Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Mitch Connor · 26-07-2017 09:58AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Do we need a player like Bale? Great player, but injury prone and likely to get worse as speed is a major factor in his game.

Where would he fit into the team and who would lose out?

A fit Bale - yes. Jose has said he wants a attacking threat from wide. Bale is near perfect.

I'd play him from the right, off Lukaku, where I thought Greizman would play. So in place of Mata. Could play him left side instead of Rashford/Martial either, but i'd prefer Rashford to keep that place. Bale can also play through the centre if needed.

As you say, the worry with Bale is the injury record and how long his body will support his style (and if he will adapt as Ronaldo has). That is a huge worry, and why i would spend a decent chunk more on Neymar over Bale if i was given the free choice.

bangkok · 26-07-2017 10:01AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Do we need a player like Bale? Great player, but injury prone and likely to get worse as speed is a major factor in his game.

Where would he fit into the team and who would lose out?

Play him anywhere behind lukaku, from the right left or in the no10 role. He would probably be allowed to go where he wants to be honest

brinty · 26-07-2017 10:09AM

paulbok wrote: »

I think he was on about not over spending on some of our current targets (eg Persic), at least that's how I read it.

Fair enough and i understand that point. I possibly misread i too

Apologies..

RobertKK · 26-07-2017 10:37AM

Bale is world class and once his calf injury issues are dealt with and sorted, he would bring an immediate improvement to the team and goals.

We need an attacking player who brings proven goals.

Jose said he wants a midfielder and a player who can play wide in an attacking position.
Bale fills that criteria for the attacking position.

Just get Verratti for the other

Toobz · 26-07-2017 10:40AM

I hope with the lack of transfer news we are all being bamboozled and we announce Ousmane Dembele and Weigl today.

Brendan Flowers · 26-07-2017 11:05AM

It seems that the 3 DM targets this summer are Matic, Dier and Fabinho. For some reason the interest in Fabinho fizzled out, maybe the sources got it wrong and Utd were never after him. As for Matic and Dier, both are with direct rivals which makes it all the more difficult to do a deal. Chelsea and Spurs appear to be doing their best to take Man Utd to the cleaners in terms of a transfer fee.

With that in mind and if we were to believe that there is no other "proper" DM out there that Jose has identified, would the club be better turning their attention to Verratti?

Not necessarily a DM, but he can play in a deeper role. The fact that Mino Raiola is now his agent would definitely suggest the door could be opened on a move to Old Trafford if the player was open to it.

Could a DM be sacrificed in favour of Veratti? Would a midfield 3 of him, Pogba and Herrera work? On paper its a terrific trio. As well as Marco, Ander could also play the deeper role, so I could see those 2 interchanging with Pogba still getting the extra freedom he needs to push forward.

jayo26 · 26-07-2017 12:43PM

Not the first time someone has done this haha

jayo26 · 26-07-2017 12:48PM

Can't believe I just posted a picture of Dailey Blind topless

Cantona's Collars · 26-07-2017 12:49PM

It's Miguel again.....

https://twitter.com/IndyFootball/status/890180960783925249

"Manchester United are back in for Nemanja Matic and are confident they can persuade Chelsea to sell".

jayo26 · 26-07-2017 12:52PM

zerks wrote: »

It's Miguel again.....

https://twitter.com/IndyFootball/status/890180960783925249

"Manchester United are back in for Nemanja Matic and are confident they can persuade Chelsea to sell".

I reckon this deal will have to go threw. The player doesn't seem to want to go to Italy or he would be gone already the only way I can see him not joining United is if Chelsha refuse to sell and he is left training with reserves and he just goes to Italy as he has no other option.

paulbok · 26-07-2017 01:13PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Do we need a player like Bale? Great player, but injury prone and likely to get worse as speed is a major factor in his game.

Where would he fit into the team and who would lose out?

IF Bale can put his injury issues behind him, and could be got for reasonable money £100-120m, then I'd see him on the left where Persic is earmarked for.
A fit Bale would massively improve the team.

With the addition of a DM, then for big teams Utd would probably line up with 3 in midfield and with just 2 for teams we should be easily beating with 3 & 1 up front.

JaMarcusHustle · 26-07-2017 01:24PM

paulbok wrote: »

IF Bale ... could be got for reasonable money £100-120m

I'll never accept this as a sentence.

markcahill1985 · 26-07-2017 01:31PM

Being linked with Emil Forsberg now, would much prefer him to Perisic, something like 20 assists last year. Probably a waste of time going after him anyway with what RBS were demanding for Keita.

beakerjoe · 26-07-2017 01:33PM

zerks wrote: »

It's Miguel again.....

https://twitter.com/IndyFootball/status/890180960783925249

"Manchester United are back in for Nemanja Matic and are confident they can persuade Chelsea to sell".

What the fcuk is new? Its been the same story for weeks

bangkok · 26-07-2017 01:38PM

paulbok wrote: »

IF Bale can put his injury issues behind him, and could be got for reasonable money £100-120m, then I'd see him on the left where Persic is earmarked for.
A fit Bale would massively improve the team.

With the addition of a DM, then for big teams Utd would probably line up with 3 in midfield and with just 2 for teams we should be easily beating with 3 & 1 up front.

You may need to re-phrase "reasonable money 100-120m"

That is smashing the world transfer record, probably only 2 or 3 teams in the world you could afford that

Mitch Connor · 26-07-2017 01:39PM

What would you consider a reasonable fee for Bale?

Jayop · 26-07-2017 01:46PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

What would you consider a reasonable fee for Bale?

At his age with his problems 70m. That said he wouldn't go for less than a hundred.

Real are really good at getting inflated prices for their players.

beakerjoe · 26-07-2017 01:51PM

Jayop wrote: »

At his age with his problems 70m. That said he wouldn't go for less than a hundred.

Real are really good at getting inflated prices for their players.

If we get Bale we will probably over pay, but i must say Id love to see him rampaging in a United Shirt

dave_o_brien · 26-07-2017 02:07PM

Jayop wrote: »

At his age with his problems 70m. That said he wouldn't go for less than a hundred.

Real are really good at getting inflated prices for their players.

Honest question: how do clubs arrive at a reasonable fee for a player?

Trigger · 26-07-2017 02:21PM

dave_o_brien wrote: »

Honest question: how do clubs arrive at a reasonable fee for a player?

I'm sure it's a negotiation between what the selling club thinks they are worth and what the buying club thinks they are worth.

Club A could value the player at 50m but club B could value player at 30m. They ask Club A for their valuation and if they are willing to sell but only value player at 30m and the 2 clubs could then negotiate to a fee that both think is fair..

A lot of selling clubs play hardball over their figures these days as they know that most clubs have plenty of money

bangkok · 26-07-2017 02:22PM

dave_o_brien wrote: »

Honest question: how do clubs arrive at a reasonable fee for a player?

If a player is causing trouble at the club, power is with buying club. Eg payet

If a player doesnt have long left on contract. Eg sanchez or toni kroos

If player is on high wages and the club want to get rid of player. Eg van persie or nani

All above situations are good for buying club, bad for selling club

Adamocovic · 26-07-2017 02:24PM

dave_o_brien wrote: »

Honest question: how do clubs arrive at a reasonable fee for a player?

Involves a lot of haggling

dave_o_brien · 26-07-2017 02:30PM

Those are descriptions of how a price is arrived at, not how a reasonable value is established.

bangkok · 26-07-2017 02:37PM

dave_o_brien wrote: »

Those are descriptions of how a price is arrived at, not how a reasonable value is established.

There is a website you can go to, takes in a load of different variables, age, position, international player, team etc etc they give a market value for each player. Will try and find it for you, but even in the space of a few months it is probably out of date considering some of the transfers went through this summer.

At the start of summer for example...

Kyle walker is probably worth 25m. Arsenal probably value bellerin around 30m mark.

Walker goes to a direct rival in the league for 50m.

If chelsea or utd went in for bellerin his value has then rose in line with what walkers is. Arsenal would probably then value him around the 50m-55m mark all because of what walker went for.

Kankan14 · 26-07-2017 02:40PM

bangkok wrote: »

There is a website you can go to, takes in a load of different variables, age, position, international player, team etc etc they give a market value for each player. Will try and find it for you, but even in the space of a few months it is probably out of date considering some of the transfers went through this summer.

At the start of summer for example...

Kyle walker is probably worth 25m. Arsenal probably value bellerin around 30m mark.

Walker goes to a direct rival in the league for 50m.

If chelsea or utd went in for bellerin his value has then rose in line with what walkers is. Arsenal would probably then value him around the 50m-55m mark all because of what walker went for.

So Mbappe's valuation would make Rashford worth 90million+ given the profile? Interesting school of thought.

26-07-2017 02:43PM

dave_o_brien wrote: »

Those are descriptions of how a price is arrived at, not how a reasonable value is established.

They're the same thing surely? A player is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for him.

bangkok · 26-07-2017 02:46PM

Kankan14 wrote: »

So Mbappe's valuation would make Rashford worth 90million+ given the profile? Interesting school of thought.

I said that earlier actually. If mbappe does go for 160m then yes rashford would be worth around the 90-100m considering his age etc

He was actually valued at 72m last september so yes 90-100m would be a fair reflection on the transfer market

fatherted1969 · 26-07-2017 02:50PM

Bayern Munich by all accounts got James for a reasonable price albeit a loan at first..it's just the English clubs paying the huge fees. AC Milan have bought really well this summer. No massive fees as far as I know

Mitch Connor · 26-07-2017 02:55PM

Jason Melodic Rumba wrote: »

They're the same thing surely? A player is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for him.

well no - how did the clubs come to those valuations in the first place would be the question. The price is some point between those values, and in essence becomes their value, but those initial valuations are the interesting part.

Look at United and Perisic, Matic or Dier. United value those players way below (seemingly) what their clubs value them at. How did United arrive at that valuation? How do Chelsea/Inter/Spurs?

bangkok · 26-07-2017 03:05PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

well no - how did the clubs come to those valuations in the first place would be the question. The price is some point between those values, and in essence becomes their value, but those initial valuations are the interesting part.

Look at United and Perisic, Matic or Dier. United value those players way below (seemingly) what their clubs value them at. How did United arrive at that valuation? How do Chelsea/Inter/Spurs?

No, because united are involved the price goes up hugely.

If dortmund went for perisic his price would be a lot less than it is

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