Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

Frank Bullitt

Floyd via DQ

The Nal wrote: »

I'm a fan of both guys, for different reasons but they're both great in their own sports. No issue with mad egos in the fight game. I loved Naseem, loved Eubank.

Conor and his posse have talked him/themselves into this. They know he has no chance apart from what you mentioned, something a bit different and hope Floyd doesn't figure it out. Like Ali hitting Foreman with right hand leads.

The one thing here though is that McGregor isn't used to getting hit frequently. No BJJ, no tie ups against the cage, no straight leg kicks to keep him away. Volume like hes never seen before. Floyd throws 35+ shots per round. Half of them power punches.

This will be McGregors first ever boxing fight with no headgear. Its preposterous stuff. Hes going to get badly hurt and it will be at best an embarrassing stoppage.

Thats a good point.

For all of the "Floyd has never been in the ring with anyone who moves like Conor and throws like Conor" and so forth, the flip side of that is equally as true and probably scarier. Conor has never been in the cage/ring with anyone with hands or calibre like Floyd, at all in anyway.

Danzy

Floyd via KO-TKO

I can get to a degree why they did not have a boxing coach, it is too late in the day for him to learn boxing, he has to fight his own way, that said a good coach would point out little improvements and where Floyd would exploit opportunities.

For all we know he has boxing coaches on site but a different line is being put out.

Outlaw Pete

Floyd via DQ

Burial. wrote: »

But but but but the long reach :rolleyes:

McGregor's reach advantage was cited to show that he has some things in his arsenal which Floyd hasn't had to deal with before (to that degree at least) and which will likely be advantageous to McGregor when it comes to striking. It's one of the reasons why he can't be totally ruled out in my view. Primarily though, the reach advantage was referenced in retort to the nonsense arument that McGregor won't land a single punch................

But, if you want to pretend that it was cited to lend support to a view that McGregor will win the fight easily or that Floyd's defensive moves will be of no help to him given that reach advantage McGregor has, so be it............

Sure at least you're entertaining yourselves and that's all that matters I suppose.

blade1

Draw

I reckon if Conor is going to finish Floyd this is how it gets done! :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkV1MsLe7hY

Eyes Down Field

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

It'll be one of the great joys of 2017 to see the excuses you make when Conor beats Floyd - for both boxing aka "the sweet science" and for Floyd. It'll be enjoyable watching you twist yourself into a pretzel to avoid giving credit to Conor or to admit you hadn't a clue what sort of animal you were dealing with.

It will bring me tremendous joy.

On the flip side if Floyd lands a lucky punch, I will of course be pretty sad at the well-deserved abuse coming my way

I'm not at all worried about the outcome of this fight. Floyd Mayweather will win. My comments after the fight will be "I told you so". I won't even be able to take much Joy from it. I don't particularly like seeing a fellow Irishman get beat, But that's just the reality of the situation.

McGregor may be a Bull but Mayweather is a Matador He will be in control throughout and will have the ability to end the fight at any time of his choosing.

Floyd will land many punches, luck with play no part, Just years of experience, hard work and dedication.

Eyes Down Field

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

source?

Leonard Ellerby said at Floyd's media day that they had already broke some foreign market records, he listed a few places. But never mentioned domestic numbers.

Presumably because they haven't reached the record set by May/Pac for domestic PPV numbers.

The fact that tickets are still available is well known. Primerally because they are so expensive. I have no doubt that it will eventually sell out but they might have to reduce prices to move less sought after seats.

Pighead

Conor via DQ

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

McGregor may be a Bull but Mayweather is a Matador.

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

Pighead wrote: »

The problem for Conor is that he's not even a bull.

Danzy

Floyd via KO-TKO

If Floyd isn't down in 4 rounds then he isn't down at all.

The element of unorthodox surprise will be gone.

I think we'll see some interesting clenches from McGregor, I wouldn't be surprised if he semi throws him down at the start, he'll get a slap but it'll might just rattle Floyd.

If I had a bet on it my heart would say Conor but my Social fund would say Floyd.

Tigger

Conor via DQ

Tigger wrote: »

Ducking below the opponents waist line is aginst the rules tho, Mayweathers head was at knee level there
I know it's not enforced much but he's still flaunting the rules
He got warned against Hatton but then Hatton was docked a point for catching the back of his head

Yeah but that point dosent agree with our group think so we will ignore it .

Ash.J.Williams

Conor via DQ

Danzy wrote: »

If Floyd isn't down in 4 rounds then he isn't down at all.

The element of unorthodox surprise will be gone.

I think we'll see some interesting clenches from McGregor, I wouldn't be surprised if he semi throws him down at the start, he'll get a slap but it'll might just rattle Floyd.

If I had a bet on it my heart would say Conor but my Social fund would say Floyd.

The most common sense post I've seen. I'd agree with this. After four rounds conor will lose power and enters the gas zone.

hbhook

Floyd via DQ

Tigger wrote: »

Yeah but that point dosent agree with our group think so we will ignore it .

What do want us to do, write to the ref or something? He uses his elbows a lot too and rarely gets called on it.
That might be something McGregor could try..''I SAID SUBTLY CONNOR!!''

Tigger

Conor via DQ

hbhook wrote: »

What do want us to do, write to the ref or something? He uses his elbows a lot too and rarely gets called on it.
That might be something McGregor could try..''I SAID SUBTLY CONNOR!!''

No but admiring his mad skills when they are acually him bending the rules is like watching the Mayo forwards running on Roscommon last week with the repeated double bounce and suggesting that that was their best play.
Also is only one n in the Christian name.

pirlo80

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

He and Conor and the rest of team McGregor are being ALL painted as either genuinely confident and sure of their man's victory, or delusional, or deliberately bull****ting.

I am going with the third option. No way they all genuinely believe that Conor wins. And no way ALL are ridiculously delusional. The smart and logical money is that they know he has next to no chance to beat Floyd at boxing, but sure they'll bullsh1t that he does.

They definitely 100% believe he will knock him out - When you hear them talk about Conor its cult of personality/hysteria language they use (ref JK and the 8 oz gloves comment).

I can partly understand why, Conors confidence and self belief is infectious and he has proved people wrong so often before, the difference here is he is fighting one of the best boxers of the last 30 years - JK, Roddy and the rest of them fail to see the difference, either because they dont want to, or refuse to. They literally think Floyd will get KO'd because he has a small head.

The whole camp is absolutely 100% deluded - Just look at the footage of the open workout and the **** about "easy work" and "beautiful" when he was hitting the bags like a novice.

I never want to see a fellow Irish man beaten but Kavanagh and Roddy will be largely responsible if he is badly beaten/stopped early doors - I think it will go 5 or 6 before the ref has seen enough and calls a halt

Gamebred

Floyd via KO-TKO

pirlo80 wrote: »

I never want to see a fellow Irish man beaten but Kavanagh and Roddy will be largely responsible if he is badly beaten/stopped early doors - I think it will go 5 or 6 before the ref has seen enough and calls a halt

Im far from a JK guy but this **** is hilarious, JK and Roddy will be responsible if the best boxer ever beats a 0-0 novice at pro boxing, seen it all now.

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

Gamebred wrote: »

Im far from a JK guy but this **** is hilarious, JK and Roddy will be responsible if the best boxer ever beats a 0-0 novice at pro boxing, seen it all now.

He didn't say that..

At least read and digest what he actually said and meant before jumpin in on the attack.

Gamebred

Floyd via KO-TKO

''Kavanagh and Roddy will be largely responsible if he is badly beaten/stopped early doors''


Exact quote, how in the name of jaysus are they responsible if its an ass whooping, its odds on with every bookie in the world he gets stopped.

pirlo80

Floyd via DQ

Gamebred wrote: »

Im far from a JK guy but this **** is hilarious, JK and Roddy will be responsible if the best boxer ever beats a 0-0 novice at pro boxing, seen it all now.

I said they will be responsible if he is badly beaten - the reason being is they dont understand boxing, they have never even cornered a fight, they obviously dont see his basic mistakes or know how to correct them such as tucking your elbows to block body shots and not leaving your chin in the air (The man is wide open for counters against the best counter puncher in the world) and dont get me started on the footwork. All of these basic things would go a long way to protecting conor from the damage he is wide open to - Kavanagh has no fkng clue about any of this yet he is predicting a KO (in the 1st no less if they wear 8s)

How is a head coach not responsible if he doesnt have these things addressed and his fighter gets badly hurt/embarrassed ??

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

Gamebred wrote: »

''Kavanagh and Roddy will be largely responsible if he is badly beaten/stopped early doors''


Exact quote, how in the name of jaysus are they responsible if its an ass whooping, its odds on with every bookie in the world he gets stopped.

Your initial post didn't mention an ass whupping...

The poster meant if Conor gets badly beaten, not just beaten as in loses..

Gamebred

Floyd via KO-TKO

pirlo80 wrote: »

I said they will be responsible if he is badly beaten - the reason being is they dont understand boxing, they have never even cornered a fight, they obviously dont see his basic mistakes or know how to correct them such as tucking your elbows to block body shots and not leaving your chin in the air (The man is wide open for counters against the best counter puncher in the world) and dont get me started on the footwork. All of these basic things would go a long way to protecting conor from the damage he is wide open to - Kavanagh has no fkng clue about any of this yet he is predicting a KO (in the 1st no less if they wear 8s)

How is a head coach not responsible if he doesnt have these things addressed and his fighter gets badly hurt/embarrassed ??

They cannot out box him, its just not possible so even if Freddie Roach was in the corner roaring stuff it wont make a blind bit of difference.

Danzy

Floyd via KO-TKO

If he tries to do what is expected in boxing he is done for, zero chance.

I appreciate you reasoning though and get it, there are worrying things on display.

pirlo80

Floyd via DQ

Gamebred wrote: »

They cannot out box him, its just not possible so even if Freddie Roach was in the corner roaring stuff it wont make a blind bit of difference.

I am not talking about outboxing him, I am talking about having proper knowledge of the sport he is entering into - of which John Kavanagh has none - absolutely zero - He cannot see the mistakes anybody with any knowledge of boxing can see - and as a result cannot correct them - Their ignorance and delusion is the problem. Nobody is disputing that Floyd is the better boxer.

Gamebred

Floyd via KO-TKO

pirlo80 wrote: »

I am not talking about outboxing him, I am talking about having proper knowledge of the sport he is entering into - of which John Kavanagh has none - absolutely zero - He cannot see the mistakes anybody with any knowledge of boxing can see - and as a result cannot correct them - Their ignorance and delusion is the problem. Not that Floyd is the better boxer.

Its not a video game, you cant hit a few buttons and make Conor turn into a boxing expert in the space of one training camp then outbox Floyd come fight night, the best around couldnt land a glove on him with their expert knowledge so what should he swap Kavanagh for some top coach?


Their ignorance and delusion has got them this far, sure it looks a bridge too far but best off failing with his team than drafting in someone for a few weeks that has no clue of McGregor to explain boxing fundamentals when in fact hes not going to try fight him like every other boxer has (well thats the general consensus)

GerryDerpy

Conor via DQ

Gamebred wrote: »

Im far from a JK guy but this **** is hilarious, JK and Roddy will be responsible if the best boxer ever beats a 0-0 novice at pro boxing, seen it all now.

They have the towel in their hands ringside - of course they are responsible for Conor getting a beating.

pirlo80

Floyd via DQ

Gamebred wrote: »

Its not a video game, you cant hit a few buttons and make Conor turn into a boxing expert in the space of one training camp then outbox Floyd come fight night, the best around couldnt land a glove on him with their expert knowledge so what should he swap Kavanagh for some top coach?


Their ignorance and delusion has got them this far, sure it looks a bridge too far but best off failing with his team than drafting in someone for a few weeks that has no clue of McGregor to explain boxing fundamentals when in fact hes not going to try fight him like every other boxer has (well thats the general consensus)

I am talking about basic defense against a counter puncher. Basic defense of the body when holding your guard. Basic basic basic stuff that because Conor hasnt been corrected on and will continue to do - and be made pay for.

HOW can you not say that someone - anyone with decent knowledge of boxing could not be beneficial to that camp ? Im not talking about trying to outbox Floyd or start from scratch and I believe that the only advantage Conor has is his unorthadox movement and style BUT if you walk into a boxing match with your arms out like chicken wings and your chin in the air you're going to get hurt - possibly badly. And if that happens early doors or Conor does get badly KO'd or embarrassed, the yes men in his camp have to take some responsibility for that.

Can you honestly not understand my point ?

Gamebred

Floyd via KO-TKO

pirlo80 wrote: »

I am talking about basic defense against a counter puncher. Basic defense of the body when holding your guard. Basic basic basic stuff that because Conor hasnt been corrected on and will continue to do - and be made pay for.

HOW can you not say that someone - anyone with decent knowledge of boxing could not be beneficial to that camp ? Im not talking about trying to outbox Floyd or start from scratch and I believe that the only advantage Conor has is his unorthadox movement and style BUT if you walk into a boxing match with your arms out like chicken wings and your chin in the air you're going to get hurt - possibly badly. And if that happens early doors or Conor does get badly KO'd or embarrassed, the yes men in his camp have to take some responsibility for that.

Can you honestly not understand my point ?

How do you know he doesnt know these basic things your on about? he has never boxed so your guessing and speaking hypothetically on what advice he might need, they have a game plan so let them try execute it,


I fully understand your point but its too late in the day to throw some stranger in to start correcting him on boxing techniques, they have been successful in mma and are trying to cross over into boxing with the same approach.

pirlo80

Floyd via DQ

Gamebred wrote: »

How do you know he doesnt know these basic things your on about? he has never boxed so your guessing and speaking hypothetically on what advice he might need, they have a game plan so let them try execute it,


I fully understand your point but its too late in the day to throw some stranger in to start correcting him on boxing techniques, they have been successful in mma and are trying to cross over into boxing with the same approach.

I am basing it on what I have seen in the open workout (granted on the bags but if he looked that bad there imagine what Floyd will do to him) and also with the snippet of sparring against Malignaggi - he looked terrible and what really upset me was the cheering on of those mistakes and Kavanaghs obliviousness and belief he can KO Floyd based on sheer delusion. I find that irresponsible from a coach tbh.

I dont know if its been mentioned here or not already but remember Floyd was calling him a quitter and saying "you cant quit in this game" I think thats because Floyd knows he is going to seriously give him a serious hiding (similar to the Gatti fight) - probably not spark him clean but beat him up badly and he is taking the option of Conor quitting on his stool away from him. If JK tries to pull him out Conor wont let him and so the beating will continue until the ref has seen enough.

My 2c anyway.

Mellor

Draw

pirlo80 wrote: »

I said they will be responsible if he is badly beaten - the reason being is they dont understand boxing, they have never even cornered a fight, they obviously dont see his basic mistakes or know how to correct them such as tucking your elbows to block body shots and not leaving your chin in the air (The man is wide open for counters against the best counter puncher in the world) and dont get me started on the footwork. All of these basic things would go a long way to protecting conor from the damage he is wide open to - Kavanagh has no fkng clue about any of this yet he is predicting a KO (in the 1st no less if they wear 8s)

How is a head coach not responsible if he doesnt have these things addressed and his fighter gets badly hurt/embarrassed ??

JK is a jiu jitsu coach, who is head coach of SBG. He doesn't stop being head coach whenever an SBG fighter competed outside of BJJ/MMA.
What evidence have people seen that he is trying to coach Conor in boxing? Is that not just speculation and guesswork from people? He may well be, and he may well be said something to that effect in an interview. But the above is a genuine question, as I haven't seen it.

Gamebred

Floyd via KO-TKO

Kavanagh has little to no say in his striking, hes more of an all round coach that knits the team together and does logistics and bjj obviously.

pirlo80

Floyd via DQ

Mellor wrote: »

JK is a jiu jitsu coach, who is head coach of SBG. He doesn't stop being head coach whenever an SBG fighter competed outside of BJJ/MMA.
What evidence have people seen that he is trying to coach Conor in boxing? Is that not just speculation and guesswork from people? He may well be, and he may well be said something to that effect in an interview. But the above is a genuine question, as I haven't seen it.

There is no boxing coach in the camp - which is my point. Roddy is the striking coach I dont think he has a boxing background as far as I am aware. He is an MMA striking coach - I may be wrong on that.