All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

Squiggle · 14-08-2017 12:44PM

If they look back at it it's hard to see how AG won't be banned. And looking at it in slow motion you can only call it one way which is what Brennan did on the Sunday Game. Folks on Twitter last night were calling Brennan a shít stirrer but in fairness even John Mullane couldn't dress this one up :pac:.

donnem33 · 14-08-2017 12:48PM

As a Galway man, I hope Austin Gleeson is not suspended. However, to compare the incident to Adrian Tuohy is ridiculous!! Yesterday the ball was out of play, the whistle had gone, Gleeson was looking straight at him and just grabbed his faceguard. Stupidity. Tuohy was fighting for the ball with his back to Maher trying to push him away - albeit his hand was too high up! I feel Touhy should have been suspended - no point in having rules if they are not going to be applied.

Regarding Galway trying to win it to commemorate Tony Keady, if they are going to attribute it to a deceased player imo it would be Niall Donoghue who would have played with many of the current panel

danganabu · 14-08-2017 12:48PM

Squiggle wrote: »

If they look back at it it's hard to see how AG won't be banned. And looking at it in slow motion you can only call it one way which is what Brennan did on the Sunday Game. Folks on Twitter last night were calling Brennan a shstirrer but in fairness even John Mullane couldn't dress this one up :pac:.

Pundits can't win, call it as it is and they are **** stirrers and bitter so and so's from other counties, fudge it like Brendan Cummins did and they are accused of sitting on the fence, a bit like a referee a thankless job that no matter which way you go you are lambasted buy one side or another, I guess the big difference is the bank balance

PTH2009 · 14-08-2017 12:51PM

Squiggle wrote: »

If they look back at it it's hard to see how AG won't be banned. And looking at it in slow motion you can only call it one way which is what Brennan did on the Sunday Game. Folks on Twitter last night were calling Brennan a shít stirrer but in fairness even John Mullane couldn't dress this one up :pac:.

He might not of meant it and his hand could of grabbed the helmet by accident ???

****ing idiotic though

bruschi · 14-08-2017 01:12PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

He might not of meant it and his hand could of grabbed the helmet by accident ???

****ing idiotic though

some serious clutching at straws. By accident?

And on a slightly different point that is also being brought up, it is no way comparable to the Tuohy incident. Tuohy was fending off Maher, he hit the ball forward and was pushing Maher back with his spare arm. His hand is at the back of Mahers helmet, but he doesnt make any grab at it. He does seem to wedge it a bit, but makes no motion to pull it or to clench his fingers into it. Mahers straps pop open then, probably due to Tuhy pushing against the helmet and Maher moving to get away from him. But it was in the play of the game, its not like Tuohy went looking to grab him by the helmet. It would be, to me, incidental contact with the helmet rather than intentional contact with the helmet.

Gleesons is the opposite. His hand is around Meades neck, and as he gets up, his palm is open raking up the side of his helmet. He then grabs the face guard and pulls the helmet clean off. Notably, the straps do not open, making it harder to take a helmet off. If the straps opened, you could say it would have been a factor, the fact the straps remain shut means he would have had to put greater force into taking the helmet off Meade.

I cant see how the GAA can get past this one without suspending him. I'd rather they didnt. But at the same time the reason the rule is in is because it can cause serious injury to rip the helmet off someone, as Fanning found out when Stephen Banville did it a few years ago. What Gleeson did is the exact reason there is a rule for it. Why, with the week that was in it with De Burca, would he do something like that though. Utterly stupid. It'll be much less of a final without him in it.

I hope he plays, I just cant see how he can though.

OldMrBrennan83 · 14-08-2017 01:15PM

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Motivator · 14-08-2017 01:20PM

bruschi wrote: »

some serious clutching at straws. By accident?

And on a slightly different point that is also being brought up, it is no way comparable to the Tuohy incident. Tuohy was fending off Maher, he hit the ball forward and was pushing Maher back with his spare arm. His hand is at the back of Mahers helmet, but he doesnt make any grab at it. He does seem to wedge it a bit, but makes no motion to pull it or to clench his fingers into it. Mahers straps pop open then, probably due to Tuhy pushing against the helmet and Maher moving to get away from him. But it was in the play of the game, its not like Tuohy went looking to grab him by the helmet. It would be, to me, incidental contact with the helmet rather than intentional contact with the helmet.

Gleesons is the opposite. His hand is around Meades neck, and as he gets up, his palm is open raking up the side of his helmet. He then grabs the face guard and pulls the helmet clean off. Notably, the straps do not open, making it harder to take a helmet off. If the straps opened, you could say it would have been a factor, the fact the straps remain shut means he would have had to put greater force into taking the helmet off Meade.

I cant see how the GAA can get past this one without suspending him. I'd rather they didnt. But at the same time the reason the rule is in is because it can cause serious injury to rip the helmet off someone, as Fanning found out when Stephen Banville did it a few years ago. What Gleeson did is the exact reason there is a rule for it. Why, with the week that was in it with De Burca, would he do something like that though. Utterly stupid. It'll be much less of a final without him in it.

I hope he plays, I just cant see how he can though.

Banville stabbed Fanning with a jagged hurley, that's how his ear was injured.

Moggy13 · 14-08-2017 01:21PM

Patww79 wrote: »

If he didn't mean it then he was very unlucky that he closed his hand right when he did to grasp the faceguard. Can't see it really, it's as plain as day in the replay.

And definitely agree with above that there's zero comparison to be made with Tuohy. His was purely incidental.

Of course there's a comparison..both faceguards came off due to an opposing player

It was a daft thing to do and if we lose both Gleesons it will seriously scupper our chances come September

OldMrBrennan83 · 14-08-2017 01:24PM

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bruschi · 14-08-2017 01:28PM

Motivator wrote: »

Banville stabbed Fanning with a jagged hurley, that's how his ear was injured.

are you just making stuff up now or what? Fanning was injured by the helmet being removed. Banville wasnt even holding his hurl when the 2 of them were grappling with each other.

Utopia Parkway · 14-08-2017 01:30PM

Nobody wants lads missing All-Ireland finals but you either have rules and uphold them or you don't. The rulebook can't be an a la carte menu where you pick and choose.

The Gleeson helmet pull is easily the most blatant and clear cut of any of the recent incidents. It would be kinda ridiculous if he got away with it. That said he very well might but it would take an almighty fudge from the GAA.

danganabu · 14-08-2017 01:35PM

bruschi wrote: »

are you just making stuff up now or what? Fanning was injured by the helmet being removed. Banville wasnt even holding his hurl when the 2 of them were grappling with each other.

True, he did hit him with the hurl before the grappling but it wasn't what caused the injury and was no where near Fannings head.

That incident for the record has fcuk all to do with why this rule was brought in, which seems to be a common misconception on here and in some media outlets over the last few weeks. The rule was introduced as a result of a report/study that was done on the possible risk of head, neck and brain injuries from the impact on a players helmet.

American Football for example have had protocols on this for years.

PTH2009 · 14-08-2017 01:56PM

This years final is the last september Senior Hurling final for a few years anyway

Expect Galway by 5 but hoping to be proven wrong. My heart would be able for a close game

Will Fergal Horgan ref the final ???

Motivator · 14-08-2017 01:56PM

bruschi wrote: »

are you just making stuff up now or what? Fanning was injured by the helmet being removed. Banville wasnt even holding his hurl when the 2 of them were grappling with each other.

https://youtu.be/c-kAgXxge2o

Go to 45 seconds and then watch the jagged bit of the hurley being stuck in Fanning's ear.

munsterlegend · 14-08-2017 01:57PM

Right2Write wrote: »

?? You're implying that he wanted to get himself a straight red card? Why on earth would he do that? It's a fast moving game with arms and hurls everywhere. There are bound to be moments when hands come across helmets and catch them. Why would Gleeson in this instance think - I'm going to rip this chap's helmet off?

Players do stupid things on the pitch and forget the consequences. Look at Conor Gleeson which was even more brainless than Austin given the scoreline.

Austin was reckless and will probably be suspended.

Moggy13 · 14-08-2017 02:26PM

Patww79 wrote: »

The helmets both came off but there really isn't a comparison. The post above mine explains it better. It was blatant.

I really wish Gleeson would be playing in the final but not as much as I wish he hadn't been so stupid. And the whole build up all week about helmets, a teammate sitting on the line because of helmets, what was he thinking?

I agree it was blatant but the Tuohy incident was downplayed when compared to the de Burca incident which looked just as 'incidental'.

Only Gleeson knows what he was the thinking unfortunately.

KrustyUCC · 14-08-2017 02:54PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Going by the last few years They might have a very limited public sale the week of the final on tickets.ie but it might not happen this year

A lot of sponsors,ex players, GAA big guns etc get there cut. Clubs in Waterford, Galway and Cork will get a big %. Season ticket holders from Waterford/Galway who meet the criteria get tickets too

True but it's such a novel pairing that it will be a sell out imo

Clareman · 14-08-2017 02:55PM

Tickets will be like gold dust for this 1, 2 teams that haven't won it in a long time with serious chances of winning now, I'd be getting down to my local club and paying my membership ASAP in both counties

I think all Clare tickets will be going to Galway thanks to a long standing agreement between the counties.

PTH2009 · 14-08-2017 03:05PM

ill post the annual 'how All Ireland tickets are allocated' post

County allocations: 59,516 (57,553)
Provinces: 355 (355)
Overseas: 472 (472)
Central Council and former Presidents: 792 (788)
Camogie: 140 (140)
Ladies Football: 100 (100)
Rounders and Handball: 212 (212)
Sponsors: 994 (947)
Press: 254 (254)
TV and Radio: 74 (74)
Schools and Educational Bodies: 2229 (2229)
Third Level: 240 (240)
Croke Park Residents: 200 (200)
Match Officials and National Referees Panel: 148 (128)
Health Bodies and Irish Sports Council: 60 (60)
Match Day/Vertigo/Minor teams: 148 (148)
Staff and Sub Committees: 708 (698)
Jubilee Teams: 70 (70)
Mini Games: 230 (230)
Term Tickets: 2703 (4144)
Season Tickets: 1833 (2436)
Number available for distribution: 71,478 (71,478)
Premium and Corporate: 10,528 (10, 528)
Overall Capacity: 82,006 (82,006)

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/who-gets-all-ireland-tickets-allocation-346444

dr.kenneth noisewater · 14-08-2017 03:33PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

ill post the annual 'how All Ireland tickets are allocated' post

County allocations: 59,516 (57,553)
Provinces: 355 (355)
Overseas: 472 (472)
Central Council and former Presidents: 792 (788)
Camogie: 140 (140)
Ladies Football: 100 (100)
Rounders and Handball: 212 (212)
Sponsors: 994 (947)
Press: 254 (254)
TV and Radio: 74 (74)
Schools and Educational Bodies: 2229 (2229)
Third Level: 240 (240)
Croke Park Residents: 200 (200)
Match Officials and National Referees Panel: 148 (128)
Health Bodies and Irish Sports Council: 60 (60)
Match Day/Vertigo/Minor teams: 148 (148)
Staff and Sub Committees: 708 (698)
Jubilee Teams: 70 (70)
Mini Games: 230 (230)
Term Tickets: 2703 (4144)
Season Tickets: 1833 (2436)
Number available for distribution: 71,478 (71,478)
Premium and Corporate: 10,528 (10, 528)
Overall Capacity: 82,006 (82,006)

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/who-gets-all-ireland-tickets-allocation-346444

Must get involved in Rounders, seems a handy way to get a ticket!

PTH2009 · 14-08-2017 03:39PM

rumoured Ticket prices are almost in Ireland Rugby ticket price territory

KayJay86 · 14-08-2017 03:40PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

ill post the annual 'how All Ireland tickets are allocated' post

County allocations: 59,516 (57,553)
Provinces: 355 (355)
Overseas: 472 (472)
Central Council and former Presidents: 792 (788)
Camogie: 140 (140)
Ladies Football: 100 (100)
Rounders and Handball: 212 (212)
Sponsors: 994 (947)
Press: 254 (254)
TV and Radio: 74 (74)
Schools and Educational Bodies: 2229 (2229)
Third Level: 240 (240)
Croke Park Residents: 200 (200)
Match Officials and National Referees Panel: 148 (128)
Health Bodies and Irish Sports Council: 60 (60)
Match Day/Vertigo/Minor teams: 148 (148)
Staff and Sub Committees: 708 (698)
Jubilee Teams: 70 (70)
Mini Games: 230 (230)
Term Tickets: 2703 (4144)
Season Tickets: 1833 (2436)
Number available for distribution: 71,478 (71,478)
Premium and Corporate: 10,528 (10, 528)
Overall Capacity: 82,006 (82,006)

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/who-gets-all-ireland-tickets-allocation-346444

I wonder how they allocate 200 tickets to residents? Have they a ballot or something?

Realt Dearg Sec · 14-08-2017 03:40PM

The drawback is you'd have to play rounders.

C__MC · 14-08-2017 03:49PM

Never a problem getting hurling tickets, could be different this year with the novel pairing.

Just seen the podge Collins red in 2013 for the helmet pull, if he got red , gleeson has to.

Just wondering how diarmuid Connolly got off for the 2011 final? Did Donegal do him a favour that year in his appeal?

marvin80 · 14-08-2017 03:54PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

rumoured Ticket prices are almost in Ireland Rugby ticket price territory

What sort of price would this be? (Never attended a rugby match and don't intend to!!)

PTH2009 · 14-08-2017 03:55PM

marvin80 wrote: »

What sort of price would this be? (Never attended a rugby match and don't intend to!!)

Rugby tickets can be as dear as E90/E120 for a normal ticket for a championship game

Final tickets are rumoured to be E85/90

Poor_old_gill · 14-08-2017 04:02PM

When will a decision on A.Gleeson be made?

DoctaDee · 14-08-2017 04:03PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Rugby tickets can be as dear as E90/E120 for a normal ticket for a championship game

Final tickets are rumoured to be E85/90

AI Final tickets will remain the same as last year - hike of a fiver for both quarter & semis .. it'll be €80/40 for tickets

Bonniedog · 14-08-2017 04:08PM

KayJay86 wrote: »

I wonder how they allocate 200 tickets to residents? Have they a ballot or something?

Used to be a lot more than 200 as far as I can recall. There was a little huckster's shop that sold Hill tickets at inflated prices for the Hill when Dublin were playing.

I knew someone who lived three houses down from one of the exits for a few years, and they were not on the list, so I suspect it goes back to who was living there when deal was made.

I wonder are same safeguards employed to ensure that the resident tickets are not being black marketed?

buzzinfly83 · 14-08-2017 04:23PM

What's peoples opinions on the final. Galway will go in big favourites but does anyone give Waterford a chance. If the two Gleesons are out it looks like a really tough task.

All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

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