stand to make way more if Mayweather loses and there is a rematch clause..
It's all about money these days.

gilmour wrote: »

The more i think about this fight and the build up to it, the more i see this ending ugly. JK and Owen Roddy are not Boxing cornermen, they also are in awe of Conor because he literally changed their lives. My fear is they won't be able to react like Buddy McGirt did in the Gatti fight and say enoughs enough, despite Gatti wanting to continue.

One round too many is not to be taking lightly in any combat sport and especially Boxing, and i really hope that despite the positive visualisation and refusing to think of defeat mentality that they seem to have in the camp has also allowed them to both think about a "what if" situation whereby Conor is coming back to the corner like Gatti did, and despite his pride wanting him to go on that they have the common sense and balls to say "Conor thats enough".

This is the whole basis of my argument last night. These men wont know what to a) say to advise conor on what to do tactically if he is taking a hiding or b) pull him out. They are in awe of the man, the role of a coach is first and foremost protect his fighter and make hard calls when enough is enough - JK, I believe wont know when enough is enough and Conor will be calling the shots on if and when to quit - which I believe is why Mayweather has said that "he cant quit in this game" in the build up

Another example of making the hard decision is Frazier Ali 3 - Eddie Futch saved Ali and Frazier from each other. Neither of them would have quit and the consequences could have been devestating to both fighters