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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

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  • #2852
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    Floyd via DQ
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    McGregor won a fight at 145, 155 and 170 in the space of 11 months. Find me another MAA fighter who has done this. Nate is much much bigger than Conor. Conor fighting Nate at 170 is like Johnson fighting Aldo, same weight gap.

    To put it into a boxing context - it's like any welterweight title holder moving up to middleweight, fighting an average middleweight twice, and winning one - usually when this happens in boxing the title holder realises he has no chance of winning a middleweight title and moves back down - no big deal.

    It happens in mma and due to novelty the fighter becomes legend...


  • #2853
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    You have no clue really do you. Size is much more of a factor in mma than boxing. The statement I answered was about him not being good at mma not boxing, which is the most ridiculousthing I've read about him ever. He's a 2 weight world champ regardless of the Diaz fights


  • #2854
    Billy86
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    begbysback wrote: »
    To put it into a boxing context - it's like any welterweight title holder moving up to middleweight, fighting an average middleweight twice, and winning one - usually when this happens in boxing the title holder realises he has no chance of winning a middleweight title and moves back down - no big deal.

    It happens in mma and due to novelty the fighter becomes legend...

    Actually it would be more like a welterweight moving up to light heavyweight (a 27lb leap) than to middleweight (a 13lb leap). McGregors leap was 25lbs, the last 15lbs of that being on about two weeks notice if I recall.


  • #2855
    begbysback
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    Floyd via DQ
    Ok call it smw - a great achievement but lets not cod ourselves here, it was Nate Diaz he was fighting


  • #2856
    xtal191
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,534 ✭✭✭xtal191


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    McGregor won a fight at 145, 155 and 170 in the space of 11 months. Find me another MAA fighter who has done this. Nate is much much bigger than Conor. Conor fighting Nate at 170 is like Johnson fighting Aldo, same weight gap.

    No its not, Conor vs Nate was two lightweights fighting at welterweight.


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  • #2857
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Floyd via DQ
    Billy86 wrote: »
    For the same reason that Demetrious Johnson would struggle at 145lbs (as class as he is, he would likely get bounced around up there), yet McGregor won the rematch.

    Not the same at all.

    Nate Diaz walks around in the mid 170s when he's out of camp and fat, despite what the likes of Dana White and Conor McGregor say he's not this 200lb monster they claim he is. He was a 155lb fighter who came off the couch (well, off the boat he was on Mexico when he got the phone call) and didn't want to cut to 155. He offered to fight at a 160lb catch weight and it was McGregor who said do it at 170.

    It was two 155ers fighting at 170 and just not cutting weight. Diaz was about 175 on fight night. McGregor was about 172.

    Johnson going up to 145 would be a man weighing in at 140ish fighting people who are often 160+ in the cage.

    Johnson fighting at FW would be like McGregor trying to fight Whittaker or Romero or Woodley trying to fight Jon Jones.


  • #2858
    Billy86
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Not the same at all.

    Nate Diaz walks around in the mid 170s when he's out of camp and fat, despite what the likes of Dana White and Conor McGregor say he's not this 200lb monster they claim he is.
    And Diaz too 0- http://www.mmaweekly.com/nate-diaz-confirms-hes-walking-around-at-200-pounds-before-conor-mcgregor-rematch

    Previously Aldo was hyped up as the best P4P fighter in the UFC, McGregor KO'd him in 13 seconds having steamrolled that division. Then up a weight, he absolutely obliterated Alvarez and handed him only his second knockout in 33 fights (the other one coming a decade earlier in Bodog). Still standing by the fact he is very possibly the best P4P fighter in the UFC (but as just about everyone agrees, will lose badly next month).
    begbysback wrote: »
    Ok call it smw - a great achievement but lets not cod ourselves here, it was Nate Diaz he was fighting
    That would be a jump of 20lbs as opposed to 27 (LHW), with McGregor's jump being 25lbs for 170. It's notably close to LHW.


  • #2859
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman
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    Floyd via DQ
    Billy86 wrote: »
    And Diaz too 0- http://www.mmaweekly.com/nate-diaz-confirms-hes-walking-around-at-200-pounds-before-conor-mcgregor-rematch

    Previously Aldo was hyped up as the best P4P fighter in the UFC, McGregor KO'd him in 13 seconds having steamrolled that division. Then up a weight, he absolutely obliterated Alvarez and handed him only his second knockout in 33 fights (the other one coming a decade earlier in Bodog). Still standing by the fact he is very possibly the best P4P fighter in the UFC (but as just about everyone agrees, will lose badly next month).


    That would be a jump of 20lbs as opposed to 27 (LHW), with McGregor's jump being 25lbs for 170. It's notably close to LHW.

    The loss to Diaz hurts McGregor's pound for pound claim especially considering Diaz came into the fight on 11 days notice.

    Jones really as pound for pound it's tough to claim he's not the best. He's never lost a fight and is an absolute beast.


  • #2860
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Floyd via DQ
    To quote Nate himself.
    Nate Diaz wrote:
    “Tell Dana I said get off Conor’s nuts,” Diaz told MMA Fighting. “I left my room to that fight at 176 [pounds], so when I fought I was probably 173. Quit telling people I was a monster to make him look good. I’ve been a lightweight my whole career.”


  • #2861
    ThinkProgress
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    Floyd via DQ
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    McGregor won a fight at 145, 155 and 170 in the space of 11 months. Find me another MAA fighter who has done this. Nate is much much bigger than Conor. Conor fighting Nate at 170 is like Johnson fighting Aldo, same weight gap.

    Conor walks around well above 170lbs... he literally tortures himself to make 145lbs! He's a natural 155lb fighter! (at least)

    Nate Diaz is also a natural 155lb fighter. He's a scrawny f*cker! His only title fight ever in the UFC, was at 155lb.

    Diaz pilled on the weight for the 2nd fight... but he had a huge beer gut during that fight, so I doubt it really helped him much. It's not like he gained muscle mass! :p

    If you think 170lbs is such a big deal for Conor, then take a look at this picture with him and GSP (the man who literally dominated at 170lbs for half a decade) The size difference here, is negligible... especially when you consider Conor is coming out of a 145lb fight shortly before this picture was taken!

    image81.jpeg


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  • #2862
    wonderfullife
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    Conor via KO-TKO
    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    To quote Nate himself.

    If you believe Nate walked into the octagon at 173lbs I have a bridge to sell you.

    We know for a fact from piecing together the interviews that Conor walked in at 172lbs.

    You're telling me Nate weighed 1lb more?

    Good one.


  • #2863
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Floyd via DQ
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    If you believe Nate walked into the octagon at 173lbs I have a bridge to sell you.

    We know for a fact from piecing together the interviews that Conor walked in at 172lbs.

    You're telling me Nate weighed 1lb more?

    Good one.

    Do you believe he was magically 200lbs after a decade of fighting at light weight, 3 months after he fought Johnson at 155?

    The 200lbs nonsense was an invention of Dana and Conor's camp that Diaz laughed at every time someone asked him. If he says he was 176 leaving his room, I believe him. He was closer to 170 than he was to 190, that's for sure.


  • #2864
    noc1980
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    Nate maybe wasn't 200lbs but his claims of 173lbs are laughable.
    He was at least 185lbs in there. At his height he can carry that and look trim.


  • #2865
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Floyd via DQ
    noc1980 wrote: »
    Nate maybe wasn't 200lbs but his claims of 173lbs are laughable.
    He was at least 185lbs in there. At his height he can carry that and look trim.

    Nate Diaz has never been 185 in his life, never mind in the first fight with Conor.

    To claim he cut and rehydrated 15lbs is ridiculous.


  • #2866
    Billy86
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    To quote Nate himself.
    Yes, directly before the fight. I quoted you saying he walks around outside of fights/weigh ins at mid 170s for a reason, which this quote somewhat contradicts since he said he came into the fight at 176. Meanwhile, I have shown him saying he walks around at 200lbs.
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »
    The loss to Diaz hurts McGregor's pound for pound claim especially considering Diaz came into the fight on 11 days notice.

    Jones really as pound for pound it's tough to claim he's not the best. He's never lost a fight and is an absolute beast.

    Jones would have a great shout true, probably would edge him out myself. Only fighting once per year since 2013 and the PED scandal put somewhat of a cloud over him on one hand, but on the other he is a monster.


  • #2867
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Floyd via DQ
    Billy86 wrote: »
    Yes, directly before the fight. I quoted you saying he walks around outside of fights/weigh ins at mid 170s for a reason, which this quote somewhat contradicts since he said he came into the fight at 176. Meanwhile, I have shown him saying he walks around at 200lbs.

    You mean when your man asks if he weighs 200lbs and he says "ah, yeah" and then starts laughing?

    Or the time when someone else asked him what he's weighing the week before the second fight and he says "179... no, 200, I'm 200lbs right?".


  • #2868
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman


    Floyd via DQ
    Billy86 wrote: »
    Yes, directly before the fight. I quoted you saying he walks around outside of fights/weigh ins at mid 170s for a reason, which this quote somewhat contradicts since he said he came into the fight at 176. Meanwhile, I have shown him saying he walks around at 200lbs.



    Jones would have a great shout true, probably would edge him out myself. Only fighting once per year since 2013 and the PED scandal put somewhat of a cloud over him on one hand, but on the other he is a monster.

    Jones is just a monster and his record is unblemished in terms of actual fighting.

    McGregor losing to Diaz, a sort of middle of the road journeyman who only had 11 days notice for the fight just pushes McGregor down a notch of two, IMO.


  • #2869
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Floyd via DQ
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »
    Jones is just a monster and his record is unblemished in terms of actual fighting.

    McGregor losing to Diaz, a sort of middle of the road journeyman who only had 11 days notice for the fight just pushes McGregor down a notch of two, IMO.

    When he loses to Khabib the myth will be shattered completely.


  • #2870
    Billy86
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    You mean when your man asks if he weighs 200lbs and he says "ah, yeah" and then starts laughing?

    Or the time when someone else asked him what he's weighing the week before the second fight and he says "179... no, 200, I'm 200lbs right?".
    I forgot quotes only matter when they back up your claim, not otherwise.

    This is a funny looking ~1lb weight difference.

    20160224052946_McGregor_Diaz27.JPG


  • #2871
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Floyd via DQ
    Billy86 wrote: »
    I forgot quotes only matter when they back up your claim, not otherwise.

    This is a funny looking ~1lb weight difference.

    20160224052946_McGregor_Diaz27.JPG

    Nice photo that makes Diaz look about 6'4" and 200lbs...


    Here's a picture of them that's actually representative of their comparative sizes.

    maxresdefault.jpg


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  • #2872
    ThinkProgress
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    Floyd via DQ
    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    When he loses to Khabib the myth will be shattered completely.

    Also think Michael "venom" Page (from bellator) could give him serious problems in a stand-up fight... if we're talking about welterweight bouts. He could be coming to the UFC soon hopefully!

    Those are the kind of fights I want to see... not this Mayweather horsesh!t...


  • #2873
    Billy86
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Nice photo that makes Diaz look about 6'4" and 200lbs...

    Maybe if he crouches down it will help your case:

    PAY-Conor-McGregor-at-the-UFC-196-Press-Conference.jpg


  • #2874
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman


    Floyd via DQ
    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    When he loses to Khabib the myth will be shattered completely.

    Khabib is 24-0, he's one of the best out there.

    If McGregor beats him after this farce then he'll 100% be in the p4p conversation.


  • #2875
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Floyd via DQ
    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    Also think Michael "venom" Page (from bellator) could give him serious problems in a stand-up fight... if we're talking about welterweight bouts. He could be coming to the UFC soon hopefully!

    Those are the kind of fights I want to see... not this Mayweather horsesh!t...



    Well page is 6'3" and can barely cut weight to 170, so he might give a fighter who is 6 inches shorter and in a weight class below problems, but to be honest I think Page will get murdered by Daly, McDonald or any other top tier welter weight. I wouldn't be surprised if McDregor beat Page to be honest.


  • #2876
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Floyd via DQ
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »
    Khabib is 24-0, he's one of the best out there.

    If McGregor beats him after this farce then he'll 100% be in the p4p conversation.

    Khabib is a beast.

    If Khabib beats Ferguson, which I think he will, I reckon that match gets made in the new year, it won't be in Russia though.


  • #2877
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote:
    Khabib is 24-0, he's one of the best out there.


    Khabib has beat 1 (ONE) ranked opponent in his entire career. Conor knocked out p4p no 1 in 13 seconds. Beat the no2 contender at 145 in 2 rounds. Absolutely destroyed the lightweight champion too.


  • #2878
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman
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    Floyd via DQ
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Khabib has beat 1 (ONE) ranked opponent in his entire career. Conor knocked out p4p no 1 in 13 seconds. Beat the no2 contender at 145 in 2 rounds. Absolutely destroyed the lightweight champion too.

    And got tapped out by a guy who is very average and had 11 days notice for the fight.

    Regardless though of the above McGregor IMO is still not anywhere near as good as Jones, on a p4p basis.


  • #2879
    walshb
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    Floyd via KO-TKO
    As good as the Aldo fight was it kind of does Conor no justice because of the quick KO. It simply says he landed a good shot on an pen man moving forward. A panicked man...It didn't allow us to see what Conor may have really possessed had Aldo put it to him.


  • #2880
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Floyd via DQ
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »
    And got tapped out by a guy who is very average and had 11 days notice for the fight.

    Regardless though of the above McGregor IMO is still not anywhere near as good as Jones, on a p4p basis.

    Not even close.

    Jones is one of the pound for pound greatest of all time. His one recorded loss is a nonsense DQ. He's trounced the best of the best since he was a kid.
    I think he murders DC and then has one or two defences and goes up and spanks the big boys at heavy weight before retiring.


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  • #2881
    ThinkProgress
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    Floyd via DQ
    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Well page is 6'3" and can barely cut weight to 170, so he might give a fighter who is 6 inches shorter and in a weight class below problems, but to be honest I think Page will get murdered by Daly, McDonald or any other top tier welter weight. I wouldn't be surprised if McDregor beat Page to be honest.

    Well, that's why we have fights, right!? So we can answer these questions, and settle differences of opinion! ;)

    Personally, I think Page has some quality. He's just very injury prone (a bit like Khabib tbh).


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