Galway GAA discussion thread

mountgomery burns · 13-08-2017 11:42PM

Tuohys start behind Bonner after he blocks him down, he gets his body in the way and then the hand goes back as Mannion sweeps. He clenches his hand and pulls the helmet off, I don't think it was an accident.

But personally, I think it would be an absolute joke for a player to miss an all Ireland final for that. What Austin Gleeson did was stupid, but in all fairness I think people have lost the plot with helmet pulling recently. And the only players actually getting banned for it are from Waterford. Of the three incidents, Tadhg Bourkes to me as actually the most innocuos given he was being fouled and trying to free himself. Personally don't think that one was deliberate.

I recall Cathal Barret doing it twice to Alan Cadogan in the most sly way imaginable in the munster semi. The rule is a joke.

Utopia Parkway · 13-08-2017 11:43PM

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

Nobody.

Well he's on the field of play almost as much as the players are.

Diabhal Beag · 13-08-2017 11:50PM

Really hard to find video of it so this is what I have (ignore outraged Waterfordian):
https://twitter.com/ahhhhayor/status/894214252021641217

He loses the ball after the block and when he sees Mannion is going to get there first he gets his hand at the helmet to buy Mannion that extra split second to clear. It's cute and I think he was helped a lot by how loose the Tipp player's helmet was prior to the block but he knew what he was at imo.

That said, Gleeson's today is much worse. I can still see Gleeson escaping though.

washman3 · 13-08-2017 11:55PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Who's marking Dan Shanahan in the final?

David Collins would fit the bill..;)
Some striking similarities....

galwaylad14 · 13-08-2017 11:55PM

threeball wrote: »

I hope he doesn't get banned. He deserves to, but I'd hate to have an asterix beside the win like Clare have against theirs. We're good enough to beat them at their strongest and I hope they have them all.

Who in the name of God would be putting an asterisk beside it? If we win the all Ireland it'll be because we were the best team in the country this year, no ifs, buts or maybes about it just like Clare were deserving all Ireland champions in 2013. People saying how they didn't beat Tipp or Kilkenny and that takes away from their achievement is absolute nonsense. It's not Clare's fault that Tipp and kk weren't good enough to get far enough to meet thrm.

Galway need to win an Ireland and I'll take it any way it comes at all and call me unsporting but I hope both Gleesons
are banned because it'll increase our chances of winning, let Waterford complain about whatever they like as long as we get the cup.

TCDStudent1 · 13-08-2017 11:55PM

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Really hard to find video of it so this is what I have (ignore outraged Waterfordian):
https://twitter.com/ahhhhayor/status/894214252021641217

He loses the ball after the block and when he sees Mannion is going to get there first he gets his hand at the helmet to buy Mannion that extra split second to clear. It's cute and I think he was helped a lot by how loose the Tipp player's helmet was prior to the block but he knew what he was at imo.

That said, Gleeson's today is much worse. I can still see Gleeson escaping though.

Hadnt realised he lost the ball. Looking at it now, I am not so certain it was an accident. However, I think it is impossible to say with certainty that it was deliberate.

Gleeson's looked completely deliberate.

If they dont ban Gleeson for this, then the rule will probably never work again. It will set a precedent. So it will be interesting to see what happens.

I actually thought Gleeson was relatively quiet today and really struggling to get into the game up until halfway through the second half.

Cathalachs · 14-08-2017 12:01AM

I wouldn't be over confident against waterford,maybe it's because they are neighbours of the cats, but we have not beaten them in the c/ship so far.they are far better at the sweeper system than anyone we have played,when forwards get frustrated they resort to hail mary efforts.Cork have very good speedy forwards not one attempt at goal,says alot for the waterford defence.it could be a classic ,galway have the better team but waterford have the system to match them.

Powerhouse · 14-08-2017 12:04AM

threeball wrote: »

I hope he doesn't get banned. He deserves to, but I'd hate to have an asterix beside the win like Clare have against theirs. We're good enough to beat them at their strongest and I hope they have them all.

Astericks are beside All-Ireland titles only in petty begrudging minds. Every team wins titles in different ways, beating different teams, getting different draws, suffering varying injuries and elements of luck along the way. There's no such thing as a uniform All-Ireland.

Powerhouse · 14-08-2017 12:06AM

Cathalachs wrote: »

I wouldn't be over confident against waterford,maybe it's because they are neighbours of the cats

Doesn't get much more weird and illogical than this. Wexford and Tipperary are also "neighbours of the cats". Means f*ck all

threeball · 14-08-2017 12:07AM

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Who in the name of God would be putting an asterisk beside it? If we win the all Ireland it'll be because we were the best team in the country this year, no ifs, buts or maybes about it just like Clare were deserving all Ireland champions in 2013. People saying how they didn't beat Tipp or Kilkenny and that takes away from their achievement is absolute nonsense. It's not Clare's fault that Tipp and kk weren't good enough to get far enough to meet thrm.

Galway need to win an Ireland and I'll take it any way it comes at all and call me unsporting but I hope both Gleesons
are banned because it'll increase our chances of winning, let Waterford complain about whatever they like as long as we get the cup.

You answered your own question there

Django99 · 14-08-2017 12:20AM

threeball wrote: »

You answered your own question there

Well if you wanted to you could put an asterisk beside every All Ireland ever won, as there will always be excuses as to why another team didn't win.

orl · 14-08-2017 12:21AM

If a foul is not punished appropriately on the field of play, it should be left unless somebody loses an eye. Why bother having a referee at all then? I hope Austin Gleeson does play. I don't mind if the other Gleeson gets off either. I would say the Sunday Game is getting alot less calls from 051 numbers. Be careful what you wish for. If Tuohy had been cited, Austin Gleeeson would be certain to be gone too.

I think we are good enough to beat Waterford. I think it could be similar to Tipp. We could get more points and they will get one goal.

Remember Waterford were playing against 13 for most of that match.

Tellyium · 14-08-2017 12:28AM

Will be an end of a famine no matter who wins it.
I really hope nothing is made of the alleged helmet pull from today. Let there be the best 15 from both counties lining out and have at it then.
Tipp voted to lift Tony's suspension in '89 and fair play to them for that, that was and is the right thing to do.
No Galway player or supporter is (or should be) looking for Gleeson to miss out. He's an exceptional talent and deserves to show all his talents on all Ireland day. If we're not good enough to beat Waterford with him in the team, we're not good enough.
Looking forward to what will be a great occasion, even if there'll be a sadness there with the passing of Tony.

Powerhouse · 14-08-2017 12:31AM

orl wrote: »

Remember Waterford were playing against 13 for most of that match.

Waterford were playing against 13 for most of the match i.e. more than 35 minutes? Cahalane was sent off in the 51st minute and Horgan in the 69th. That not even to mention that Waterford themselves lost a man on the latter incident. Or did I miss something really significant you are referring to?

donnem33 · 14-08-2017 12:51PM

Cathalachs wrote: »

I wouldn't be over confident against waterford,maybe it's because they are neighbours of the cats, but we have not beaten them in the c/ship so far.they are far better at the sweeper system than anyone we have played,when forwards get frustrated they resort to hail mary efforts.Cork have very good speedy forwards not one attempt at goal,says alot for the waterford defence.it could be a classic ,galway have the better team but waterford have the system to match them.

We never beat Dublin in the championship until 2015, had an awful record against Wexford until we joined Leinster. Even Waterford had never beaten kk in how many years until this year. All records are there to be broken - what better way to start than in an All Ireland Final!!

GS11 · 14-08-2017 01:05PM

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

Nobody.

The Rock was on him yesterday

Woodbrook80 · 14-08-2017 01:08PM

What do ye think of the minor chances of course as my nephew is playing I want them to win

danganabu · 14-08-2017 01:18PM

Woodbrook80 wrote: »

What do ye think of the minor chances of course as my nephew is playing I want them to win

Cork are good, very good, Turnbull especially is a definite star in the making. Galway have been equally impressive and will improve as the semi was only their second game.

Minors are extremely unpredictable from one day to another,however on all known form I would say Cork by 1-3, however if Galway have a disciplined man marker of Turnbull they will have an excellent chance, both teams also very strong in midfield so that will be intriguing and will have a massive bearing on the game.

ShamoBuc · 14-08-2017 02:08PM

danganabu wrote: »

Cork are good, very good, Turnbull especially is a definite star in the making. Galway have been equally impressive and will improve as the semi was only their second game.

Minors are extremely unpredictable from one day to another,however on all known form I would say Cork by 1-3, however if Galway have a disciplined man marker of Turnbull they will have an excellent chance, both teams also very strong in midfield so that will be intriguing and will have a massive bearing on the game.

I reckon this final could be an absolute cracker. Galway have sone fine hurlers but I do think there is something a bit special about this cork minor team. Yes, Turnbull was on fire yesterday but I've seen cork in full flow in the Munster final and they were super to watch. Our full forward didn't touch the ball yesterday, got taken off in fact and he was outstanding the last day.
Midfield is the key. Cork have a good player and a great player there and if they get on top, Cork will win I think by a couple points.

threeball · 14-08-2017 04:31PM

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I reckon this final could be an absolute cracker. Galway have sone fine hurlers but I do think there is something a bit special about this cork minor team. Yes, Turnbull was on fire yesterday but I've seen cork in full flow in the Munster final and they were super to watch. Our full forward didn't touch the ball yesterday, got taken off in fact and he was outstanding the last day.
Midfield is the key. Cork have a good player and a great player there and if they get on top, Cork will win I think by a couple points.

Hard to know how to rate Cork after yesterday as the Dublin challenge was so inept. They couldn't pick the ball, catch it, strike it clean. The free taker missed at least 8 scoreable chances. The whole performance was anemic. Cork could only play what was in front of them but Dublin were crap.
As always with minors who look fairly evenly matched as the two finalists do it will depend on a few breaks going your way as they are react far more negatively/positively to conceding/scoring a big score than a senior team would. I wouldn't bet the money i'd find down the back of the couch on a minor team.

road_high · 14-08-2017 08:14PM

All very quiet on the Galway front as always with minimum fuss or drama into another final...so, what do people think of meeting Waterford in the final? I think this is Galway's year.

donnem33 · 14-08-2017 08:54PM

Interesting to see on various forums Waterford supporters drawing relevance to recent minor (2013) and u21 (2016) victories over Galway. Having looked at those teams Waterford have brought alot of those teams onto senior level whereas conor whelan (2013 minor) and Conor Whelan, Eanna Burke and Thomas Monaghan (2016 u21) are the only ones from Galway that have played senior this year. Galway have players from multiple All Ireland minor winning teams (2005, 2009 and 2011) and were robbed by kilkenny in 2008 in addition to u21 All Ireland winners in 2007 and 2011. Many of this years team were involved in senior finals in 2012 and 2015 - that is senior All Ireland final day experience to be able to draw on!!

hurlingman97 · 14-08-2017 09:07PM

donnem33 wrote: »

Interesting to see on various forums Waterford supporters drawing relevance to recent minor (2013) and u21 (2016) victories over Galway. Having looked at those teams Waterford have brought alot of those teams onto senior level whereas conor whelan (2013 minor) and Conor Whelan, Eanna Burke and Thomas Monaghan (2016 u21) are the only ones from Galway that have played senior this year. Galway have players from multiple All Ireland minor winning teams (2005, 2009 and 2011) and were robbed by kilkenny in 2008 in addition to u21 All Ireland winners in 2007 and 2011. Many of this years team were involved in senior finals in 2012 and 2015 - that is senior All Ireland final day experience to be able to draw on!!

And 3 from minor 2015 in Monaghan, Loftus and Grealish on the panel.

Green Peter · 14-08-2017 09:09PM

I think it was pure arrogance by Gleeson, I think he had planned to do it at some stage of the match out of protest at touhy getting off and de burca getting a ban and felt that because he was looking away he couldn't be found guilty. Chances are the GAA will find a way to get out of a ban but it would be good enough for him if he misses out. Great hurler but a bit of a fool!

14-08-2017 09:40PM

Without disparaging Waterford as we're clearly not Dublin/Kilkenny circa 2008 but you'll not get any easier of a team in the final.

I don't mean "easy" in a cocky sense but there's only so many teams capable of making the final and that Waterford team isn't as good as their team from years ago.
I just mean in terms of an AI final and the last three teams we've played in them(Cork 05, KK 2012 and KK 15 who were just a year shy of the dam bursting) there's certainly not the same fear factor this time.

While we might be the Mayo of hurling in terms of finals lost in a row, Waterford are the Mayo of hurling in terms of length to their last.
One thing this Waterford team are known for is retreating and giving you a chance to come back as evidenced in the two KK games and Pearse Stadium this year.

With the gap to their last and with that in mind I can see them getting very cagey if they are leading late.

I said earlier in the year, and I stand by it... We'll definitely win one in the next two or three years.
With KK falling back its opened up Leinster for us and it's only two wins from there.

What's just as important as the AI is the minor and U21.

We need a few more stars coming through as it's been a few years since we've picked up anything and our bench is particularity weak as well as that 6th forward position since neither Mannion nor Flynn are in any way consistent enough(I'll disregard the 5th as Glynn would be starting under normal circumstances)

redlead · 14-08-2017 09:54PM

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Without disparaging Waterford are we're clearly not Dublin/Kilkenny circa 2008 but you'll not get any easier of a team in the final.

To be fair Waterford will be saying the exact same thing about Galway. Both teams have zero fear of each other which is what is going to make it a great game in my opinion.

14-08-2017 10:23PM

redlead wrote: »

To be fair Waterford will be saying the exact same thing about Galway. Both teams have zero fear of each other which is what is going to make it a great game in my opinion.

I completely agree... it's not as daunting for them.

However I think the ace in the deck is that this Galway team are equally as good as either of the two Tipperary teams who won in the past 10 years and a lot of the negatives against us are from pre 2016.

Like James Regan started an AI final in 2012... he wouldn't even make the match day squad now.

We're not carrying any passengers to that degree these days while we have the best FB, best CF and best midfielder in the country.

We'll reach the promised last land sooner rather than later now anyway, the last two years have shown enough to prove it's a matter of time now(bar Colm there's nobody close to retirement)

threeball · 14-08-2017 10:38PM

I think the big advantage we have is that our back 6 are good enough to stand alone against the best forwards in the country meaning we'll go with 6 up front and waterford will have their work cut out containing them even with the sweeper. It also means we'll presurise the delivery more which leads to more driven clearances which our half back line will gobble up.
Our midfield is as good as theirs and probably better especially with Gleeson out which will limit Barrons influence alot. For me we're stronger in probably every line with the only question being over their capacity to mentally show up on the day. This year they look like a different animal however and at no stage in the Tipp game did I ever feel we would lose.

mountgomery burns · 14-08-2017 10:58PM

In fairness Gilberto, you were singing the same tune in 2009 and 2011. And I'm not claiming past victories have any bearing on this one, just that I would have thought not being able to see beyond a victory would be something you would have learned from at this stage.

Fully accept Galway are favourites, very good team and the form team this year to be fair. Doubt there'll be anything easy about the final however, and whether Galway win or lose being pre match favourites will be completely irrelevant as soon as the game throws in.

As an aside, no matter what is sparked from the tension of the next few weeks and the match itself, its refreshing to have this final pairing. I'll be inconsolable if we lose but when the dust settles I'd rather it be ye than any other County victorious if we can't be.

14-08-2017 11:15PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

In fairness Gilberto, you were singing the same tune in 2009 and 2011. And I'm not claiming past victories have any bearing on this one, just that I would have thought not being able to see beyond a victory would be something you would have learned from at this stage.

Fully accept Galway are favourites, very good team and the form team this year to be fair. Doubt there'll be anything easy about the final however, and whether Galway win or lose being pre match favourites will be completely irrelevant as soon as the game throws in.

As an aside, no matter what is sparked from the tension of the next few weeks and the match itself, its refreshing to have this final pairing. I'll be inconsolable if we lose but when the dust settles I'd rather it be ye than any other County victorious if we can't be.

I clarified what I meant by easy and it wasn't in the normal sense.

I meant there's no big bad wolf this time... a once in a generation team, a Cork side of that were the second best of the past 30years.

It's a final, and a one off game and we're not the Dublin footballers... but there's more to be optimistic about than there was in 05, 12 or 15.

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