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Would you be ok with white Irish becoming a minority?

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    #692
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,057 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    That Pension is a myth.

    Just remember you will have to work till you die just so some people can sit on their hole all day watching tv.

    It will be in next generation people will go wtf were we thinking?


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    #693
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/senators-seek-expanded-family-reunification-rights-for-refugees-1.3160124

    One has to wonder whats next .Do voters matter anymore .The grandparents can come too . Pension time bomb is that just a myth ?

    From the article above:
    "Several Senators have launched a Bill to allow refugees to bring their grandparents, cousins, nephews, nieces and siblings to Ireland by expanding the reunification programme."

    While it doesn't surprise me that Sinn Fein and Labour are supporting this bill, but Fianna Fail is supporting it too. I expect a sizeable number of Fianna Fail voters already voicing their concerns to their local officials. While the argument may be that for now the numbers are small, but with the increasing numbers arriving it could quickly become exponential.

    I'm sure many of you are seeing the regular footage of the Irish Navy ferrying African migrants to Europe and while the footage is heart wrenching, the reality is that these migrants will have to be settled somewhere other the EU countries of arrival. Expect Ireland to be "encouraged" by Merkel to take in a good deal more economic migrants in the near future, and without a doubt Ireland will accede to this request.


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    #694
    RandomName2
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    From the article above:
    "Several Senators have launched a Bill to allow refugees to bring their grandparents, cousins, nephews, nieces and siblings to Ireland by expanding the reunification programme."

    Why limit it to just distant blood relations, why not have it extended to anybody the person knew in the country of origin?


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    #695
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Kivaro wrote: »
    And in the meantime, let's spend Irish tax payer money on the Algerian-born man who was charged with terrorism offences in a federal court in Philadelphia on Friday. Irish embassy officials in America are providing consular assistance at the moment.

    Or how about prioritising healthcare concerns e.g. instead of flying a doctor to Egypt to make sure Ibrahim Halawa's 500 day hunger strike is not having an adverse affect him, how about flying a specialist down to Waterford or Limerick and do something about the long waiting lists that children have to endure for scoliosis treatment?

    The new liberal Ireland is a strange place.


    there is plenty of money for all the issues. nothing to do with supposed liberal anything. ireland has obligations to follow including to it's citizens abroad, hence why ibraham is receiving the relevant visits that are required. the "why don't they spend the money on something else" arguement is an invalid argument as budgetary realities mean once the money is budgeted for a certain thing it has to be spent on it.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #696
    Galwayguy35
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    rgossip30 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/senators-seek-expanded-family-reunification-rights-for-refugees-1.3160124

    One has to wonder whats next .Do voters matter anymore .The grandparents can come too . Pension time bomb is that just a myth ?

    FFS that's just ridiculous, bunch of unelected tossers and their bright ideas that working people have to foot the bill for.

    Sure we might as well take in the whole of syria and North Africa while we're at it.

    I voted to get rid of that waste of money Senate, unfortunately there was enough of fools in the country with a vote to save it.


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    #697
    BalcombeSt4
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    Danzy wrote: »
    As is Lenin, the Russian Angel of Death, a man who helped over throw a tyranny but started an even more brutal one.

    Mein Kampf and the collected works of Lenin belong in the bin, too alike in all the wrong ways.

    I agree with that sort of. This is pretty much Chomsky's position on the Russian revolution. He argued that Leninism re-designed the Tsarists forms of terror and oppression more effectively (KGB , Checka) and was a precursor to latter forms of totalitarianism. But he also argued after the October coup/revolution nothing like Socialism existed in Russia.


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    #698
    rgossip30
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    end of the road wrote: »
    there is plenty of money for all the issues. nothing to do with supposed liberal anything. ireland has obligations to follow including to it's citizens abroad, hence why ibraham is receiving the relevant visits that are required. the "why don't they spend the money on something else" arguement is an invalid argument as budgetary realities mean once the money is budgeted for a certain thing it has to be spent on it.

    Was the visits to ibhram in the budget ? Suggest you budget for it . Do other irish citizens in prison get this attention NO .


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    #699
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,235 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    Was the visits to ibhram in the budget ? Suggest you budget for it . Do other citizens in prison get this attention NO .

    Other irish citizens in prison abroad do get consular assistance. Why wouldn't they?


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    #700
    rgossip30
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Other irish citizens in prison abroad do get consular assistance. Why wouldn't they?

    Not to the same extent as ibhram . Does consular assistance include visits by a Minister , 8 TD's and putting pressure on Egyptian authorities to proceed with the trial .

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ibrahim-halawa-group-of-tds-to-visit-prisoner-in-egypt-in-days-1.2928070


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    #701
    ohnonotgmail
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    rgossip30 wrote: »
    Not to the same extent as ibhram . Does consular assistance include visits by a Minister , TD's and putting pressure on Egyptian authorities to proceed with the trial .

    visits by TDs are not consular assistance. As much as i dislike everything he stands for he has been held on remand for over three years now. If he was white and photogenic i imagine he would have received a lot more assistance.


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    #702
    rgossip30
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    visits by TDs are not consular assistance. As much as i dislike everything he stands for he has been held on remand for over three years now. If he was white and photogenic i imagine he would have received a lot more assistance.

    http://irelandtodaynews.com/index.php/just-bring-me-home-asks-eanna-who-says-im-innocent/

    This Irishman has been forgotten about .


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    #703
    end of the road
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    rgossip30 wrote: »
    Was the visits to ibhram in the budget ?

    it would come under the consular assistance aspect of the foreign afairs budget. it wouldn't be mentioned as part of the budget.
    rgossip30 wrote: »
    Suggest you budget for it.

    i can't, i don't set the budget for the country.
    rgossip30 wrote: »
    Do other irish citizens in prison get this attention NO .

    prisoners abroad receive consular assistance.
    rgossip30 wrote: »
    http://irelandtodaynews.com/index.php/just-bring-me-home-asks-eanna-who-says-im-innocent/

    This Irishman has been forgotten about .

    do something about it so. write to your local td

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #704
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,235 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    http://todaynews.com/index.php/just-bring-me-home-asks-eanna-who-says-im-innocent/

    This man has been forgotten about .

    Forgotten about by who?


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    #705
    rgossip30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Forgotten about by who?

    Politicians and the media . You are going off topic .


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    #706
    rgossip30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    end of the road wrote: »
    it would come under the consular assistance aspect of the foreign afairs budget. it wouldn't be mentioned as part of the budget.

    prisoners abroad receive consular assistance.



    do something about it so. write to your local td

    I know prisioners abroad receive consular assistance thanks .You appear to be trying to drag this out for some reason and are going off topic ?


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    #707
    Sand
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    From the article above:
    "Several Senators have launched a Bill to allow refugees to bring their grandparents, cousins, nephews, nieces and siblings to Ireland by expanding the reunification programme."

    While it doesn't surprise me that Sinn Fein and Labour are supporting this bill, but Fianna Fail is supporting it too. I expect a sizeable number of Fianna Fail voters already voicing their concerns to their local officials. While the argument may be that for now the numbers are small, but with the increasing numbers arriving it could quickly become exponential.

    I'm sure many of you are seeing the regular footage of the Irish Navy ferrying African migrants to Europe and while the footage is heart wrenching, the reality is that these migrants will have to be settled somewhere other the EU countries of arrival. Expect Ireland to be "encouraged" by Merkel to take in a good deal more economic migrants in the near future, and without a doubt Ireland will accede to this request.

    I don't understand the family reunification argument. Immigration is only largely beneficial when it introduces highly skilled or otherwise useful people to a country. Their grandparents, aunts, uncles and so on are just dead weight - no skills and no language.

    Refugees are a special consideration, but the definition of refugee has been watered down to the extent that it seems to be applied to anyone from a country that you might visit but probably wouldn't want to live in yourself. Economic migrants are increasingly painted as refugees. If a persons extended family are patiently waiting for them back home to be summoned to Ireland then I would question if the situation really is that dire. Asylum should be temporary - the aim should be to offer immediate humanitarian sanctuary, and then to return the refugees to their homeland as soon as the immediate danger has passed so they can rebuild their homes. Transiting even more people out just makes that end goal even more difficult to attain.

    Sweden still has refugees from the Bosnian war, more than 20 years from the end of that conflict.


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    #708
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,235 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    Politicians and the media .

    did you read the article? the DFA has been in contact with the phillipine authorities. Given Duertes crackdown on drug crime i cant imagine they are keen to release a convicted drug offender early.


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    #709
    rgossip30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    did you read the article? the DFA has been in contact with the phillipine authorities. Given Duertes crackdown on drug crime i cant imagine they are keen to release a convicted drug offender early.

    That was in Novemeber 2016 nothing recent and it was just raised in the dail . Still off topic


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    #710
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,235 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    That was in Novemeber 2016 nothing recent . Still off topic

    why bring it up then?


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    #711
    rgossip30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    why bring it up then?

    Why do you continue with this its way off topic ?


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    #712
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users Posts: 4,823 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    FFS that's just ridiculous, bunch of unelected tossers and their bright ideas that working people have to foot the bill for.

    Sure we might as well take in the whole of syria and North Africa while we're at it.

    I voted to get rid of that waste of money Senate, unfortunately there was enough of fools in the country with a vote to save it.

    offtopic...yes I was gutted when our sophisticated electorate voted to keep the senators in clover. In fairness, I remember they seemed to made a great noise in the media around then showing how "relevant" the senate is...then went into hibernation once the sinecure wasn't threatened by the voting plebs any more.

    edit: though I'm kind of leaning towards opinion that all the humanitarian wealthy countries with ships (naval or NGO) active in the Mediterranean should be taking a migrant + all of their extended family home (to whatever country they hail from) every time they foist one on Italy or Greece. Wonder how long it would be before their rescuing came to a halt if that policy were implemented?


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    #713
    RandomName2
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    fly_agaric wrote: »
    edit: though I'm kind of leaning towards opinion that all the humanitarian wealthy countries with ships (naval or NGO) active in the Mediterranean should be taking a migrant + all of their extended family home (to whatever country they hail from) every time they foist one on Italy or Greece. Wonder how long it would be before their rescuing came to a halt if that policy were implemented?

    I can't quite work out the rationale for the current situation. Is Germany hoping to increase the economic burden on Greece and Italy in order to keep them closer (in terms of EU unity). Maybe seen as a solution to aging population of Europe to replace with African/ Asian migrants? I don't really get it.

    Fun fact - Kosovo is the second highest exporter of refugees to Europe, even though it's actually got a higher level of development than some other European countries.


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    #714
    FraR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 69 ✭✭FraR


    Will we get casinos?


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    #715
    topper75
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    visits by TDs are not consular assistance. As much as i dislike everything he stands for he has been held on remand for over three years now. If he was white and photogenic i imagine he would have received a lot more assistance.

    And if my auntie had balls,...

    He was involved with a political outfit there shouting Allah u akbar through a megaphone on a stage in front of a crowd. Stop pretending it was some kind of misfortune. The Irish state has no obligation to him when he made his bed like that. No such thing as shamrock immunity.


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    #716
    topper75
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    FraR wrote: »
    Will we get casinos?

    Why don't you get down to Fort Ballyhaunis and offer them some furs? They might give you firewater.
    Then again, maybe not.


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    #717
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,235 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    topper75 wrote: »
    And if my auntie had balls,...

    He was involved with a political outfit there shouting Allah u akbar through a megaphone on a stage in front of a crowd. Stop pretending it was some kind of misfortune. The Irish state has no obligation to him when he made his bed like that. No such thing as shamrock immunity.


    I am under no such pretense. I have made my feelings on him quite clear on the thread dedicated. Do me a favour and try to actually respond to what is posted rather than what happens to be going through your head at the time.


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    #718
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Anyone who can defend a terrorist deserves no time. I don't think many even here are like that, I hope


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    #719
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    topper75 wrote: »
    And if my auntie had balls,...

    He was involved with a political outfit there shouting Allah u akbar through a megaphone on a stage in front of a crowd. Stop pretending it was some kind of misfortune. The Irish state has no obligation to him when he made his bed like that. No such thing as shamrock immunity.


    wrong the irish state has obligations to irish citizens. those obligations operate equal to all as that is the fairist way.
    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Anyone who can defend a terrorist deserves no time. I don't think many even here are like that, I hope

    he isn't a terrorist. he also hasn't been found guilty of anything. as much as i don't like what he believes in either those are the facts.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #720
    A Little Pony
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    No I wouldn't. I don't think as Irish people we should accept it.


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    #721
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,057 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    end of the road wrote: »
    wrong the irish state has obligations to irish citizens. those obligations operate equal to all as that is the fairist way.



    he isn't a terrorist. he also hasn't been found guilty of anything. as much as i don't like what he believes in either those are the facts.

    But he supports one and for all we know he might have been about to. His family history is far from clean.

    They are the worrying facts


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