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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Lord TSC

Would love to know how many posts we've generated in the last 12 months. Feels like it's 10000 every three months. Last thread opened just before the Quarter finals of the EL.

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Trigger

Monaco sporting director came out and stated that Fabinho and Lamar would 100% be staying this season..

pjohnson

Lord TSC wrote: »

And by most reports, we are beating the CL finalists to his signature too. He isn't the flashiest name, but he's a very, very good one. Would be thrilled with him.

Unfortunately it appears some want the flashiest names at the cheapest cost. Matic is perfect for us.

[Deleted User]

As they say on Reddit - explain like I'm 5 - how does DM help Utd to score 20+ more goals in the league next season? Helps build more from the back? Lets Herrera or Pogba get more advanced?

Utd had one of the meanest defences in the league last season. The problem was at the other end. Lukaku has been swapped in for Zlatan but imo that issue still isn't addressed surely?

yabadabado

Matic is probably the best choice now.United linked with him Fabinho and Dier regularly to fill the DM spot.Fabinho for some reason seems like a non runner and when it comes down to it between Matic and Dier I'd prefer Matic.
If he joins and United get 4 good seasons from him I'll be happy,fees have gone crazy so best to pony up and hope he can help win a title or CL in the next few years.
I'd be more confident going into the season with him signed than not filling the DM spot which I think is a recipe for disaster.

adox

wong wrote: »

How can you not be sold on a player that has been a fixture of a team that has won 2 Premier Leagues in the last 3 years?

Yes the fee is insane but that's the market.

He is a proven winner in a position we badly need filled and would instantly make our team better.

I wouldn't want Cahill at the club either and I'm sure there's others too.

Your analogy is just oversimplistic.

Lord TSC

wong wrote: »

How can you not be sold on a player that has been a fixture of a team that has won 2 Premier Leagues in the last 3 years?

Yes the fee is insane but that's the market.

He is a proven winner in a position we badly need filled and would instantly make our team better.

And by most reports, we are beating the CL finalists to his signature too. He isn't the flashiest name, but he's a very, very good one. Would be thrilled with him.

jayo26

wong wrote: »

How can you not be sold on a player that has been a fixture of a team that has won 2 Premier Leagues in the last 3 years?

Yes the fee is insane but that's the market.

He is a proven winner in a position we badly need filled and would instantly make our team better.

Fed up saying the same thing in here i donno What's WONG with people???

wong

How can you not be sold on a player that has been a fixture of a team that has won 2 Premier Leagues in the last 3 years?

Yes the fee is insane but that's the market.

He is a proven winner in a position we badly need filled and would instantly make our team better.

magnumbud

RobertKK wrote: »

I think this does happen, Jose said a midfielder gives him more options on the pitch.

When it comes to Bale, lets say Real Madrid are going to sell to United, I cannot see them selling to us before the Super Cup.

really not sold on matic.

as for super cup wouldn't see why not. its a glorified friendly like the community shield

RobertKK

zerks wrote: »

It's Miguel again.....

https://twitter.com/IndyFootball/status/890180960783925249

"Manchester United are back in for Nemanja Matic and are confident they can persuade Chelsea to sell".

I think this does happen, Jose said a midfielder gives him more options on the pitch.

When it comes to Bale, lets say Real Madrid are going to sell to United, I cannot see them selling to us before the Super Cup.

magnumbud

bangkok wrote: »

No, because united are involved the price goes up hugely.

If dortmund went for perisic his price would be a lot less than it is

think the worst case of that was when we tried to sign douglas costa from gremio and they quoted us 30million and then before that same window closed he went to shaktar for 6million

Mitch Connor

bangkok wrote: »

No, because united are involved the price goes up hugely.

If dortmund went for perisic his price would be a lot less than it is

It was a general point using examples rather than a specific question.

bangkok

Mitch Connor wrote: »

well no - how did the clubs come to those valuations in the first place would be the question. The price is some point between those values, and in essence becomes their value, but those initial valuations are the interesting part.

Look at United and Perisic, Matic or Dier. United value those players way below (seemingly) what their clubs value them at. How did United arrive at that valuation? How do Chelsea/Inter/Spurs?

No, because united are involved the price goes up hugely.

If dortmund went for perisic his price would be a lot less than it is

Mitch Connor

Interested Observer wrote: »

They're the same thing surely? A player is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for him.

well no - how did the clubs come to those valuations in the first place would be the question. The price is some point between those values, and in essence becomes their value, but those initial valuations are the interesting part.

Look at United and Perisic, Matic or Dier. United value those players way below (seemingly) what their clubs value them at. How did United arrive at that valuation? How do Chelsea/Inter/Spurs?

fatherted1969

Bayern Munich by all accounts got James for a reasonable price albeit a loan at first..it's just the English clubs paying the huge fees. AC Milan have bought really well this summer. No massive fees as far as I know

bangkok

Kankan14 wrote: »

So Mbappe's valuation would make Rashford worth 90million+ given the profile? Interesting school of thought.

I said that earlier actually. If mbappe does go for 160m then yes rashford would be worth around the 90-100m considering his age etc

He was actually valued at 72m last september so yes 90-100m would be a fair reflection on the transfer market

[Deleted User]

dave_o_brien wrote: »

Those are descriptions of how a price is arrived at, not how a reasonable value is established.

They're the same thing surely? A player is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for him.

Kankan14

bangkok wrote: »

There is a website you can go to, takes in a load of different variables, age, position, international player, team etc etc they give a market value for each player. Will try and find it for you, but even in the space of a few months it is probably out of date considering some of the transfers went through this summer.

At the start of summer for example...

Kyle walker is probably worth 25m. Arsenal probably value bellerin around 30m mark.

Walker goes to a direct rival in the league for 50m.

If chelsea or utd went in for bellerin his value has then rose in line with what walkers is. Arsenal would probably then value him around the 50m-55m mark all because of what walker went for.

So Mbappe's valuation would make Rashford worth 90million+ given the profile? Interesting school of thought.

bangkok

dave_o_brien wrote: »

Those are descriptions of how a price is arrived at, not how a reasonable value is established.

There is a website you can go to, takes in a load of different variables, age, position, international player, team etc etc they give a market value for each player. Will try and find it for you, but even in the space of a few months it is probably out of date considering some of the transfers went through this summer.

At the start of summer for example...

Kyle walker is probably worth 25m. Arsenal probably value bellerin around 30m mark.

Walker goes to a direct rival in the league for 50m.

If chelsea or utd went in for bellerin his value has then rose in line with what walkers is. Arsenal would probably then value him around the 50m-55m mark all because of what walker went for.

dave_o_brien

Those are descriptions of how a price is arrived at, not how a reasonable value is established.

Adamocovic

dave_o_brien wrote: »

Honest question: how do clubs arrive at a reasonable fee for a player?

Involves a lot of haggling

bangkok

dave_o_brien wrote: »

Honest question: how do clubs arrive at a reasonable fee for a player?

If a player is causing trouble at the club, power is with buying club. Eg payet

If a player doesnt have long left on contract. Eg sanchez or toni kroos

If player is on high wages and the club want to get rid of player. Eg van persie or nani

All above situations are good for buying club, bad for selling club

Trigger

dave_o_brien wrote: »

Honest question: how do clubs arrive at a reasonable fee for a player?

I'm sure it's a negotiation between what the selling club thinks they are worth and what the buying club thinks they are worth.

Club A could value the player at 50m but club B could value player at 30m. They ask Club A for their valuation and if they are willing to sell but only value player at 30m and the 2 clubs could then negotiate to a fee that both think is fair..

A lot of selling clubs play hardball over their figures these days as they know that most clubs have plenty of money

dave_o_brien

Jayop wrote: »

At his age with his problems 70m. That said he wouldn't go for less than a hundred.

Real are really good at getting inflated prices for their players.

Honest question: how do clubs arrive at a reasonable fee for a player?

beakerjoe

Jayop wrote: »

At his age with his problems 70m. That said he wouldn't go for less than a hundred.

Real are really good at getting inflated prices for their players.

If we get Bale we will probably over pay, but i must say Id love to see him rampaging in a United Shirt

Jayop

Mitch Connor wrote: »

What would you consider a reasonable fee for Bale?

At his age with his problems 70m. That said he wouldn't go for less than a hundred.

Real are really good at getting inflated prices for their players.

Mitch Connor

What would you consider a reasonable fee for Bale?

bangkok

paulbok wrote: »

IF Bale can put his injury issues behind him, and could be got for reasonable money £100-120m, then I'd see him on the left where Persic is earmarked for.
A fit Bale would massively improve the team.

With the addition of a DM, then for big teams Utd would probably line up with 3 in midfield and with just 2 for teams we should be easily beating with 3 & 1 up front.

You may need to re-phrase "reasonable money 100-120m"

That is smashing the world transfer record, probably only 2 or 3 teams in the world you could afford that

beakerjoe

zerks wrote: »

It's Miguel again.....

https://twitter.com/IndyFootball/status/890180960783925249

"Manchester United are back in for Nemanja Matic and are confident they can persuade Chelsea to sell".

What the fcuk is new? Its been the same story for weeks

markcahill1985

Being linked with Emil Forsberg now, would much prefer him to Perisic, something like 20 assists last year. Probably a waste of time going after him anyway with what RBS were demanding for Keita.