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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Lord TSC

Would love to know how many posts we've generated in the last 12 months. Feels like it's 10000 every three months. Last thread opened just before the Quarter finals of the EL.

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JaMarcusHustle

paulbok wrote: »

IF Bale ... could be got for reasonable money £100-120m

I'll never accept this as a sentence.

paulbok

Leroy42 wrote: »

Do we need a player like Bale? Great player, but injury prone and likely to get worse as speed is a major factor in his game.

Where would he fit into the team and who would lose out?

IF Bale can put his injury issues behind him, and could be got for reasonable money £100-120m, then I'd see him on the left where Persic is earmarked for.
A fit Bale would massively improve the team.

With the addition of a DM, then for big teams Utd would probably line up with 3 in midfield and with just 2 for teams we should be easily beating with 3 & 1 up front.

jayo26

zerks wrote: »

It's Miguel again.....

https://twitter.com/IndyFootball/status/890180960783925249

"Manchester United are back in for Nemanja Matic and are confident they can persuade Chelsea to sell".

I reckon this deal will have to go threw. The player doesn't seem to want to go to Italy or he would be gone already the only way I can see him not joining United is if Chelsha refuse to sell and he is left training with reserves and he just goes to Italy as he has no other option.

Cantona's Collars

It's Miguel again.....

https://twitter.com/IndyFootball/status/890180960783925249

"Manchester United are back in for Nemanja Matic and are confident they can persuade Chelsea to sell".

jayo26

Can't believe I just posted a picture of Dailey Blind topless

jayo26

Not the first time someone has done this haha

Brendan Flowers

It seems that the 3 DM targets this summer are Matic, Dier and Fabinho. For some reason the interest in Fabinho fizzled out, maybe the sources got it wrong and Utd were never after him. As for Matic and Dier, both are with direct rivals which makes it all the more difficult to do a deal. Chelsea and Spurs appear to be doing their best to take Man Utd to the cleaners in terms of a transfer fee.

With that in mind and if we were to believe that there is no other "proper" DM out there that Jose has identified, would the club be better turning their attention to Verratti?

Not necessarily a DM, but he can play in a deeper role. The fact that Mino Raiola is now his agent would definitely suggest the door could be opened on a move to Old Trafford if the player was open to it.

Could a DM be sacrificed in favour of Veratti? Would a midfield 3 of him, Pogba and Herrera work? On paper its a terrific trio. As well as Marco, Ander could also play the deeper role, so I could see those 2 interchanging with Pogba still getting the extra freedom he needs to push forward.

Toobz

I hope with the lack of transfer news we are all being bamboozled and we announce Ousmane Dembele and Weigl today.

RobertKK

Bale is world class and once his calf injury issues are dealt with and sorted, he would bring an immediate improvement to the team and goals.

We need an attacking player who brings proven goals.

Jose said he wants a midfielder and a player who can play wide in an attacking position.
Bale fills that criteria for the attacking position.

Just get Verratti for the other

brinty

paulbok wrote: »

I think he was on about not over spending on some of our current targets (eg Persic), at least that's how I read it.

Fair enough and i understand that point. I possibly misread i too

Apologies..

bangkok

Leroy42 wrote: »

Do we need a player like Bale? Great player, but injury prone and likely to get worse as speed is a major factor in his game.

Where would he fit into the team and who would lose out?

Play him anywhere behind lukaku, from the right left or in the no10 role. He would probably be allowed to go where he wants to be honest

Mitch Connor

Leroy42 wrote: »

Do we need a player like Bale? Great player, but injury prone and likely to get worse as speed is a major factor in his game.

Where would he fit into the team and who would lose out?

A fit Bale - yes. Jose has said he wants a attacking threat from wide. Bale is near perfect.

I'd play him from the right, off Lukaku, where I thought Greizman would play. So in place of Mata. Could play him left side instead of Rashford/Martial either, but i'd prefer Rashford to keep that place. Bale can also play through the centre if needed.

As you say, the worry with Bale is the injury record and how long his body will support his style (and if he will adapt as Ronaldo has). That is a huge worry, and why i would spend a decent chunk more on Neymar over Bale if i was given the free choice.

Leroy42

Do we need a player like Bale? Great player, but injury prone and likely to get worse as speed is a major factor in his game.

Where would he fit into the team and who would lose out?

Mitch Connor

ElChe32 wrote: »

What kind of money would Madrid be looking for Bale? 70-90m? He'd be a fantastic signing if he can keep injury free.

They wanted that off us for their substitute striker Morata. They will probably be looking to match the fee for Mbappe based on that. (At which point we'd be better off, imo, trying to get Neymar!)

Mitch Connor

Adamocovic wrote: »

Eh? I'm wrapping my head around this one. Surely investment can be long-term and players bought in the past for positions should be helpful this summer as we won't need to bring in players for those positions?

I think it's a bit ridiculous to disregard money spent in last 5 seasons as majority of those players remain at the club.

Current window isn't closed yet so I don't see the point of comparing our spend with other clubs as lots can happen but if it pleases you we are currently 3rd in terms of club transfer spend in the PL.

I think I'm going to just stop here. How anyone can argue that we haven't been spending enough money is beyond me. Absolutely beyond me.

I've not said, even once, we have not spent money. I feel we haven't spent enough - on the basis we don't have signings we need, done. We need more signings, therefor we need more money to be spent.

The money we spent previously (some of it already out the door in the shapes of Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Memphis and Di Maria) produced a squad that finished 6th last season. 5th(?) the season before and 4th the season before that. The squad is, evidently, not good enough to win the league in its current form. If we want to win the league, it needs to be improved. I do not, personally, believe that Lukaku replacing Ibrahimovic will result in the improvement required.

Jose has said repeatedly that he is/was targeting four key positions. My assumption is those 4 positions targeted are what he feels is required to make United competitive in the league, maybe the CL too. We haven't got those 4 players. We have got two and he is saying he doesn't know if the club will be capable of getting the remaining two, that it might be impossible. If the club is refusing to spend the money required to create a squad the manager feels in minimaly required to be at the level needed, how is that not showing a lack of ambition? By not spending the money, they are not providing the manager with the tools he has said he needs.

pjohnson

ElChe32 wrote: »

What kind of money would Madrid be looking for Bale? 70-90m? He'd be a fantastic signing if he can keep injury free.

Prob the 100m tbh.

Lord TSC

English press will be thrilled. They'll get six weeks out of Bale to us no problem...

ElChe32

What kind of money would Madrid be looking for Bale? 70-90m? He'd be a fantastic signing if he can keep injury free.

Lord TSC

StringerBell wrote: »

So according to the BBC city are officially denying making a bid or even pursuing mbappe at the prices quoted.

That put that one to bed then?
On to the next?

I guess, just cuz you read it somewhere or sky tell you their sources say something doesn't always make it true.......who knew

They seem to be telling different press different things, as their most reliable journalists are reporting conflicting info...of City have realised their bid failed and are now backtracking

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/RyanBaldiFW/status/890096828888338433

As already picked their target to be replaced by mBappe.

Adamocovic

Mitch Connor wrote: »

You are talking about money in the past though for the most part. Money spent in the past isn't particularly helpful this summer.

Eh? I'm wrapping my head around this one. Surely investment can be long-term and players bought in the past for positions should be helpful this summer as we won't need to bring in players for those positions?

I think it's a bit ridiculous to disregard money spent in last 5 seasons as majority of those players remain at the club.

Current window isn't closed yet so I don't see the point of comparing our spend with other clubs as lots can happen but if it pleases you we are currently 3rd in terms of club transfer spend in the PL.

I think I'm going to just stop here. How anyone can argue that we haven't been spending enough money is beyond me. Absolutely beyond me.

StringerBell

So according to the BBC city are officially denying making a bid or even pursuing mbappe at the prices quoted.

That put that one to bed then?
On to the next?

I guess, just cuz you read it somewhere or sky tell you their sources say something doesn't always make it true.......who knew

Mitch Connor

Adamocovic wrote: »

But that's the thing, we have been putting up money. A couple of posts back I posted how between 2010-2016 we were ranked in top 3 of all clubs in terms of money spend. Currently for last 5 seasons (excluding current window as it's not closed) we are 2nd in the PL only behind City. Slightly.

We have been spending money. So much money. To an extent that other fans begrudge us for it. I cannot understand the argument that we haven't been putting up the money to sign players to improve the club. Even this window we've already spent £75million on a striker to improve our goal rates.

Over the last 4 seasons off the top of my head we've brought in players like Zlatan, Falcao, Martial, Memphis, Pogba, Blind, Herrera, Mkhitaryan, Martial, Di Maria, Schweinsteiger, Bailly, Rojo, Lindelof, Lukaku, Mata, Darmian, Shaw and a few more in efforts to improve. All if not the majority of those players highly regarded in the football community.

As before. For me if we want to compete it is about making it work on the pitch and not just on paper. Bringing in players has not been a problem.
I'm aware you are a fan of Neymar and probably a bit annoyed that he appears to be going elsewhere, haven't even considered the idea that Mourinho wants him myself, but at the end of the day I can't see how you can argue that we have not been trying to sign players to give us the best chance to win trophies, also have you forgotten we won 2 last season?

On the saying the market is too tough, this is something Jose complains about every season. I'm not sure if it's his way of distracting media, getting shareholders on board to spending more money, or he genuinely believes it. But every season Jose complains he needs more signings and also that the window is more difficult now with fees rising and agents having more say.

I can still see 2 more big signings before window is finished. But even if there isn't it cannot be said that we have not been spending big in efforts to return to the top. If anything that is what we have been criticised most for in the last few seasons.

You are talking about money in the past though for the most part. Money spent in the past isn't particularly helpful this summer. United finished 6th last season. We need to improve the squad this summer, way beyond what we have already done, if we want to improve our competitiveness.

Lukaku, great deal imo. great. But it isn't nearly enough to bring us back to the level we should be at and need to be aiming at.

Yes, we won the League Cup and Europa League last season, great, enjoyed both of those wins but they are not the primary targets in any season. The title (finished 6th last season) and the CL (miles behind the real giants of football) are the trophies we should be targetting and I don't think the squad quality is good enough to win either of those, and it isn't looking like we will get the deals done that would make us good enough.

People tell me to ignore the media and focus on things the club confirm and say - but if I do that I am to ignore any speculation we are trying to get Matic, Dier or Perisic and consider Jose saying it might be impossible for us to sign the players he wants and needs - that although other clubs can sign important players we are finding it too difficult. When I do point that out, people then tell me to ignore that and concentrate on the ongoing links to Perisic, Matic and Dier - but to also ignore it all.

My basic opinion is that the United squad isn't good enough as it is, and Jose is saying we are finding it impossible to get the signings he feels are required to get it where it needs to be. If United are not capable of providing the squad the manager has asked for, it is because, imo, we are showing a lack of ambition and settingly for a squad that will battle for 4th rather than a title.

Adamocovic

Phil Jones talked to MUTV about that header :pac:

“It was one of those things,” Jones said. “I misjudged the ball from a goal kick. The ball bounced, I slipped. I tried to get up, I slipped again.

“The only thing I could do was improvise and try to head the ball away, because Giroud was through on goal. It looked silly at the time, but it did the job.

“Looking back on it, it was the slipping and trying to get up stage – that was the funny part. All my mates take the mick out of me for it!

“It was just improvisation. You do what you have to do as a defender. You have to put your neck on the line.”

Hard to think it was 2015!

bangkok

Also to be clear, mbappe is worth no where the money being touted. Only a few months ago he was valued around the 70m mark but the fees being paid this summer have driven prices sky high.

He is an exceptional talent no doubt about it, so too is rashford and martial. either of them be "worth" close to 100m now if mbappe is going to go for 160m

Adamocovic

Mitch Connor wrote: »

My issue, with regards ambition is that other clubs are putting up the money to sign the players they feel are required to give them the best chance of winning trophies. United are just constantly saying the transfer market is nearly impossible to work in.

But that's the thing, we have been putting up money. A couple of posts back I posted how between 2010-2016 we were ranked in top 3 of all clubs in terms of money spend. Currently for last 5 seasons (excluding current window as it's not closed) we are 2nd in the PL only behind City. Slightly.

We have been spending money. So much money. To an extent that other fans begrudge us for it. I cannot understand the argument that we haven't been putting up the money to sign players to improve the club. Even this window we've already spent £75million on a striker to improve our goal rates.

Over the last 4 seasons off the top of my head we've brought in players like Zlatan, Falcao, Martial, Memphis, Pogba, Blind, Herrera, Mkhitaryan, Martial, Di Maria, Schweinsteiger, Bailly, Rojo, Lindelof, Lukaku, Mata, Darmian, Shaw and a few more in efforts to improve. All if not the majority of those players highly regarded in the football community.

As before. For me if we want to compete it is about making it work on the pitch and not just on paper. Bringing in players has not been a problem.
I'm aware you are a fan of Neymar and probably a bit annoyed that he appears to be going elsewhere, haven't even considered the idea that Mourinho wants him myself, but at the end of the day I can't see how you can argue that we have not been trying to sign players to give us the best chance to win trophies, also have you forgotten we won 2 last season?

On the saying the market is too tough, this is something Jose complains about every season. I'm not sure if it's his way of distracting media, getting shareholders on board to spending more money, or he genuinely believes it. But every season Jose complains he needs more signings and also that the window is more difficult now with fees rising and agents having more say.

I can still see 2 more big signings before window is finished. But even if there isn't it cannot be said that we have not been spending big in efforts to return to the top. If anything that is what we have been criticised most for in the last few seasons.

mewe

The fee for Mbappe is ridiculous and United would be stupid to pay that amount.

mewe

Brendan Flowers wrote:

How many times do these FACTS need to be pointed out to you?

That reminded me of Rafa. Always gives me a laugh

[Deleted User]

https://twitter.com/TotallyMUFC/status/890132560331898880

Brendan Flowers

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Cool, so it was a completely meaningless statement on absolutely every level. Wibble from Woodward.

And that seems to be your single biggest problem. Just like you seem to take certain articles as gospel, just because someone online interprets a quote a certain way doesn't actually mean that was what it meant.

Woodward said Utd could do things in the transfer market that other clubs could only dream of. Last season Woodward and Man Utd broke the world transfer record. The year before that they broke the record for a fee paid for a teenager. The year before that they smashed the British transfer record.

How many times do these FACTS need to be pointed out to you?