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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

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  • #1472
    Joeseph Balls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭Joeseph Balls


    Floyd via DQ
    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Wait, didn't you say at the start of the thread:



    Why the huge swing in opinion?

    He was trolling and it worked.


  • #1473
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Conor via KO-TKO
    Joeseph Balls wrote: »
    Great stance and right guard....

    What do you want him to do? Re-invent himself as a traditional southpaw boxer?

    He's going to do what he knows best (for better or worse) - wide karate stance and carrying his hands low.

    We'll see how far that takes him.


  • #1474
    Joeseph Balls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭Joeseph Balls


    Floyd via DQ
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    What do you want him to do? Re-invent himself as a traditional southpaw boxer?

    He's going to do what he knows best (for better or worse) - wide karate stance and carrying his hands low.

    We'll see how far that takes him.

    What I want him to do is show up and do well. Will you settle a bit, you're that wrapped up in fanboism, that you take offense to anyone saying a bad word about him.


  • #1475
    Burial.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Burial.


    Floyd via DQ
    I want him to get seven shades of ****e battered out of him. Do all the feng shui hippy Ido Portal nonsense for all I care.


  • #1476
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Conor via KO-TKO
    Joeseph Balls wrote: »
    What I want him to do is show up and do well. Will you settle a bit, you're that wrapped up in fanboism, that you take offense to anyone saying a bad word about him.

    You don't have to scream "fanboy" anytime someone challenges you on your snarky posts.

    I asked what do you want him to do in all seriousness. If you were his head coach here what would your plan be? Carrying a high guard has never been his thing and he very rarely shells up either. Nearly all of his KO's and TKO's have been punches thrown from the hip or counters after slipping punches with no guard.

    Do you think Conor has enough time to practice fighting with a high guard?

    To this day, Floyd maintains Emanuel Augustus was one of his toughest opponents. He was very similar to Conor in the sense he didn't move like a pro boxer, he didn't defend like a pro boxer and he gave zero fooks.

    Fair enough Floyd still stopped him in the 9th but Augustus landed plenty early on while Floyd was figuring out his goofy awkward movements.

    My point is this - Conor isn't a boxer. If he tries to become a boxer (fighting in a traditional stance and traditional guard) then he will just add his name to the other 49 boxers Floyd has beaten. His shot at victory (however small) is by doing things none of the others have done. A karate stance and carrying his hands low would certainly be something Floyd hasn't seen before :pac:


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  • #1477
    StringerBell
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    Floyd via DQ
    Just because it is unusual doesn't mean it is of any use.

    I dunno why people bother arguing this, in a boxing match this is over whenever Floyd wants to go home. It is that simple.

    He is old, he is slower, his offensive output is poor, he is still going to slap the head off McGregor and any of the pre fight hype to sell tickets will be done away with once the bell rings, the gulf in class will be apparent.

    Would it be sweet to see Mayweather sparked out in the middle of the ring? Oh hell yes, but lets not give this bout any more credibility then it deserves, its a money making excercise that all involved are doing very well out of. Fair play to them, but lets no try to kid anybody with regard to what this is.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #1478
    CatFromHue
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    StringerBell wrote: »
    Just because it is unusual doesn't mean it is of any use.

    I agree.

    An example put forth on this thread was how Italy played against England in this years 6 Nations, they didn't contest the ruck which is pretty strange but makes no offside line.

    They still lost by 21 points!


  • #1479
    noc1980
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    James Toney's reaction to being asked about Conor's boxing coach saying he would knock Floyd out... "He doesn't have a boxing coach"

    100m payday and you've got MMA coaches and Irish amateurs to spar with in preparation for battle against our generation's greatest boxer.

    Imagine Roger Mayweather coaching Floyd wrestling for an MMA bout. C'mon!


  • #1480
    Too Tough To Die
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    Floyd via DQ
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    You don't have to scream "fanboy" anytime someone challenges you on your snarky posts.

    I asked what do you want him to do in all seriousness. If you were his head coach here what would your plan be? Carrying a high guard has never been his thing and he very rarely shells up either. Nearly all of his KO's and TKO's have been punches thrown from the hip or counters after slipping punches with no guard.

    Do you think Conor has enough time to practice fighting with a high guard?

    To this day, Floyd maintains Emanuel Augustus was one of his toughest opponents. He was very similar to Conor in the sense he didn't move like a pro boxer, he didn't defend like a pro boxer and he gave zero fooks.

    But one key difference between Conor and Augustus is that Augustus had a tonne of boxing ability.


  • #1481
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Genuinely is he comes in messing with a karate stances etc in a boxing bout i will knock it off immediately

    Its already a farce as it is dont make it worse.

    Come in , box properly, lose , cash your cheque, go home happy .


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  • #1482
    AlmightyCushion
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I agree.

    An example put forth on this thread was how Italy played against England in this years 6 Nations, they didn't contest the ruck which is pretty strange but makes no offside line.

    They still lost by 21 points!

    The strategy still worked for them and it was useful. England wanted to absolutely batter Italy and build up a huge try/points difference. Everyone expected England to absolutely batter the shít out of Italy. We bet Italy by over 50 points. There was people saying that England would trounce them by more than that. If I remember correctly, the England game ended up being Italy's closest game of the tournament points wise and Italy were winning the game at half time. Italy made a game that should have been a one sided slaughtering into a somewhat competitive game at least for the first half or so. It was an embarrassment for England and Italy surprised a lot of people.

    There are a lot of similarities here to the Mayweather McGregor fight i.e. everyone expects Mayweather to make a fool of McGregor and for it to be a completely one sided fight where McGregor hasn't a chance. Imagine if the same happens in this fight as happened when Italy played England. If Conor loses but still manages to win a few early rounds, lands some big shots and makes it look competitive if even only for a while then he will surprise and impress a lot of people. Sure, it's still a loss but he would have done far better than most people ever expected him to.

    This is why there are the comparisons with Italy. Their unusual tactics didn't get them the win but it made them do far better than everyone expected and they surprised and impressed a lot of people. If Conor can do the same (and I'm not saying he can) then I think it'll be a good result for him.


  • #1483
    section4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭section4


    Burial. wrote: »
    Floyd doesn't get pissed off. There's rarely a more calm fighter in the ring than Floyd. Conor isn't a unique snowflake that'll change that. Floyd's very calculated, there's no reason for him to end the show in round 1. A prolonged beating where he lands every punch he throws over a few rounds before stopping him would be far more impressive. If he landed a beaut in the first that ended the fight you'd have clowns saying it's a fluke punch and calling for a rematch.

    I think that is the main point, flood mayweather never took chances even when he was younger and with an older head he certainly not going to take them now .
    He will just box and when he thinks it time , then and only then will he take a chance.

    It's basically a skip Lorry driver against a formula one driver


  • #1484
    section4
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    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    The strategy still worked for them and it was useful. England wanted to absolutely batter Italy and build up a huge try/points difference. Everyone expected England to absolutely batter the shít out of Italy. We bet Italy by over 50 points. There was people saying that England would trounce them by more than that. If I remember correctly, the England game ended up being Italy's closest game of the tournament points wise and Italy were winning the game at half time. Italy made a game that should have been a one sided slaughtering into a somewhat competitive game at least for the first half or so. It was an embarrassment for England and Italy surprised a lot of people.

    There are a lot of similarities here to the Mayweather McGregor fight i.e. everyone expects Mayweather to make a fool of McGregor and for it to be a completely one sided fight where McGregor hasn't a chance. Imagine if the same happens in this fight as happened when Italy played England. If Conor loses but still manages to win a few early rounds, lands some big shots and makes it look competitive if even only for a while then he will surprise and impress a lot of people. Sure, it's still a loss but he would have done far better than most people ever expected him to.

    This is why there are the comparisons with Italy. Their unusual tactics didn't get them the win but it made them do far better than everyone expected and they surprised and impressed a lot of people. If Conor can do the same (and I'm not saying he can) then I think it'll be a good result for him.
    The problem with that theory is that both teams have been practising the same sport for years but sometimes different tactics
    Mayweather and mcgregir have been practising different sports for years
    Tactics won't make any difference here


  • #1485
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Conor via KO-TKO
    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I agree.

    An example put forth on this thread was how Italy played against England in this years 6 Nations, they didn't contest the ruck which is pretty strange but makes no offside line.

    They still lost by 21 points!

    Isn't the argument more - "How much would they have lost by without doing their offside trick?".

    Wasn't Haskell and Dylan Hartley scratching their heads and looking for the ref to explain to them what the story was?

    I.e. If Conor can come up with a set of tactics that would disrupt the rhythm of the fight and throw Floyd off his normal game even for 4 rounds, it'd be pretty beneficial to him - even if he ultimately loses.

    This thread will be some craic if Conor lands a left hand counter and Floyd does the chicken dance before being TKO'd.


  • #1486
    walshb
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    Floyd via KO-TKO
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    .

    This thread will be some craic if Conor lands a left hand counter and Floyd does the chicken dance before being TKO'd.

    Sure will

    Let's say that happens.

    What exactly does it prove? He landed a KO shot on Floyd...

    I'd still back so many boxers to obliterate Conor in a boxing match....

    He won't suddenly become a respected boxer...


  • #1487
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Conor via KO-TKO
    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    But one key difference between Conor and Augustus is that Augustus had a tonne of boxing ability.

    How do you know that Conor doesn't? You've zero idea how much boxing ability Conor has and neither do I. Until we see him in a boxing ring in an actual match, we can only speculate.

    All his sparring partners are saying he's an extremely good boxer.

    They're all getting paid so I'll take their reviews with a pinch of salt but the one guy not being paid is Conor Wallace because he's not in the camp and he is saying the same thing. I suppose even with him, he might be hoping for future call-ups to the camp for Diaz 3.

    For all we know he turns up on fight night with an improved jab, crisp counters, good footwork, precise combinations and makes a fight of it.


  • #1488
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Conor via KO-TKO
    walshb wrote: »
    Sure will

    Let's say that happens.

    What exactly does it prove? He landed a KO shot on Floyd...

    I'd still back so many boxers to obliterate Conor in a boxing match....

    He won't suddenly become a respected boxer...

    It would prove everyone saying Conor has 0% chance and will land 0 punches were just wrong.

    There's nothing Conor can do in the ring to earn the respect of old-school boxing fans. He could piece Floyd up for 12 rounds and win a 118-110 decision and people still wouldn't show him respect.


  • #1489
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    How do you know that Conor doesn't? You've zero idea how much boxing ability Conor has and neither do I. Until we see him in a boxing ring in an actual match, we can only speculate.

    All his sparring partners are saying he's an extremely good boxer.

    They're all getting paid so I'll take their reviews with a pinch of salt but the one guy not being paid is Conor Wallace because he's not in the camp and he is saying the same thing. I suppose even with him, he might be hoping for future call-ups to the camp for Diaz 3.

    For all we know he turns up on fight night with an improved jab, crisp counters, good footwork, precise combinations and makes a fight of it.


    Yes i do


  • #1490
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    This isnt make belief . This is the real world . There is no tooth fairy or Santa Claus . Its perfectly logical to assume an amateur boxers ability is very poor in relation to an all time great pro boxer.


  • #1491
    walshb
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    Floyd via KO-TKO
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    There's nothing Conor can do in the ring to earn the respect of old-school boxing fans. He could piece Floyd up for 12 rounds and win a 118-110 decision and people still wouldn't show him respect.

    What?

    So, Conor steps in the ring and beats Floyd 118-110 and no respect?

    That would be far more far fetched than the KO, but surely it would garner respect....


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  • #1492
    walshb
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    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    This isnt make belief . This is the real world . There is no tooth fairy or Santa Claus . Its perfectly logical to assume an amateur boxers ability is very poor in relation to an all time great pro boxer.

    But Conor is not even an amateur boxer in the sens of a competing amateur boxer. He is not any type of boxer...


  • #1493
    weldoninhio
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    Floyd via DQ
    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I agree.

    An example put forth on this thread was how Italy played against England in this years 6 Nations, they didn't contest the ruck which is pretty strange but makes no offside line.

    They still lost by 21 points!

    I'd have to say I agree too. Boxing is not a new sport, its been around years. You can look back to the matches from the 20's etc onward and see how it evolved. If a different stance( i.e. karate) worked better, it'd be the stance used by the majority. The reason most boxers use the standard stance is because that is the one that has evolved to be the most effective, offensively and defensively.


  • #1494
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Conor via KO-TKO
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    Yes i do

    No you don't.

    All you have are assumptions, no evidence.
    walshb wrote: »
    What?

    So, Conor steps in the ring and beats Floyd 118-110 and no respect?

    That would be far more far fetched than the KO, but surely it would garner respect....

    Ok so to get your respect as a boxer he needs to beat Floyd on points?


  • #1495
    Burial.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Burial.


    Floyd via DQ
    Why are ye even wasting your time lads...spare your sanity.


  • #1496
    maximoose
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    Floyd via DQ
    wonderfullife wrote: »

    Ok so to get your respect as a boxer he needs to beat Floyd on points?

    How many times across how many threads are you two going to have the same argument. Over and over and over again, it's getting painful.


  • #1497
    walshb
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    Floyd via KO-TKO
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    No you don't.

    All you have are assumptions, no evidence.



    Ok so to get your respect as a boxer he needs to beat Floyd on points?

    If he KOs or beats Floyd in any legal manner he would get respect.

    Same if Floyd stepped into the Octagon and beat Conor.


  • #1498
    walshb
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    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Burial. wrote: »
    Why are ye even wasting your time lads...spare your sanity.

    Nobody is forcing anyone here to debate/discuss. If it's not your cup of tea.........?


  • #1499
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Conor via KO-TKO
    maximoose wrote: »
    How many times across how many threads are you two going to have the same argument. Over and over and over again, it's getting painful.

    Maybe it doesn't read too well sorry :o

    I'd be interested in the reverse discussion too - what would Floyd have to do in an Octagon to earn my respect in that field. I'm thinking if he defended a few takedown attempts or checked a few leg kicks, I would think "wow he did far better than I thought from limited training".


  • #1500
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    No you don't.

    All you have are assumptions, no evidence.



    Ok so to get your respect as a boxer he needs to beat Floyd on points?


    I have the strongest piece of evidence that is possible . He is not a boxer . Im better than Rory McIlroy at golf . Prove me wrong you have nothing to back it up with


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  • #1501
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Conor via KO-TKO
    walshb wrote: »
    If he KOs or beats Floyd in any legal manner he would get respect.

    Same if Floyd stepped into the Octagon and beat Conor.

    Yeah I think it's important to point out if Floyd landed the perfect punch in MMA against Conor and KO'd him cold in 5 seconds, we'd all still think Khabib or Ferguson would destroy Floyd in MMA.

    Ditto boxing. If Conor does land the perfect punch to KO him, you would still have to assume GGG and Canelo would beat him easy.

    Floyd gets hit (by boxers) a lot more than people on this thread are making out, though. He's not some elusive ghost. Every opponent he has ever faced has landed on him frequently. He just makes it look like nothing because he's rolling away from the blows.


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