2018 Leaf

bk · 26-07-2017 12:06AM

unkel wrote: »

And the last thing you want to do after an exhausting day's hiking is having to worry about where to charge

I take the Porsche when going for a hike

In fairness, you wouldn't have any problems making it to anywhere in Wicklow and back. It is just further afield that gets a bit ropey.

I was just looking at the ESB eCars map and there is a real lacking of CCS chargers outside of the main motorways.

Also I'm quiet surprised by the lack of any chargers at all in North Dublin City! Just Drumcondra and Clontarf and a big hole up as far as the M50!

ABC101 · 26-07-2017 01:27AM

Well Boys and Girls,

Regardless if there is a quantum jump in battery power / weight ratio, or a massive jump in the number of charge points.... it would appear change is a coming... ready or not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730134/All-petrol-diesel-cars-banned-2040.html

Change in the UK that is!!

grogi · 26-07-2017 07:24AM

ABC101 wrote: »

Well Boys and Girls,

Regardless if there is a quantum jump in battery power / weight ratio, or a massive jump in the number of charge points.... it would appear change is a coming... ready or not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730134/All-petrol-diesel-cars-banned-2040.html

Change in the UK that is!!

That's 25 years from now... I probably have ten different cars by ten...

Nevertheless it is awesome that the policy is being set right now.

bk · 26-07-2017 09:40AM

While it is a long time, it certainly sets a tone that leaves car companies no choice but to respond to and prepare for.

Ireland has actually proposed for the same for 2030, which is probably a little too aggressive. Though I think that may still allow for plug-in hybrids.

Either way, whatever the UK does we will have to follow. Our markets are closely joined for obvious reasons.

unkel · 26-07-2017 10:01AM

bk wrote: »

Either way, whatever the UK does we will have to follow. Our markets are closely joined for obvious reasons.

Not for much longer

grogi · 26-07-2017 10:20AM

unkel wrote: »

Not for much longer

They still will be, unless we switch LHD.

positron · 26-07-2017 10:23AM

grogi wrote:

They still will be, unless we switch LHD.

Thats the really scary part of Brexit - Ireland will have to defend a lot of non-standard (from EU point of view) all by itself.

goz83 · 26-07-2017 10:39AM

positron wrote: »

Thats the really scary part of Brexit - Ireland will have to defend a lot of non-standard (from EU point of view) all by itself.

What would be the problem there? Aside from insurance companies gouging us for driving OLD RHD cars. Would a bigger market not then be opened up to us? It takes all but 2 minutes to adjust to driving on the other side of the road, though I must admit...I prefer RHD.

grogi · 26-07-2017 10:41AM

goz83 wrote: »

What would be the problem there? Aside from insurance companies gouging us for driving OLD RHD cars. Would a bigger market not then be opened up to us? It takes all but 2 minutes to adjust to driving on the other side of the road, though I must admit...I prefer RHD.

Just imagine old Joe from the fields did not get the memo

positron · 26-07-2017 10:54AM

goz83 wrote: »

What would be the problem there? Aside from insurance companies gouging us for driving OLD RHD cars. Would a bigger market not then be opened up to us? It takes all but 2 minutes to adjust to driving on the other side of the road, though I must admit...I prefer RHD.

I was referring to having to defend LHT, or the three pin plug for instance, bulb fittings (e22/b22) etc and who knows how many more less known differences exist between standards and practices between us and rest of Europe.

On the plus side, the earlier we all switch to metric system properly the better - but that's hard with the omnipresent US (cultural) influence in the English speaking world.

josip · 26-07-2017 12:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The Leaf shows too many signs of the old car and is basically a recycled version, nothing wrong with that but it shouldn't be called Leaf II, what they could have done instead was re-brand the Leaf as something else and release a real Leaf II that is a dedicated EV platform and not another ICE conversion which after 8 years is pretty shocking.

Is the original Leaf design old enough to be given to Dacia at this stage?

Water John · 26-07-2017 01:03PM

Sweden Sept 3 1967, change to LHD. Could we do it?

ABC101 · 26-07-2017 01:06PM

Water John wrote: »

Sweden Sept 3 1967, change to LHD. Could we do it?

Perhaps when all vehicles are self driving / autonomous etc?

grogi · 26-07-2017 01:06PM

Water John wrote: »

Sweden Sept 3 1967, change to LHD. Could we do it?

You know how it would end?! "THIS IS A GOVERNMENT SCAM TO GET OUR MONEY!"

26-07-2017 01:25PM

bk wrote: »

Yeah, but starting at 41k, ouch!

For that money I think I'd prefer to get a Model 3.

Go again mate,add another 10K !!! around 51K for a decent spec Rex after grant and vrt .

The 33 Kwh though has ok range I clocked about 175 Kms before the Rex kicked in at about 110 kph.

The Ioniq would make the better ev, more efficient and much faster charging but the I3 is a lot more fun "a lot" and a lot higher quality.

Can't wait to see Leaf II and get the specs but it's not going to be much fun either.

My lease expires in January so not waiting another nearly 2 years for a Model 3.

36K for entry I3 33 Kwh, yes expensive, but did I say it was a lot of fun ? surely i didn't !

listermint · 26-07-2017 01:42PM

Lots of new Leaf Information here - including spy snaps and some range information

26-07-2017 02:00PM

Yeah saw that on FB Group last night. Not any more then 40 Kwh by the looks of it.

26-07-2017 02:03PM

To be honest I'm not too interested in just 40 Kwh,

So my two options, BEV I3 or wait another year and renegotiate a cheaper lease.

positron · 26-07-2017 02:11PM

Great video, well made and right to the point.

So we are talking about a 40KwH that can do 300 km as baseline? I wonder if this is their answer to Ioniq? It could be alright if it's priced same or less than Ioniq (25k). I suspect Ioniq has more room inside and large boot? I am not too bothered about the looks, neither Ioniq or Leaf looks as good as the Tesla Model 3.

KCross · 26-07-2017 02:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

To be honest I'm not too interested in just 40 Kwh,

So my two options, BEV I3 or wait another year and renegotiate a cheaper lease.

You have an EV for just 2yrs and you are not happy with more than doubling your range on the next one?!

unkel · 26-07-2017 05:29PM

300km with 40kWh? I can't see that being a realistic or EPA range. But I hope I'll be proven wrong.

KCross · 26-07-2017 05:36PM

unkel wrote: »

300km with 40kWh? I can't see that being a realistic or EPA range. But I hope I'll be proven wrong.

Probably won't hit 300km(but shouldn't be far off). My point was that the 24kWh Leaf can do 120km. The 40kWh Leaf should comfortably be able to double that.

unkel · 26-07-2017 05:50PM

2018 Leaf will only hit 286km EPA if both efficiency and aerodynamics are on a par with the 2016 Ioniq (both just over 7km EPA / kWh), which is far from certain. And even if it did, that wouldn't really be progress, would it?

What would certainly help if you could get it, base model, no metallic paint, on the road for €25k. Because it will have a higher EPA range than Ioniq, there's no doubt about that. And I'd say people would prefer range over spec. I would.

26-07-2017 06:03PM

unkel wrote: »

2018 Leaf will only hit 286km EPA if both efficiency and aerodynamics are on a par with the 2016 Ioniq (both just over 7km EPA / kWh), which is far from certain. And even if it did, that wouldn't really be progress, would it?

What would certainly help if you could get it, base model, no metallic paint, on the road for €25k. Because it will have a higher EPA range than Ioniq, there's no doubt about that. And I'd say people would prefer range over spec. I would.

It's all about price vs. range combined with availability at this stage. I'm personally really hoping for a base model with ~40 kWh and some other higher capacity battery as an optional extra. It's great that there are many potential vendors as it pushes the prices down to realistic level. It seems that the RHD markets are at noticeable disadvantage for capacity/price for time being as Model 3 or Bolt/Ampera-E are not an option here. I'm afraid we'll be the dumping ground for lower capacity vehicles until the situation corrects itself.

unkel · 26-07-2017 06:05PM

Oh aye, availability. Hyundai got that all wrong!

I don't think the RHD is too much of an issue with the Tesla. We will get it, a bit later. If you only put your deposit down in the USA now, you probably won't have your Model 3 until early 2019 anyway.

26-07-2017 06:14PM

It's exiting times ahead for EVs over the next year: 3, Leaf, Niro, Kona, updated IONIQ/i3/Golf all promising >300 km of range.

KCross · 26-07-2017 07:59PM

unkel wrote: »

2018 Leaf will only hit 286km EPA if both efficiency and aerodynamics are on a par with the 2016 Ioniq (both just over 7km EPA / kWh), which is far from certain. And even if it did, that wouldn't really be progress, would it?

What would certainly help if you could get it, base model, no metallic paint, on the road for €25k. Because it will have a higher EPA range than Ioniq, there's no doubt about that. And I'd say people would prefer range over spec. I would.

Yes, thats tremendous progress. Don't you think?

The 24kWh does 120km so I'd say a Leaf that can do 286km is progress. Cant see why you would say otherwise.

Unfortunately the improvements in battery capacity don't work like Moores law. Its going to be small incremental improvements.

Of course, the price will be the key thing.

Water John · 26-07-2017 08:19PM

I'd have high hopes, one or two of the battery R & D techs make a breakthrough. Seeing it now as a bonus as we can go fully EV on present tech. But a battery breakthrough would have a big media effect.

unkel · 26-07-2017 09:23PM

KCross wrote: »

Yes, thats tremendous progress. Don't you think?

A lot of progress compared to the current Leaf, that's for sure! If you can get one on the road for €25k, it will do well!

But it will probably have less EPA range per kWh than current Ioniq, which is 2 years older. So in that way it ain't progress. But I suppose if the batteries get big enough, efficiency / aerodynamics won't matter much at all unless you want to cruise at speeds well above the speed limits.

Soarer · 26-07-2017 09:28PM

So the new Leaf has over twice the range with less than twice the battery capacity, and people aren't impressed/don't think its progress?

Tough crowd.

2018 Leaf

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