Male tennis player Andy Murray

gramar · 13-07-2017 12:38PM #1

After losing yesterday Andy Murray was asked for his thoughts about the fella he had just lost to being the first US player in the semi-final since 2009. The journalist was ‘corrected’ by Murray who said ‘male player’. His point being that female US players have made it to the semis and beyond since then.

Personally I think male tennis player Murray was being a complete pedantic prick and scoring easy points painting himself as a white knight out to defend the honour of the poor women. If I was the journalist I’d have told him to shove his racket up his hole, the wide end first.

Well done male tennis player Andy Murray for making an issue where there wasn’t one and striking another blow for unfounded indignation.

If Martin O’Neill was asked about Ireland’s chances at the world cup does he have to clarify if it’s men’s or women’s football or if it’s another sport the question is referring to?

munsterlegend · 13-07-2017 12:41PM

gramar wrote: »

After losing yesterday Andy Murray was asked for his thoughts about the fella he had just lost to being the first US player in the semi-final since 2009. The journalist was ‘corrected’ by Murray who said ‘male player’. His point being that female US players have made it to the semis and beyond since then.

Personally I think male tennis player Murray was being a complete pedantic prick and scoring easy points painting himself as a white knight out to defend the honour of the poor women. If I was the journalist I’d have told him to shove his racket up his hole, the wide end first.

Well done male tennis player Andy Murray for making an issue where there wasn’t one and striking another blow for unfounded indignation.

If Martin O’Neill was asked about Ireland’s chances at the world cup does he have to clarify if it’s men’s or women’s football or if it’s another sport the question is referring to?

Yeah totally agree. Men and women's tennis are virtually 2 completely different sports which happen to be played at same venue during grand slam events. Murray before wasn't too keen on women having equal pay to men.

Pelvis · 13-07-2017 12:43PM

The journalist was wrong, Andy Murray was right.

Allinall · 13-07-2017 12:45PM

I don't care, and would seriously question anyone who does.

B0jangles · 13-07-2017 12:45PM

gramar wrote: »

After losing yesterday Andy Murray was asked for his thoughts about the fella he had just lost to being the first US player in the semi-final since 2009. The journalist was ‘corrected’ by Murray who said ‘male player’. His point being that female US players have made it to the semis and beyond since then.

Personally I think male tennis player Murray was being a complete pedantic prick and scoring easy points painting himself as a white knight out to defend the honour of the poor women. If I was the journalist I’d have told him to shove his racket up his hole, the wide end first.

Well done male tennis player Andy Murray for making an issue where there wasn’t one and striking another blow for unfounded indignation.

If Martin O’Neill was asked about Ireland’s chances at the world cup does he have to clarify if it’s men’s or women’s football or if it’s another sport the question is referring to?

Now that's not any kind of hysterical overreaction at all at all...

AustinLostin · 13-07-2017 12:46PM

Generation broflake right here. Ask yourself why you are so emotionally wound up about it.

I'll admit I think the amount of articles based around the exchange was excessive, but the comment didn't bother me in the slightest.

callaway92 · 13-07-2017 12:50PM

Ya, I agree with the OP. I'm a Murray fan - But his comment there was literally aiming to be a dickhead to the journalist.

A_Sober_Paddy · 13-07-2017 12:53PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

Yeah totally agree. Men and women's tennis are virtually 2 completely different sports which happen to be played at same venue during grand slam events. Murray before wasn't too keen on women having equal pay to men.

Well women's prize money should not be the same they play to 2 sets not 3.

Permabear · 13-07-2017 12:54PM

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The Backwards Man · 13-07-2017 12:54PM

The Championships, Wimbledon

Clue is in the plural, Murray was right. Sorry buckos

johnnyskeleton · 13-07-2017 12:59PM

Why limit it to US players? That's just racist.

They should say that he was the first person to make it to the semi finals since the person, male or female, who made it there the day before.

Outlaw Pete · 13-07-2017 12:59PM

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Well women's prize money should not be the same they play to 2 sets not 3.

You're right that they shouldn't get the same prize money...... but it has nothing to do with how many sets they play for why they don't deserve it. They could play only one set and yet still deserve the same money as the men get..... potentially.

The reason that they don't deserve the same prize money however is because Ladies tennis doesn't generate the same amount of money for Wimbledon as Men's tennis does. Simple as that.

gramar · 13-07-2017 01:01PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

The Championships, Wimbledon

Clue is in the plural, Murray was right. Sorry buckos

Men's singles...men's double's...championships before you count the women's and mixed.

A couple of years ago the same fella congratulated Djokovic for being the 3rd player in the modern era to reach double digits for grand slams. It was actually 4 as he forgot to count Serena Williams who had 21 by then.

razorblunt · 13-07-2017 01:04PM

This is all over my twitter and FB. "Casual sexism" FFS.

The question was asked to the #1 seeded male player, following a loss against a male opponent in the men's tournament.
The journalist was hardly taking about the women's competition. Loads of journos jumping on the bandwagon saying well done Andy, I look forward to them using "Male Player of the Season" in the Premier League this year.

It seems like there's a group just waiting for anyone to slip up when it comes to this kind of stuff.

razorblunt · 13-07-2017 01:05PM

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Why limit it to US players? That's just racist.

They should say that he was the first person to make it to the semi finals since the person, male or female, who made it there the day before.

He was the first US male player to reach the semis, probably since Andy Roddick that was the point. The Williams sisters have been dominating their game so the drought isn't as startling.

johnnyskeleton · 13-07-2017 01:09PM

razorblunt wrote: »

He was the first US male player to reach the semis, probably since Andy Roddick that was the point. The Williams sisters have been dominating their game so the drought isn't as startling.

Now youre discriminating against people who don't play tennis.

Why can't you just say he was the first human since the last human and then we can all just get along?

Outlaw Pete · 13-07-2017 01:10PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOH-dCrV_XA

I think the people that think Murray was wrong......... and not looking at the comment in context.

If Venus and Serena hadn't reached many major semi-finals since 2009.......... then he would be saying something that didn't need saying.......... but given that they did, then all Murray was doing was stating the obvious.

In fact, he could have been a dick and just said: "No I'm not" and let the journo get there on his own... but merely just amending his comment to specify he was just the first male player.... was a perfectly apt thing to do.

The whole predictable 'Murray is a feminist' reaction from the Guardian is mega cringe though.

jester77 · 13-07-2017 01:12PM

Context, context, context

This whole thing is utterly stupid. When the journalist was asking Murray, he was very obviously referring to the mens tournament, because as far as I'm aware Murray has not played in the womens tournament.

razorblunt · 13-07-2017 01:16PM

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Now youre discriminating against people who don't play tennis.

Why can't you just say he was the first human since the last human and then we can all just get along?

Because ...

....

shut up.

razorblunt · 13-07-2017 01:17PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOH-dCrV_XA

I think the people that think Murray was wrong......... and not looking at the comment in context.

If Venus and Serena hadn't reached many major semi-finals since 2009.......... then he would be saying something that didn't need saying.......... but given that they did, then all Murray was doing was stating the obvious.

In fact, he could have been a dick and just said: "No I'm not" and let the journo get there on his own... but merely just amending his comment to specify he was just the first male player.... was a perfectly apt thing to do.

The whole predictable 'Murray is a feminist' reaction from the Guardian is mega cringe though.

Judy Murray jumped on board too though "that's my boy". Poor old Jamie really is the forgotten kid, its amazing he's not peddling ket round the bike sheds in Dunblane.

osarusan · 13-07-2017 01:17PM

Everybody's outraged but me.

gramar · 13-07-2017 01:19PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOH-dCrV_XA

I think the people that think Murray was wrong......... and not looking at the comment in context.

If Venus and Serena hadn't reached many major semi-finals since 2009.......... then he would be saying something that didn't need saying.......... but given that they did, then all Murray was doing was stating the obvious.

In fact, he could have been a dick and just said: "No I'm not" and let the journo get there on his own... but merely just amending his comment to specify he was just the first male player.... was a perfectly apt thing to do.

The whole predictable 'Murray is a feminist' reaction from the Guardian is mega cringe though.

You can't watch that and see anything other than a sore loser who is being willfully belligerant.

Tom Mann Centuria · 13-07-2017 01:20PM

gramar wrote: »

You can't watch that and see anything other than a sore loser who is being willfully belligerant.

He corrected a reporter after he'd won an Olympic gold medal, so it's nothing to do with being a sore loser.

gramar · 13-07-2017 01:23PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

He corrected a reporter after he'd won an Olympic gold medal, so it's nothing to do with being a sore loser.

Well he looks like it. He sounded like a sulking teenager giving a smartarse answer to his parents. He wouldn't talk to his mother like that though. She'd knock the shít out of him.

Outlaw Pete · 13-07-2017 01:24PM

jester77 wrote: »

Context, context, context

This whole thing is utterly stupid. When the journalist was asking Murray, he was very obviously referring to the mens tournament, because as far as I'm aware Murray has not played in the womens tournament.

Nah, you're not thinking about it in the right way (and that goes for anyone else thinking Murray was being pedantic / a white knight).

Imagine Katie Taylor being interviewed after her Olympic Gold and the journo says:

"Congratulations on being the first Irish boxer to ever win a Gold medal"

Do you not think it would be okay for her to say: "First female" given that Michael Carruth got one?

I think it would. Also think she would say it too.... as it shows respect.

Tbh, I think it would have been a little weird for him not to say it.

Riskymove · 13-07-2017 01:24PM

gramar wrote: »

You can't watch that and see anything other than a sore loser who is being willfully belligerant.

agreed i think this is nonsense

the question is specifically about the Men's Competition and specifically about a male tennis player. There was absolutely no need to be so pedantic

as someone else mentioned this kind of nonsense wouldn't be expected in other sports. Questions are always in a particualr context

If Marty Morrsisey asked someone in Hurling about how they felt losing to the first X County team to get to a semi final for a while would it be logical for that person to reply "first hurling team" in a lofty otne because same county got to a semi in football or camogie

Riskymove · 13-07-2017 01:26PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Nah, you're not thinking about it in the right way........

Imagine Katie Taylor being interviewed after her Olympic Gold and the journo says:

"Congratulations on being the first Irish boxer to ever win a Gold medal at boxing"

Do you not think it would be okay for her to say: "First female" given that Michael Carruth got one?

I think it would. Also think she would say it too.

its different though

its a specific question about a specific person - who is a male player - in a specific competition - the Men's Championship

13-07-2017 01:27PM

Even when he's winning he looks sulky, he 's the most uncharismatic male of all time.

Pac1Man · 13-07-2017 01:27PM

When the apocalypse comes and everyone is forced off the grid, we'll see how equal the two sexes really are.

gramar · 13-07-2017 01:30PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Nah, you're not thinking about it in the right way (and that goes for anyone else thinking Murray was being pedantic / a white knight).

Imagine Katie Taylor being interviewed after her Olympic Gold and the journo says:

Do you not think it would be okay for her to say: "First female" given that Michael Carruth got one?

I think it would. Also think she would say it too.... as it shows respect.

Tbh, I think it would have been a little weird for him not to say it.

The only person it would have occurred to is Andy Murray.
Do you think if he hadn't said it would anyone have noticed?
Would Serena and Judy have been tweeting about how Andy forgot to
set the journalist straight. My hole they would have.

Outlaw Pete · 13-07-2017 01:31PM

Riskymove wrote: »

its different though

its a specific question about a specific person - who is a male player - in a specific competition - the Men's Championship

What are you on about?

If Katie was being interviewed at the Olympics after her Gold, that too would have been........... a specific question about a specific person - who is a female player - in a specific competition.

I honestly can't believe this is an issue...... both sides of this are wrong: people that think he was being pedantic and people that think it was a feminist thing to do.

It was just the appropriate and logical thing to do... nothing more, nothing less.

Male tennis player Andy Murray

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