Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

ThinkProgress · 31-07-2017 12:20PM

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

ThinkProgress relating to athleticism of wrestlers: You can see this in the UFC

I took it that he didn't view them as having great athleticism in areas of UFC that are not wrestling specific or related.

Thanks... I thought it was quite easy to understand that too!

Mellor · 31-07-2017 01:35PM

Draw

walshb wrote: »

But it wasn't what he meant. I interpreted it.

ThinkProgress relating to athleticism of wrestlers: You can see this in the UFC

I took it that he didn't view them as having great athleticism in areas of UFC that are not wrestling specific or related.

The post I quoted was also talking about wrestlers in their wrestling careers, not simply wrestlers in the UFC.

I'm paraphrasing here, but it was something like "Wrestlers don't have much athletism. If they join the UFC they start working on it then".
I just thought it's a bizzare view. They are different sports.

walshb · 31-07-2017 01:45PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Mellor wrote: »

The post I quoted was also talking about wrestlers in their wrestling careers, not simply wrestlers in the UFC.

I'm paraphrasing here, but it was something like "Wrestlers don't have much athletism. If they join the UFC they start working on it then".
I just thought it's a bizzare view. They are different sports.

Well, I think all considered the poster didn't intent to flat out say that wrestlers were not athletic.

You mentioned them needing a much bigger cardio system/engine compared to boxers...

I don't agree with that. They have a different cardio engine requirement and make up, that's all. Stamina sapping wise pro boxing is every bit as much as pro wrestling.

Mellor · 31-07-2017 01:53PM

Draw

ThinkProgress wrote: »

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You cannot just remove the specific conditioning from those striking skills... both are intrinsically linked together!

Where did I say they weren't related?

If you don't have the conditioning to performed the intensity of [insert sport], you're technical ability will breakdown.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of sport where that maxim doesn't apply.

DC's physical attributes would never really allow him to mix it as an elite level MMA striker in a 5 round fight... with someone like JJ... he did remarkably well to somewhat pull it off for as long as he did. (but it clearly depleted him a lot by the time of the KO)

He's not without his flaws, but DC is a fastastic fighter. He just has the unfortunate luck to be stuck* in GOAT's division.

*for now

(you can see this in striking sports such as kickboxing and Muay Thai... where guys regularly survive heavy kicks such as those)

Regularly at flyweight and surrounding divisions sure.
But at Heavyweight, not so much, KO's are pretty common. The only reliable way to survive that kick at HW would be not get hit imo.

Part of the process of gaining those high level striking skills, is also gaining the physical attributes and conditioning to actually perform them well enough within the energy-sapping intensity and speed of a fight.

Agreed.
You can't learn martial arts, (at least any of the effective ones

) from books or watching videos. It requires physically putting in the reps.

Mellor · 31-07-2017 03:00PM

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Well, I think all considered the poster didn't intent to flat out say that wrestlers were not athletic.

Maybe not, but I can only reply to what's posted. Flicking through a few days worth, that one stood out as bizzare. And tbf, I did say that it was out of sorts with his usual logical posting. Point clarified not anyway.

You mentioned them needing a much bigger cardio system/engine compared to boxers...

I don't agree with that. They have a different cardio engine requirement and make up, that's all. Stamina sapping wise pro boxing is every bit as much as pro wrestling.

I think you are misinterpreting my car/engine analogy. Cardio as a whole is too multi-faceted to be quantified in terms as simple as "bigger", "greater", etc. By engine I was referring to cardio power output, (moften called intensity (not to be confused with difficulty). I suppose stamina would be the gas tank in that analogy.

The higher the power output, the shorter duration it can be maintained for. I differebt sports aside, that's just human physiology.
It's difficult compare two different activities. So the best example is probably running due to the different distances/intensities. That the 1500m and the 10km. The elite guys in each have fantastic cardio abilities. They adjust their power output/intensity to match the distance, crossing the line close to the limit. But neither race is inherently "easier" than the other.

walshb · 31-07-2017 03:18PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Mellor wrote: »

Maybe not, but I can only reply to what's posted. Flicking through a few days worth, that one stood out as bizzare. And tbf, I did say that it was out of sorts with his usual logical posting. Point clarified not anyway.

I think you are misinterpreting my car/engine analogy. Cardio as a whole is too multi-faceted to be quantified in terms as simple as "bigger", "greater", etc. By engine I was referring to cardio power output, (moften called intensity (not to be confused with difficulty). I suppose stamina would be the gas tank in that analogy.

The higher the power output, the shorter duration it can be maintained for. I differebt sports aside, that's just human physiology.
It's difficult compare two different activities. So the best example is probably running due to the different distances/intensities. That the 1500m and the 10km. The elite guys in each have fantastic cardio abilities. They adjust their power output/intensity to match the distance, crossing the line close to the limit. But neither race is inherently "easier" than the other.

Got ya!

Frank Bullitt · 31-07-2017 06:25PM

Floyd via DQ

25 Euro for the fight with Sky, not bad if there is a decent under card.

hbhook · 31-07-2017 07:28PM

Floyd via DQ

Gintonious wrote: »

25 Euro for the fight with Sky, not bad if there is a decent under card.

So that's not even a mark-up right? Sky's PPV price went up slightly in the last year I think.
It looks like Gervonta Davis will be facing Roman Martinez on the undercard. Very meh but they won't have to pay him much to get beat up.

Man Vs ManUre · 31-07-2017 08:43PM

Conor via DQ

The Notorious will win this Easy. Why do most on here think otherwise?? I read about 2 pages back can't be bothered reading any more.

walshb · 31-07-2017 08:49PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

The Notorious will win this Easy. Why do most on here think otherwise?? I read about 2 pages back can't be bothered reading any more.

Love it...not even a sniff of disguise!

Man Vs ManUre · 31-07-2017 08:54PM

Conor via DQ

How do you reply to posts on this yoke?? I mean where it highlights the other post on top. Not just a regular post like this one will show as.

Sweet Science · 31-07-2017 09:05PM

Conor on points

https://youtu.be/qcf8E4Cokb8

Didn't think Paulie would be so honest but fair play to him I suppose .

Danzy · 31-07-2017 10:15PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

The Notorious will win this Easy. Why do most on here think otherwise?? I read about 2 pages back can't be bothered reading any more.

He will win this, money wise. He'll have a battered face and a small chance of winning though.

It is not disrespectful of him to say he has a small chance of winning. Floyd would have zero chances of making it past the first round in MMA, absolutely Zero, even to people McGregor would be far above.

Henry Shefflin at Wimbledon, he can hit the ball faster and harder than most but wrong setting.

If there was one person though who could pull it out of a Ducks arse it would be McGregor.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 01-08-2017 08:57AM

Floyd via DQ

Sweet Science wrote: »

https://youtu.be/qcf8E4Cokb8

Didn't think Paulie would be so honest but fair play to him I suppose .

Fairly complimentary for McGregor to be fair.

Sweet Science · 01-08-2017 09:14AM

Conor on points

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Fairly complimentary for McGregor to be fair.

Thought he would of bigged him up a lot more

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 01-08-2017 09:19AM

Floyd via DQ

Sweet Science wrote: »

Thought he would of bigged him up a lot more

Why? Doesn't make sense for him to make **** up for the media. He still said that McGregor has power that needs to be respected.

3 the square · 01-08-2017 10:17AM

What time is fight on telle ??

ThinkProgress · 01-08-2017 11:56AM

Floyd via DQ

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Why? Doesn't make sense for him to make **** up for the media. He still said that McGregor has power that needs to be respected.

Oh, that's just it though... He is clearly being very honest in that clip. Which is worrying, if you were hoping Conor might be able to KO Floyd...

He says Conor has respectable power, but that it most likely won't knock you out...

He compared Conor's power, to Amir Imam (who he sparred with for over a year - with the same size gloves)

Imam is roughly the same height and a small bit lighter than Conor... Paulie rates Imam's punching power as "OMG power!!"...

I'm pretty sure Conor will need more than just respectable power, if he wants any hope of KO-ing a guy, who has never really even been knocked down by a hard punch... never mind being KO'd by one!!

This is the point I made earlier in the thread, about people thinking Conor just needs to find a way to land clean with that big left.... But what if he does land clean, and his punch is not "OMG power" in a boxing ring??

Any tiny hope Conor has, rests on the notion that his left hand has one punch KO power in a boxing ring.... according to Paulie, he doesn't have that kind of power!!

walshb · 01-08-2017 12:04PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Conor does not throw OMG boxing power punches. Not that I have seen.

Two things I have noticed. He doesn't have the delivery snap/speed and nor does he have the positioning and mechanics of a KO boxer shooter.

Fair enough if he gets Floyd to stand still while he takes a free shot, but you could say that about literally millions of men on this planet!

GerryDerpy · 01-08-2017 12:59PM

Conor via DQ

Precision beats power. McGregor has good punching technique and respectable power (Pauline's words). If that lands on an unsuspecting chin then it hurts enough.

This has been said before, McGregor rarely KOs people in MMA, he drops them and the ref stops the fight. I can only remember Aldo being KO'd stiff in Conor's UFC career.

hbhook · 01-08-2017 01:09PM

Floyd via DQ

Thomas Hauser says the same thing about punch technique and positioning in regards to boxing in a recent article on ringtv.com.
It also seems that ringtv have also completely blocked off all non subscribers. Unless I've used up my allowance and'or they're also tracking the browsers I use.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 01-08-2017 01:54PM

Floyd via DQ

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Precision beats power. McGregor has good punching technique and respectable power (Pauline's words). If that lands on an unsuspecting chin then it hurts enough.

This has been said before, McGregor rarely KOs people in MMA, he drops them and the ref stops the fight. I can only remember Aldo being KO'd stiff in Conor's UFC career.

McGregor has good punching technique for MMA, whether it transfers to boxing will be interesting to see. IMO I don't think he lands any clean on Floyd's chin and even if he does I don't think he has enough to knock Floyd down never mind out.

walshb · 01-08-2017 02:00PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

His issue I feel will be that he won't deliver the "out of the blue" shot on Floyd. That is what can KO the likes of Floyd and plenty others. Mosley delivered a couple in rd 2, but Mayweather rode them very slightly and survived them...

Conor's delivery too slow....

Sweet Science · 01-08-2017 02:02PM

Conor on points

walshb wrote: »

His issue I feel will be that he won't deliver the "out of the blue" shot on Floyd. That is what can KO the likes of Floyd and plenty others. Mosley delivered a couple in rd 2, but Mayweather rode them very slightly and survived them...

Conor's delivery too slow....

Yeah i think we may see Floyd show off a little/lot

Frank Bullitt · 01-08-2017 04:13PM

Floyd via DQ

Jason Quiggley was on Sky Sports, he says "Conor McGregor is gonna knock Floyd Mayweather cold".

He follows that up with "Conor believes it, I believe it and Ireland believes it", the last part gave me a chuckle.

He says that the stuff they go through in MMA, elbows and knees and stuff like that, plays in McGregors favour because it is harder on the body, and that Floyd doesn't have the power to hurt him.

We know who he is supporting anyway.

walshb · 01-08-2017 04:15PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

And secretly he is hoping (and knowing) that Floyd dominates Conor.

Frank Bullitt · 01-08-2017 04:17PM

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

And secretly he is hoping (and knowing) that Floyd dominates Conor.

Him and Conor are good pals, right?

Sweet Science · 01-08-2017 04:18PM

Conor on points

He done the same a few days after it was announced aswel . He struggled to keep a straight face that time . Even liked posts of twitter poking fun at him

GerryDerpy · 01-08-2017 06:30PM

Conor via DQ

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

McGregor has good punching technique for MMA, whether it transfers to boxing will be interesting to see. IMO I don't think he lands any clean on Floyd's chin and even if he does I don't think he has enough to knock Floyd down never mind out.

Fairly sure he sparred Pauline in Boxing. Don't think kinetic energy knows what sport it is used in.

normanoffside · 01-08-2017 06:40PM

Floyd via DQ

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Fairly sure he sparred Pauline in Boxing. Don't think kinetic energy knows what sport it is used in.

Paulie says that Conor hits nowhere near as hard as Amir Imam.

Imam is a pro boxer. Do you think he beats Floyd?

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