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Dairy chit chat II

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  • #3752
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,817 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    stanflt wrote: »
    Had my bord bia audit yesterday- lovely man and very easy to talk to- made the process very easy

    Hard to believe it was 18 months since the last one

    Think Glanbia are fining 5 cpl from sept for none audited farms

    Was he from Cavan? BB?


  • #3753
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭stanflt


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Was he from Cavan?

    Think he borders Cavan


  • #3754
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    New crush to go in. Which is better,

    A double sided crush or a wall on one side.

    I'm after the latter as it's going outside the parlour and I'm wondering could cows get freaked out if a lorry or car drives up beside them.
    At least with the wall they will only see the cows beside them nothing else

    It'll be used to draft cows into as space for a drafting system is limited


  • #3755
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    New crush to go in. Which is better,

    A double sided crush or a wall on one side.

    I'm after the latter as it's going outside the parlour and I'm wondering could cows get freaked out if a lorry or car drives up beside them.
    At least with the wall they will only see the cows beside them nothing else

    It'll be used to draft cows into as space for a drafting system is limited
    We have a double sided crush and the animals accessible from both sides, handy when that witch of an awkward muppet comes in for an injection or dose. No wall to hide her head.


  • #3756
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    We have a double sided crush and the animals accessible from both sides, handy when that witch of an awkward muppet comes in for an injection or dose. No wall to hide her head.

    This is where it's going. To the right of the railing thats there and that old railing is coming out.
    The lorry drives up there and reverses back to the where the tractor is.
    Have a walled crush ATM and it's a pain at times alright


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  • #3757
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,577 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    New crush to go in. Which is better,

    A double sided crush or a wall on one side.

    I'm after the latter as it's going outside the parlour and I'm wondering could cows get freaked out if a lorry or car drives up beside them.
    At least with the wall they will only see the cows beside them nothing else

    It'll be used to draft cows into as space for a drafting system is limited

    Have one crush here onside of shed against the wall, find it awkward ai'ing cows sometimes when they throw their arse against the wall. Will you be hoof paring in it cpuld be handy to access both sides


  • #3758
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,260 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    What might suit, is a mix of both, where the first animal or two can be accessed from both sides. This means having the front section running beyond the wall end.
    Have altered my own that way when extending. See a neighbour also where you can access the first few animals from both sides.


  • #3759
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    This is where it's going. To the right of the railing thats there and that old railing is coming out.
    The lorry drives up there and reverses back to the where the tractor is.
    Have a walled crush ATM and it's a pain at times alright
    One thing I would say is if you're leaving a space there where the cows are, leave it big enough that a tractor can scrape it out. We were stuck for space and had only 5 feet of a passage way then the crush and then a 10' passage way for all tractors and machinery which is tight enough for a Big M and future machinery probably isn't going to get smaller. And the passageway has to be hand scraped which is a pain.

    I was looking at putting a sorting gate in the middle of the crush and using the passageway out the crush as a holding bay for cows but I was advised against it by any crowd I was talking to. Something about confusing the cows by going the wrong way down the crush by one lad and another lot wanted to put it at the current entrance to the crush which would be awkward too.

    I sort my cows something like the setup you have there, with a holding yard outside the exit and as the cows come down the passage, I open the milking yard gate and separate the cows I want into the milking yard.


  • #3760
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,260 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Ouch!!!


  • #3761
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    One thing I would say is if you're leaving a space there where the cows are, leave it big enough that a tractor can scrape it out. We were stuck for space and had only 5 feet of a passage way then the crush and then a 10' passage way for all tractors and machinery which is tight enough for a Big M and future machinery probably isn't going to get smaller. And the passageway has to be hand scraped which is a pain.

    I was looking at putting a sorting gate in the middle of the crush and using the passageway out the crush as a holding bay for cows but I was advised against it by any crowd I was talking to. Something about confusing the cows by going the wrong way down the crush by one lad and another lot wanted to put it at the current entrance to the crush which would be awkward too.

    I sort my cows something like the setup you have there, with a holding yard outside the exit and as the cows come down the passage, I open the milking yard gate and separate the cows I want into the milking yard.

    Yeah the passage thats there now will be staying the same width.
    What I'm doing ATM is trying to hold back what ever cows are bulling into the last 2/3 rows, keep them rows and them manually sort out the cows.

    If I had the crush there I could put a drafting gate ran off air or a rope to direct what ever cows I needed into the crush and hold them in till end of milking. Should hold a 12 cow crush nicely


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  • #3762
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Was in eastern EU for a week and got back yesterday.
    Due to an elderly lady missing lately there were cops crawling all over the farm and buildings...I tipped a load of earth on a drainage channel that resulted in silage effluent making its way into the river. I was greeted by the water police, uniformed and armed, and a phalanx of government officials...seems that 100m of the river is mildly polluted and no fish killed.
    Jeez Arlo Gutherie's 'Alice's Restaurant' comes to mind...


  • #3763
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,577 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Gawddawggonnit wrote: »
    Was in eastern EU for a week and got back yesterday.
    Due to an elderly lady missing lately there were cops crawling all over the farm and buildings...I tipped a load of earth on a drainage channel that resulted in silage effluent making its way into the river. I was greeted by the water police, uniformed and armed, and a phalanx of government officials...seems that 100m of the river is mildly polluted and no fish killed.
    Jeez Arlo Gutherie's 'Alice's Restaurant' comes to mind...

    Surprised there is even effluent off silage over there. Neighbour had a land inspection yday but got 3 days notice I think. Had a nitrates one here last year and will have lads out finding badgers I guess in the next few weeks. Have ye many cross compliance inspections over there? If imagine unless a tank was literally flowing into a river guards here wouldn't take much notice


  • #3764
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Surprised there is even effluent off silage over there. Neighbour had a land inspection yday but got 3 days notice I think. Had a nitrates one here last year and will have lads out finding badgers I guess in the next few weeks. Have ye many cross compliance inspections over there? If imagine unless a tank was literally flowing into a river guards here wouldn't take much notice

    Sure there isn't any effluent here either Moo but some soiled water did make its way into the river (which I promptly pumped back onto land!), so guilty...

    Jonny foreigner is about to feel the weight of the book being thrown at him.

    Well used to inspections here because we're an easy target. There's supposed to be a delegation of Chinese here next week...methinks that won't happen now!


  • #3765
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,577 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Once the price is right and the supply there the Chinese wouldn't be too worried on it say. Shir the nz lads are only fencing off the rivers from stock now not amind tackling their N leaching problems


  • #3766
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Mod note; 5k for milkers on social welfare has got it's own thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=104279694#post104279694

    I have moved out any relevant posts from here.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #3767
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Gawddawggonnit wrote: »
    Was in eastern EU for a week and got back yesterday.
    Due to an elderly lady missing lately there were cops crawling all over the farm and buildings...I tipped a load of earth on a drainage channel that resulted in silage effluent making its way into the river. I was greeted by the water police, uniformed and armed, and a phalanx of government officials...seems that 100m of the river is mildly polluted and no fish killed.
    Jeez Arlo Gutherie's 'Alice's Restaurant' comes to mind...

    Were they taking the 24 8x10 colour photographs with the numbers on the back?


  • #3768
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    So after a long time I think I've finally decided what I want to do with the parlour.

    Currently milking on one side only at 50 degrees, where I temporarily extended the cow standing from it's original 5 foot 6" - the building is 16'9" curved roof with originally a Herringbone 6 and a decent enough six foot pit. 50 on two sides would leave the pit under 4 foot which is a pain with jars, which I want to keep.

    Had been thinking of changing the roof to get the feeders higher and moving one of the walls to widen the pit and go fifty degrees on both sides... but after a lot of mind changing am actually more or less settled on the idea of going back to the old dimensions altogether - putting 2 x 5 jars (maybe doubled), a zig zag 30 degree rump rail and a single straight stainless steel trough with an adjustable breast rail. Went to see Eamonn Houlihan the other day and he seems to think it will work fine, along with some additional steel to protect the feeders. Considered headlocks but because I still have a couple milking with horns thought it might be more hassle than it is worth.

    Firstly, am I mad to go back to 30 degrees and 3ft centres, even given that it is only 5 a side?

    and Secondly, will the zig zag and the breast rail be enough to keep them steady and well behaved or should I be putting some sort of divide between the feeders - not sure how feasible that is with a single straight trough... also once I have the stallwork done I want to position things so that I can still milk through the back legs... if that is possible...


  • #3769
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭stanflt


    Clonkility got the better of me


  • #3770
    yewtree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭yewtree


    stanflt wrote: »
    Clonkility got the better of me


    best of luck with it, is it getting late for over seeding?


  • #3771
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭stanflt


    yewtree wrote: »
    best of luck with it, is it getting late for over seeding?

    Sowed as late as 10 sept last yr with no prob


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  • #3772
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    stanflt wrote: »
    Clonkility got the better of me
    I know it's a stupid question but is that an ostrich in front of the tractor:confused:


  • #3773
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    I know it's a stupid question but is that an ostrich in front of the tractor:confused:

    It's a camel.:pac:


  • #3774
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭stanflt


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    I know it's a stupid question but is that an ostrich in front of the tractor:confused:


    It's a bit of dirt ted - I'm not a racist no father


  • #3775
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,817 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Neighbour is going to take bales off 35 acres of my silage block. It was cut 3weeks ago and I put fertiliser on it. He will cut in 2-3 weeks. What do I charge him. He will do all mowing and baling himself


  • #3776
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,260 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Have a field similar, thinking of €50 + fert/acre? Really helpful Q, Whelan.


  • #3777
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,731 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Water John wrote: »
    Have a field similar, thinking of €50 + fert/acre? Really helpful Q, Whelan.

    I've 12 acres of surplus after grass ,5 weeks growth sold for z grazing to be cut next week 65 an acre .


  • #3778
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    kowtow wrote: »
    Were they taking the 24 8x10 colour photographs with the numbers on the back?

    The works Kowtow.

    I'm just hoping that the Judge will turn up in court with a 'seein eye dog'....


  • #3779
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,817 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    I've 12 acres of surplus after grass ,5 weeks growth sold for z grazing to be cut next week 65 an acre .

    Would pay for a nice holiday


  • #3780
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    No hope of flogging on the likes of that around here ha. Got too much silage here, and will probably end up baling more in 2wks, load on afew extra cows next year is the only solution lol.


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  • #3781
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,577 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    took feck all of a surplus here yet really, delayed silage cuts the main reason. We either had too much rain when silage was due to be cut or weeks at a time dry. strange summer here not worst or best just kinda feast or famine job with growth. Some lads with a low stocking rate ended up with a good bit extra silage and those with higher ones have nothing extra over normal


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