Male tennis player Andy Murray

13-07-2017 09:15PM

osarusan wrote: »

The idea that prize money is determined by effort/length of match is nonsense.

Women play 90 minutes in football just like the men, but while the men got £35,000,000 for winning the World Cup, their female counterparts got £2,000,000.

The World Cup final (sorry, the men's one) is the most watched sporting event on the planet. It stands to reason they'd get more.

osarusan · 13-07-2017 09:22PM

Omackeral wrote: »

The World Cup final (sorry, the men's one) is the most watched sporting event on the planet. It stands to reason they'd get more.

Exactly, it's got nothing to do with how much effort is involved and everything to do with how much money is involved.

So the idea that men should get more because of the extra sets in tennis is nonsense.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 13-07-2017 09:36PM

osarusan wrote: »

Exactly, it's got nothing to do with how much effort is involved and everything to do with how much money is involved.

So the idea that men should get more because of the extra sets in tennis is nonsense.

It costs more to attend a mens grand slam final than a womens grand slam final (same applies for the semi finals).
The tournaments with this pricing policy actually say the men are worth more.

I have no problem with the women getting the same prize money in grand slams as the male players but if there is to be true equality it should probably cost the same to go to a mens final as a womens final.

Kurtosis · 13-07-2017 09:41PM

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That's a misrepresentation of the McEnroe Williams situation. The uproar wasn't caused by him qualifying the statement that she is the "best female tennis player", it was because he said she would be ranked 700th if she played on the men's circuit. Apples and oranges.

Rubberchikken · 13-07-2017 09:43PM

andy nurray is a sore loser. it has to come out somewhere and taking it out on a journalist is par for the course with these boys.

13-07-2017 09:44PM

Kurtosis wrote: »

That's a misrepresentation of the McEnroe Williams situation. The uproar wasn't caused by him qualifying the statement that she is the "best female tennis player", it was because he said she would be ranked 700th if she played on the men's circuit. Apples and oranges.

Relevant, although from a long way back.

Venus and Serena Williams had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked outside the world's top 200, so Karsten Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple bottles of ice cold lager". The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park, after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two beers. He first took on Serena and after leading 5–0, beat her 6–1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6–2. Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance". He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun". Braasch said the big difference was that men can chase down shots much easier, and that men put spin on the ball that the women can't handle. The Williams sisters adjusted their claim to beating men outside the top 350.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)

munsterlegend · 13-07-2017 09:46PM

Kurtosis wrote: »

That's a misrepresentation of the McEnroe Williams situation. The uproar wasn't caused by him qualifying the statement that she is the "best female tennis player", it was because he said she would be ranked 700th if she played on the men's circuit. Apples and oranges.

I don't know why people bother trying to compare. It was like golf before when Michelle Wie played a couple of male events. It's like 2 different sports competing at that level and serves no purpose comparing.

13-07-2017 10:01PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I don't know why people bother trying to compare. It was like golf before when Michelle Wie played a couple of male events. It's like 2 different sports competing at that level and serves no purpose comparing.

Which is why people are saying Murray was a twat seeing as they were speaking on a male sport.

munsterlegend · 13-07-2017 10:10PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Which is why people are saying Murray was a twat seeing as they were speaking on a male sport.

I agree he was being pedantic.

osarusan · 13-07-2017 10:20PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

It costs more to attend a mens grand slam final than a womens grand slam final (same applies for the semi finals).
The tournaments with this pricing policy actually say the men are worth more.

I have no problem with the women getting the same prize money in grand slams as the male players but if there is to be true equality it should probably cost the same to go to a mens final as a womens final.

I'm not saying prize money should be the same, I'm saying effort has nothing to do with why it isn't the same*

*in general - can't comment on tennis prize money.

odyssey06 · 13-07-2017 10:27PM

What a question the journalist asked... is there anyone interested in Murray's answer to that ???

Imagine if Barcelona are knocked out by an English team in the Champions League semi, making the English team the first to reach the final in X years... Does anyone want to hear an opinion from anyone in Barcelona on being beaten specifically by an English team??

A stupid question was met by a stupid answer...

razorblunt · 13-07-2017 10:56PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I don't know why people bother trying to compare. It was like golf before when Michelle Wie played a couple of male events. It's like 2 different sports competing at that level and serves no purpose comparing.

Michelle Wie is having enough difficulty competing in women's golf. Anneka Sorenstom was another, golf is unfair though, some of those courses are mad long, I would like to see a mixed event in golf though, where just like a normal club, women play off the women's tees. I'd be interested to see how they fare on the rest of the round.
There's often been complaints about the caddys practically lining up the putts for them, but I'm not sure how valid that is.

Outlaw Pete · 13-07-2017 10:57PM

kylith wrote: »

But the reporter didn't specify 'men's championship', did they?

Exactly..... and the fact that he didn't meant he was open to be corrected and there was nothing wrong with doing so (in this specific case anyway).

I say good on Andy.

Don't agree with you there however.......... as I think the way he smugly corrected the journo was very condescending and there was no need for that as I don't think there was an intended malice from the guy.

Here's the clip again....... his tone is so damn smarmy. And the exaggerated sigh as he does so........... what a twat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCPt-abyi9M

AllForIt · 14-07-2017 12:06AM

It looks to me that he was annoyed at the general question because it looks like he was being asked to comment on another player who just beat him. I don't think Andy's reply was meant to point out sexisim, I think he was annoyed and just wanted to trip the journo up for no other reason than he could as he was feeling a bit sour. That's what you get for not asking a specific Andy Murray question.

This extract from the indo shows that he could be accused of the same casual sexism.

However the 30-year-old almost two years ago made a similar faux pas, when congratulating rival Novak Djokovic on reaching a landmark after winning the US Open.

Murray wrote on Twitter on September 14, 2015: "Bit late but congrats to Novak on his 10th grand slam! Now the 3rd player in this era to reach double digits.. Incredible"

Djokovic joined Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal in achieving 10 or more grand slam titles, but on the women's side Serena Williams already had 21 majors by that stage in her career.

It seems every Wimbledon that goes by there is more and more controversies between the Mens and Womens game.

I propose a solution. Separate the mens and womens competitions. Instead of running concurrently play them separately. For example 2 weeks in June for the Womens game and 2 weeks in July for the Mens. Then base prize money on ticket sales. It would stop all these utterly ridiculous controversies in an instant.

Ann_Landers · 14-07-2017 12:11AM

gramar wrote: »

If I was the journalist I’d have told him to shove his racket up his hole, the wide end first.

gramar wrote: »

Well done male tennis player Andy Murray for making an issue where there wasn’t one and striking another blow for unfounded indignation.

Irony is ironic. Take some anti-'angrying up the blood' medication, FFS.

Ann_Landers · 14-07-2017 12:21AM

Christy42 wrote: »

True but the women fought for the full package -5 set slams at the time and have not seen any resistance from them. Should be done imo. They are well capable. Not sure why the tennis higher ups don't at least try it out.

+1. Why don't women play five sets? There's no good reason. 50 years ago, it was thought that women were physiological incapable of running marathons and of course that was complete nonsense. Tennis is a bit fusty in a lot of ways unfortunately. I actually prefer watching women's tennis to men's so I would love the games to last longer.

Apparently much more people watch the men's tennis. I'm surprised, I think the women's tennis is much more enjoyable to watch, in this tennis era anyway. Maybe if the games lasted longer, more people would watch? They are over before they start almost as it is, suspense doesn't build as much. And the bonus, if longer games lead to higher viewing figures, would be that finally, people would STFU about women getting equal pay in tennis.

Permabear · 14-07-2017 12:33AM

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Ann_Landers · 14-07-2017 12:37AM

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This sounds like total BS though. Braggadocio. He won fair and square but I wouldn't remotely believe that he didn't give his all to do so. Athletes do not take the foot off the pedal even in a out-of-competition game.

Permabear · 14-07-2017 12:42AM

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Ann_Landers · 14-07-2017 12:56AM

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Yeah, I don't believe that all. I believe they said it but unless they were in his skin, they wouldn't truly know. Journalists are not immune from hyperbole either. And his comment smacks of so much bullshit.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 14-07-2017 12:58AM

Ann_Landers wrote: »

Yeah, I don't believe that all. Unless they were in his skin, they wouldn't truly know. And his comment smacks of so much bullshit.

He was drinking and smoking in between games.Unless you're a darts player that's a pretty big indication that you're not trying very hard.

Ann_Landers · 14-07-2017 01:04AM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

He was drinking and smoking in between games.Unless you're a darts player that's a pretty big indication that you're not trying very hard.

He said he drank before they started, nothing about during. Said. I'm saying I don't believe it. It can't be disproved so it just strikes as opportunistic embellishment designed to big himself up even more.

Permabear · 14-07-2017 01:12AM

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the_syco · 14-07-2017 01:25AM

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Have said it before. An egalitarian want equal rights, but feminists want whats best for women. So yes, they'll attack anyone not making women sound better.

Ann_Landers · 14-07-2017 01:26AM

Permabear wrote: »

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Well, personally I much prefer watching women's tennis. I think it's a much more enjoyable watch. So how is "better" defined? Men are more powerful but that's to the detriment of the sport for this spectator. More people watch men's tennis. I wonder if women's matches were lengthened to five sets like they could be, would that change? They are over way to quickly as it stands, IMO. A lot of men I know also just have a bias against watching women play sport. Any sport. So men's tennis being more watched isn't surprising and it doesn't mean it's better, IMO.

In boxing, are the heavier weight classes considered more proper because the participants are stronger? No. I consider this the same. Who cares if male tennis matches involve more speed and strength? That's not the only thing tennis is about.

NinetyTwoTeam · 14-07-2017 01:32AM

Permabear wrote: »

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Sorry but someone being in the final or not is certainly much more factual than who may or may not be the best player on the circuit.
She is the most dominant player in her category so that's why you can make a case for her being the best player on the circuit, because obviously you are talking about players in relation to their competition group. Murray's interviewer was referencing Wimbledon Semi Finals and saying 'no US player' has been there would imply none from either male or female category, which is incorrect.

McEnroe's statement was less based in fact than Murray's.

ceadaoin. · 14-07-2017 01:47AM

the_syco wrote: »

Have said it before. An egalitarian want equal rights, but feminists want whats best for women. So yes, they'll attack anyone not making women sound better.

feminists are not a hive mind. I'm pretty sure most concede that there are biological differences between males and females. In strength and athletic ability, men and women will never be equal.

serena Williams is an exceptionally talented female tennis player. That's it. Why the need to compare her to male players? She will never be competing against them. The only reason to do so is to denigrate her achievements in women's tennis and "put her in her place" imo.

Ann_Landers · 14-07-2017 01:56AM

the_syco wrote: »

Have said it before. An egalitarian want equal rights, but feminists want whats best for women. So yes, they'll attack anyone not making women sound better.

As I said in the last post I made on this thread, it's very flawed thinking to view men's tennis as better. Tennis isn't just about strength, far from it. As I said, I prefer women's tennis as a spectacle. And again, are the higher weight classes in boxing superior? I mean, strength increases through the classes so if the barometer is strength then the heavier the weight class, the more proper it is, right? Going by some of the logic presented in this thread.

As for the sets issue, I see no reason for women to not play five sets. It's just a throwback that women only play three, I doubt many people would have a problem with the number of sets being upped to five.

gramar · 14-07-2017 07:22AM

Ann_Landers wrote: »

Irony is ironic. Take some anti-'angrying up the blood' medication, FFS.

Tabs taken...feeling much better thanks!

The point I’m making is that if Murray in this instance wants to be a grumpy pedantic git then the journalist should have just told him to forget about it if he’s just going to be behave like that.

As for unfounded indignation Murray’s comment brought about just that. It’s just another example of people having to walk on eggshells to qualify and clarify everything they say for fear of people taking offence where none was intended and in most cases where none exists.

LordSutch · 14-07-2017 07:28AM

gramar wrote: »

Male tennis player Andy Murray.

I'd love to see a match between Male tennis player Andy Murray & Female tennis player Serena Williams....

With John McEnroe as umpire :-)

Male tennis player Andy Murray

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