VW emissions software update - disaster

vkid · 12-07-2017 08:50AM

Is it just certain models that this causes problems with. Have a 2 ltr. 2011 cc and nervous about doing this(mainly based on this thread) Got a second letter from vw recently

Odyssey 2005 · 12-07-2017 08:52AM

vkid wrote: »

Is it just certain models that this causes problems with. Have a 2 ltr. 2011 cc and nervous about doing this(mainly based on this thread) Got a second letter from vw recently

Put it in the fookin bin.. .
Mine is a 2.0 170 hp also

Moanin · 12-07-2017 10:15AM

vkid wrote: »

Is it just certain models that this causes problems with. Have a 2 ltr. 2011 cc and nervous about doing this(mainly based on this thread) Got a second letter from vw recently

The only difference that I noticed was I had to replace EGR valve after update (Economy and power not affected)!
(2012 A6 2.0TDI 177bhp)

Toyotafanboi · 12-07-2017 10:21AM

Did Audi cover it?

Moanin · 12-07-2017 10:29AM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Did Audi cover it?

An Indi VAG specialist replaced it last November and I never followed up with Audi. Dunno if it's worth following up on now?

Toyotafanboi · 12-07-2017 11:17AM

Doubtful I'd say.

Stallingrad · 12-07-2017 12:12PM

More of it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4687386/Thousands-owners-complain-cars-losing-power.html

jackofalltrades · 12-07-2017 02:10PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

BBC Watchdog covering issues around the VW emissions fix on tomorrow show...

https://twitter.com/BBCWatchdog/status/884800004405284864

I'm amazed it took them this long.

vkid wrote: »

Is it just certain models that this causes problems with. Have a 2 ltr. 2011 cc and nervous about doing this(mainly based on this thread) Got a second letter from vw recently

Ignore it and make it very clear if you ever bring your car in for a service with them that you don't want the update installed.

la ultima guagua · 12-07-2017 02:27PM

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/06/23/vw-waives-appeal-agrees-to-buy-back-dieselgate-cars-germany/

Toyotafanboi · 12-07-2017 02:38PM

The watchdog article is heavily sensationalized though in the way it's worded isn't it?

I mean if you updating 1.2 million cars and "thousands" are having a bad reaction that's still considerably less than 1% of vehicles having faults after the update.

Would it be reasonable to anticipate that some of the cars are to some degree showing excess wear or a state of disrepair on certain components, which then fail after a new software version is applied as the old software has self learned and adjusted to compensating for the aged components?

I know this still isn't the owners fault and is still VW's issue to fix, but it does sound like they are coming to the table in these instances

SmithySeller · 12-07-2017 05:08PM

Another one here. Mate had A4 Sline lower bhp 2ltr. Got emissions fix done, EGR failure days later!

Atlantic Dawn · 12-07-2017 08:01PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

BBC Watchdog covering issues around the VW emissions fix on tomorrow show...

https://twitter.com/BBCWatchdog/status/884800004405284864

Starting now BBC1.

grogi · 12-07-2017 09:45PM

SmithySeller wrote: »

Another one here. Mate had A4 Sline lower bhp 2ltr. Got emissions fix done, EGR failure days later!

I have said it before many times: it seems the VW diesels used the EGR only in test cycle. After the fix it was enabled in real world usage, and the EGR immediately brakes down (stays open) because of the soot deposits around it.

Its failure is related to the fix, but it is not the fix that broke it. It was broken before, but simply wasn't used.

Toyotafanboi · 12-07-2017 10:04PM

grogi wrote: »

I have said it before many times: it seems the VW diesels used the EGR only in test cycle. After the fix it was enabled in real world usage, and the EGR immediately brakes down (stays open) because of the soot deposits around it.

Its failure is related to the fix, but it is not the fix that broke it. It was broken before, but simply wasn't used.

I'd agree with that. I wouldn't say the EGR wasn't used before the update but may not have been used as much as it is afterwards, which then provokes a failure.

joeysoap · 13-07-2017 12:29AM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I'd agree with that. I wouldn't say the EGR wasn't used before the update but may not have been used as much as it is afterwards, which then provokes a failure.

VW were aware that the supplier they used between 2009 and 2013 was not up to scratch, hence change of supplier after 2013.

SmithySeller · 13-07-2017 09:35AM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I'd agree with that. I wouldn't say the EGR wasn't used before the update but may not have been used as much as it is afterwards, which then provokes a failure.

This is basically what VW said to Honest John, 'according' to one of his articles!

benny79 · 13-07-2017 09:58AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Starting now BBC1.

Was it any good? was trying to get home to watch it but didnt make it home in time!

Toyotafanboi · 13-07-2017 10:22AM

Getting the fix is perhaps a handy way to get your EGR replaced for free when these EGRs were known to be dickie anyway before Dieselgate was ever a thing.

joeysoap · 13-07-2017 11:01AM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Getting the fix is perhaps a handy way to get your EGR replaced for free when these EGRs were known to be dickie anyway before Dieselgate was ever a thing.

True, but if you pay nothing they won't guarantee it for an hour. If you make a payment of €130- €150 you get a 2 year guarantee.

Atlantic Dawn · 13-07-2017 11:42AM

benny79 wrote: »

Was it any good? was trying to get home to watch it but didnt make it home in time!

No nothing new in it, they only covered it for first 10 minutes, basically cars going in to limp mode after the software fix, one driver it happened on a motorway and a truck went in to the back of her and wrote the car off. VW responded to Watchdog to say the problems were entirely unrelated to the fix. Watchdog had one Audi A4 owners car tested prior to the software fix and then after, when the fix was applied the driver experienced shudder from the car and when they had the car independently tested the EGR valve was the cause as a result of it having to work harder. Lad from Auto Express was on to say it's impossible there was no link between the fix and EGR failure, he advised nobody get the fix done.

dubrov · 13-07-2017 11:43AM

If they replace it for free, consumer protection law would force them to fix it if it failed an hour later.

Let's face it, they are not replacing EGRs out of the goodness of their heart no matter what they say.

Odyssey 2005 · 13-07-2017 11:59AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

No nothing new in it, they only covered it for first 10 minutes, basically cars going in to limp mode after the software fix, one driver it happened on a motorway and a truck went in to the back of her and wrote the car off. VW responded to Watchdog to say the problems were entirely unrelated to the fix. Watchdog had one Audi A4 owners car tested prior to the software fix and then after, when the fix was applied the driver experienced shudder from the car and when they had the car independently tested the EGR valve was the cause as a result of it having to work harder. Lad from Auto Express was on to say it's impossible there was no link between the fix and EGR failure, he advised nobody get the fix done.

I also experienced a "shudder" from my car twice soon after the FIX

. Happened when I started the car and it felt like it was running on 3 cylinders. Hasn't happened since,but as I have said before confidence is gone in the car.

joeysoap · 13-07-2017 05:36PM

My lad was on the M1 in the overtaking lane when his Jetta went into limp mode, near the Santry turnoff. He said he didn't really have a problem getting across to the inside lane but I wouldn't like to do too often.

colm_mcm · 13-07-2017 06:46PM

joeysoap wrote: »

True, but if you pay nothing they won't guarantee it for an hour. If you make a payment of €130- €150 you get a 2 year guarantee.

Surely you'd have the same rights if they just charged you €1.

joeysoap · 14-07-2017 01:15AM

colm_mcm wrote: »

Surely you'd have the same rights if they just charged you €1.

Maybe.

Personally as Toyota person who has had problems with one or two cars over the years (nothing as serious as this) I would have expected VW to pick the all the tab, (as Toyota did) however at the time VW were strenuously denying that the fix had anything to do with the Christmas lights on his dashboard. It's only lately that they are even close to admitting the sh*t the fix is causing.

I think it was local labour charges.

vkid · 19-07-2017 01:24PM

Letter number. 3 from vw this morning. we would like to remind you..Bla Bla..although it is voluntary..we assure we have tested..no adverse affects

Think I'm going to email them for the craic and ask them about all the reports of issues..see what they say.

jackofalltrades · 19-07-2017 03:35PM

vkid wrote: »

Letter number. 3 from vw this morning. we would like to remind you..Bla Bla..although it is voluntary..we assure we have tested..no adverse affects

Think I'm going to email them for the craic and ask them about all the reports of issues..see what they say.

Ask them for before and after charts, showing the differences in BHP,Torque from a similar car that has had the "fix" done.

joujoujou · 19-07-2017 03:39PM

vkid wrote: »

[...] I'm going to email them for the craic and ask them about all the reports of issues..see what they say.

They'll say pure coincidence and no proof of relationship between update and chain reaction of problems afterwards. Usual bullsh;t.

benny79 · 20-07-2017 10:03AM

I also got letter no 3. I emailed them a strongly worded letter and it bounced back the email address on the letter is wrong! :rolleyes: it should be campaignquestions@vwgi.ie or you can use vwcustomer.service@vwgi.ie.

I asked the girl that answered the phone how can they explain all the issues the update is causing which is widely reported across the motor industry? (I actually sounded like a reporter

) she told me that they are underlining issues that we're already within the car! I told her its a bit of a coincidence that they are only happening after the update is carried out. As it was reported on the bbc programme watchdog this week! and how come they acknowledged the issues in the US and compensated the consumer!

She told me she didn't see the bbc programme watchdog and vw have proven that all the issues that arose after the update have been proven to be underlying issues and not related to the update! And the EU cars is a co2 issue where as the US vw cars was a different issue altogether. bla..bla...

Lets just she was well rehearsed as to what to say... and I also got the impression she to thought I was a reporter

If any of you motor tech heads want the number to ring just pm me.. As I really know feck all about cars!! but I tell you one thing there is definitely a cover up been done and I'd make a great Journalist!

grogi · 25-07-2017 04:00PM

In Germany, the cars that weren't presented to be fixed, will be deemed illegal starting from 28 August.

http://www.autozeitung.de/kba-vw-diesel-stilllegung-189667.html

I wish I saw such decisiveness from our Government...

VW emissions software update - disaster

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