Male tennis player Andy Murray

Riskymove · 13-07-2017 01:37PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

What are you on about?

If Katie was being interviewed at the Olympics after her Gold, that too would have been........... a specific question about a specific person - who is a female player - in a specific competition.

I mean the other player is the specific person

Andy Murray is a man

he is playing in the men's Championship

he was aksed how he felt about losing to another man who "is the first US player" to get to semi in a while

they are clearing discussing the men's championship and male tennis players
The "clarification" by Murray is clearly pedantic

KungPao · 13-07-2017 01:39PM

Actually it's Sir Andrew Murray.

So disrespectful...

deadybai · 13-07-2017 01:40PM

Serious first world problems from Murray.

One thing everyone can agree on is that he is a knob

gramar · 13-07-2017 01:47PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

What are you on about?

If Katie was being interviewed at the Olympics after her Gold, that too would have been........... a specific question about a specific person - who is a female player - in a specific competition.

I honestly can't believe this is an issue...... both sides of this are wrong: people that think he was being pedantic and people that think it was a feminist thing to do.

It was just the appropriate and logical thing to do... nothing more, nothing less.

In your Katie scenario she may well be justified in specifying female.

In Murray's interview the question is 'Sam is the first player...'

If that isn't a clear and unambigious reference to Sam Querrey the 6ft 6inch male tennis player who had beaten him minutes before then I don't know what is.

KungPao · 13-07-2017 01:48PM

deadybai wrote: »

Serious first world problems from Murray.

One thing everyone can agree on is that he is a knob

And looks like Butthead?

13-07-2017 01:52PM

Reporter says something incorrect, Murray corrects him. Big deal.

Broflake is now my new favourite word. Shame it's too cringy to actually use, but I'm definitely going to think it.

coulagh2017 · 13-07-2017 01:57PM

Andy Murray must the most boring sportsman in elite level sport. He has the same personality as a piece of bread.

valoren · 13-07-2017 01:57PM

Dear Sports participants,

When a journalist/reporter is interviewing you after your participation in your sport, any and all references made to other participants in your competition are to be understood to be from the same gender as you.

Ann_Landers · 13-07-2017 02:01PM

Andy Murray does not strike me as the kind of guy who would have any interest in white knighting. He's just a bit contrary, is all.

kunst nugget · 13-07-2017 02:06PM

Anyone that is losing their shit over this is being beyond moronic. Have you really got so little going on your lives that this is the type of thing that upsets you? Go for a walk and get some fresh air, lads.

Outlaw Pete · 13-07-2017 02:14PM

gramar wrote: »

In your Katie scenario she may well be justified in specifying female.

In Murray's interview the question is 'Sam is the first player...'

If that isn't a clear and unambigious reference to Sam Querrey the 6ft 6inch male tennis player who had beaten him minutes before then I don't know what is.

Of it's course it's clear he was referencing Sam Querrey (6ft 6inch male tennis player) but Sam is NOT the first US player to reach a major semi final since 2009!

By the way I think Murray could have said it and smiled. I think his obnoxious smarmy demeanor was more inappropriate than what he actually said.

kylith · 13-07-2017 02:51PM

Riskymove wrote: »

its different though

its a specific question about a specific person - who is a male player - in a specific competition - the Men's Championship

But the reporter didn't specify 'men's championship', did they?

I say good on Andy.

Call Me Jimmy · 13-07-2017 02:57PM

Andy murray was very obviously just being a douche. I can't believe there's been more than one hand available to make an applause.

suicide_circus · 13-07-2017 02:57PM

Murray got knocked out, decides to do some virtue signalling to recoup some kudos. Ends up looking like a spa.

valoren · 13-07-2017 03:15PM

coulagh2017 wrote: »

Andy Murray must the most boring sportsman in elite level sport. He has the same personality as a piece of bread.

And remember, he has won BBC Sports 'Personality' of the Year three times. Yes, three times.

RobertKK · 13-07-2017 04:16PM

Imagine if women had to play more sets to win, and the men play less to win and get the same pay...

There is discrimination where men only get paid the same as women, when the men are doing more work to win.

lawred2 · 13-07-2017 04:23PM

kylith wrote: »

But the reporter didn't specify 'men's championship', did they?

I say good on Andy.

Why would a reporter need to explicitly specify 'men's championship' when asking Andy Murray (a man I believe) a question specifically about the opponent (another man I believe) that just defeated him (in the men's championship I believe)?

It's fairly obvious what championship is being discussed.

This is Andy Murray being a sad arse trying to score some cheap points at someone's expense because his own ego is bruised by what happened on the court.

This type of nonsense serves no cause.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-07-2017 04:25PM

Surely it's blindingly obvious which championship the reporter is referring to.

kunst nugget · 13-07-2017 04:33PM

lawred2 wrote: »

This is Andy Murray being a sad arse trying to score some cheap points at someone's expense because his own ego is bruised by what happened on the court.

That's how I would have looked at the exchange and paid no heed to it but a section of the internet decides that he's virtue signalling and they start to lose their minds over it. It's pretty pathetic…

P. Breathnach · 13-07-2017 04:40PM

A few days ago Murray agreed with the contention that the women's competition was discriminated against in access to the show courts. His suggestion was that things could be levelled out by starting play a bit earlier, making more time available to accommodate women's matches (without reducing the access of the men to the courts).

It might be that he actually respects the women's game. Bear in mind that his first coach was his mother, and his current coach is also a woman - Amelie Mauresmo, who was a seriously good player who had the misfortune of being a contemporary of Venus and Serena Williams.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-07-2017 04:56PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Sure why don't we just have tennis as a mixed sport?

Because women wouldn't get a look in if that was the case. They wouldn't be qualifying for Grandslams.

It would be entirely unfair to impose such a ruling. It would kill the womens game stone dead.

gramar · 13-07-2017 05:21PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Why would a reporter need to explicitly specify 'men's championship' when asking Andy Murray (a man I believe) a question specifically about the opponent (another man I believe) that just defeated him (in the men's championship I believe)?

It's fairly obvious what championship is being discussed.

This is Andy Murray being a sad arse trying to score some cheap points at someone's expense because his own ego is bruised by what happened on the court.

This type of nonsense serves no cause.

Maybe he's physically a man but identifies himself as a woman and we are wrong to assume his/her/their gender?

Christy42 · 13-07-2017 06:15PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Imagine if women had to play more sets to win, and the men play less to win and get the same pay...

There is discrimination where men only get paid the same as women, when the men are doing more work to win.

True but the women fought for the full package -5 set slams at the time and have not seen any resistance from them. Should be done imo. They are well capable. Not sure why the tennis higher ups don't at least try it out.

On Andy I agree with the sentiment but he is wrong (and was also wrong in the olympics). Both times he left out doubles players (surprising given his brother but anyway). Always feel the doubles players get a rough deal.

The reporter is meant to be good with words and can learn to say what he means.

13-07-2017 07:02PM

Probably one of the few sports stars I'd bother with. Doesn't pander to the media, doesn't do the "I love Jesus" shtick, doesn't get all luvvie and hang around with rock stars and celebs, and most importantly was strong enough to make a few comments about the drugs and tennis scandal that was refreshingly different to most others who kept the head down or even supported Sharapova.

He was being a little pedantic, but it was a mild observation. It wasn't too smart or mean to the journalist.

pickarooney · 13-07-2017 07:03PM

razorblunt wrote: »

He was the first US male player to reach the semis, probably since Andy Roddick that was the point. The Williams sisters have been dominating their game so the drought isn't as startling.

I think this is the first time since 2009 that Venus Williams has been in the final of Wimbledon.

pickarooney · 13-07-2017 07:10PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Imagine if women had to play more sets to win, and the men play less to win and get the same pay...

There is discrimination where men only get paid the same as women, when the men are doing more work to win.

The better you are, the fewer sets you play. Why do they give the prize money to the golfer who hits the ball the least when he's doing less work than everyone else? Not even carrying his own bag!

13-07-2017 08:38PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Anyone that is losing their shit over this is being beyond moronic. Have you really got so little going on your lives that this is the type of thing that upsets you? Go for a walk and get some fresh air, lads.

What do you mean lads? Lads?! Fcuking casual sexism.

ligerdub · 13-07-2017 08:49PM

He's not doing anything for the stereotypical grumpy, stubborn, dour Scot that Scottish people are trying to distance themselves from.

Disclaimer: I like Scotland.

ceadaoin. · 13-07-2017 09:01PM

Successful female athletes exist. As evidenced in this thread they are often overlooked or seen as not as worthy of their achievements than males. Sportsman highlights this fact and some people (mostly men tbh) are outraged. Why I wonder?

osarusan · 13-07-2017 09:11PM

The idea that prize money is determined by effort/length of match is nonsense.

Women play 90 minutes in football just like the men, but while the men got £35,000,000 for winning the World Cup, their female counterparts got £2,000,000.

Male tennis player Andy Murray

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