Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Floyd via DQ

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Anybody else worried about the legitimacy of this contest?

Seems a lot like a pro wrestling storyline.

They'd hardly predetermine/script the fight, no?

Would probably make sense for McGregor for it to be predetermined, so he doesn't get hurt and can go back to the UFC and continue to be the big man.

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Anybody else worried about the legitimacy of this contest?

Seems a lot like a pro wrestling storyline.

They'd hardly predetermine/script the fight, no?

How dare you mention such an outlandish thing.....

Your likes aren't welcome here....

Conspiracy theorist!

Alf Veedersane

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Rubbish, he hits way harder than Diaz and Diaz buckled McGregor a couple of times.

I'm not sure who could verify who hits harder between Diaz and Mayweather.

FWIW, Mayweather hasn't had a proper KO/TKO since he beat Ricky Hatton 10 years ago.

But it doesn't really matter because Mayweather is a supremely skilled boxer and McGregor is. I don't really see an argument beyond having a one-punch chance.

Too Tough To Die

Floyd via DQ

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Anybody else worried about the legitimacy of this contest?

Seems a lot like a pro wrestling storyline.

They'd hardly predetermine/script the fight, no?

That would be very illegal.

Alf Veedersane

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Would probably make sense for McGregor for it to be predetermined, so he doesn't get hurt and can go back to the UFC and continue to be the big man.

No matter how he loses, he'd still return to the UFC continue to be 'the big man' because he's LW champion....

xtal191

Floyd via KO-TKO

Ceniamo105 wrote: »

No, no he doesn't. Diaz is over 6 foot and walks around at about 190 pounds with a 76 inch reach and decent and decent boxing skills. Don't be bloody ridiculous. Floyd hasn't gotten a proper KO in 10 years.

I really hate when people bring this up, yes its true he hasn't KO'd anyone since Hatton (I'm not including Ortiz) and everyone knows he's not the heaviest hitter but you gotta look at his opponents since.

Juan Manuel Márquez - Never lost by KO
Shane Mosley - Never lost by KO
Victor Ortiz - Lost by KO once before fighting Floyd
Miguel Cotto - Lost to Pacman by KO and Margarito who prob had illegal hand-wraps
Robert Guerrero - Never lost by KO
Canelo Álvarez - Never lost by KO
Marcos Maidana - Never lost by KO
Manny Pacquiao - Lost by KO 3 times before Mayweather
Andre Berto - Lost by KO once before Mayweather

All unbelievably tough fighters and not easily finished. Not bad going for someone with brittle hands either.

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

That would be very illegal.

So what? What you gonna' do?

Has to be proved. That means people have to testify and rat out each other.

All it takes is Floyd and Conor to have a quiet word with each other and it's done...

Plenty times where this happens in boxing. One man carries another man. Can be kind of obvious to see, but what exactly are you proving or showing to be illegal?

OR....No quiet words, and Floyd decides himself (alone) to simply carry Conor. How can anything be done about that?

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

xtal191 wrote: »

I really hate when people bring this up, yes its true he hasn't KO'd anyone since Hatton (I'm not including Ortiz) and everyone knows he's not the heaviest hitter but you gotta look at his opponents since.

Juan Manuel Márquez - Never lost by KO
Shane Mosley - Never lost by KO
Victor Ortiz - Lost by KO once before fighting Floyd
Miguel Cotto - Lost to Pacman by KO and Margarito who prob had illegal hand-wraps
Robert Guerrero - Never lost by KO
Canelo Álvarez - Never lost by KO
Marcos Maidana - Never lost by KO
Manny Pacquiao - Lost by KO 3 times before Mayweather
Andre Berto - Lost by KO once before Mayweather

All unbelievably tough fighters and not easily finished. Not bad going for someone with brittle hands either.

And there were instances in 3 of those fights where had Floyd really stepped on the gas and committed a bit more he could have gotten the KO/stoppage

JMM/Guerrero/Canelo.....

Yes, Canelo. Instances where he was being tagged cleanly and Floyd was dominating.

Lukker-

walshb wrote: »

And there were instances in 3 of those fights where had Floyd really stepped on the gas and committed a bit more he could have gotten the KO/stoppage

JMM/Guerrero/Canelo.....

Yes, Canelo. Instances where he was being tagged cleanly and Floyd was dominating.

Canelo's chin is too good. His defence is suspect alright but I don't suspect GGG will put him away and he is a legitimate puncher.

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

Also, what if Conor decides to kind of take a dive. Dance for a few rds, decide he truly has no hope and then pulls out....

Would anyone be surprised here? I wouldn't. It's a circus....

It's kind of better discussing all these type of scenarios as opposed to the truly ridiculous, that this is a genuine competitive affair/fight.

Sweet Science

Conor on points

He could of stopped Mosley . He was landing at will anytime he let his hands go

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

Sweet Science wrote: »

He could of stopped Mosley . He was landing at will anytime he let his hands go

Forgot that one..

Eyes Down Field

Floyd via DQ

I give it 3 rounds maximum. And that is being generous to Conor. Floyd will win by KO/TKO. Conor will not be able to hit Floyd, And when he tries to, He'll get countered with accurate left hooks, straight rights and right hooks to the body. There is nothing Conor can do to defend himself from it. If he stays away from Floyd, maybe he goes a round or 2 but it's simply delaying the inivitable.

If you want to see a real boxing fight. Watch Canelo Vs GGG a few weeks later.

Too Tough To Die

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

So what? What you gonna' do?

Has to be proved. That means people have to testify and rat out each other.

All it takes is Floyd and Conor to have a quiet word with each other and it's done...

Plenty times where this happens in boxing. One man carries another man. Can be kind of obvious to see, but what exactly are you proving or showing to be illegal?

OR....No quiet words, and Floyd decides himself (alone) to simply carry Conor. How can anything be done about that?

It's not illegal for Floyd to go easy on Conor, but pre-determining the outcome or scripting a fight is a bit fanciful.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Rubbish, he hits way harder than Diaz and Diaz buckled McGregor a couple of times.

Factually incorrect.

Show me the "couple of times"?

He rocked him once over the course of both fights. Conor took 3 steps back after the 1-2 landed. Other than that his legs never buckled. Ever.

That makes it "one time".

walshb wrote: »

All it takes is Floyd and Conor to have a quiet word with each other and it's done...

Plenty times where this happens in boxing. One man carries another man. Can be kind of obvious to see, but what exactly are you proving or showing to be illegal?

OR....No quiet words, and Floyd decides himself (alone) to simply carry Conor. How can anything be done about that?

The first bit of that is so ridiculous yet you've now repeated it 26 times over 2 threads.

Give me ONE good reason for collusion? For Floyd & Conor to risk prison time?

Just one good reason will do thanks.

walshb wrote: »

Also, what if Conor decides to kind of take a dive. Dance for a few rds, decide he truly has no hope and then pulls out....

Would anyone be surprised here? I wouldn't. It's a circus....

Take a dive? There's no quit in Conor McGregor. He proved that in the Diaz 2 fight.

He didn't even "quit" in Diaz 1. Despite everything when Nate had his neck, Conor despite being exhausted still tried the same guillotine escape he performed against Mendes.

If he wanted to 'quit', he wouldn't have even bothered trying to escape it.

You talk some amount of rubbish about this fight for someone who thinks it's a big fix.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

Ceniamo105 wrote: »

Yes it is, basic physics and observation can tell you Diaz is the harder puncher. Diaz walks around at 190 pounds with long rangy arms. Floyd is 5 ft 8 with brittle hands.

Yeah, P4P Floyd hits harder but on pure physics Nate clearly hits harder. Floyd walks at 155lbs, Nate gets as high as 195lbs.

Also factor in Nate hitting Conor with 4oz gloves has more impact than 10oz gloves.

Conor has a rock chin. So does Floyd.

It'll be accumulation of damage either way that stops either of them.

Too Tough To Die

Floyd via DQ

I think Floyd could hit Conor harder than Nate has ever hit him, if he wanted. Whether his hands could handle it, i don't know.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

I think Floyd could hit Conor harder than Nate has ever hit him, if he wanted. Whether his hands could handle it, i don't know.

I was going through the past 10 years and I found 5 separate times he broke one of his hands.

Anyone know what the total number is?

hbhook

Floyd via DQ

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

I give it 3 rounds maximum. And that is being generous to Conor. Floyd will win by KO/TKO. Conor will not be able to hit Floyd, And when he tries to, He'll get countered with accurate left hooks, straight rights and right hooks to the body. There is nothing Conor can do to defend himself from it. If he stays away from Floyd, maybe he goes a round or 2 but it's simply delaying the inivitable.

If you want to see a real boxing fight. Watch Canelo Vs GGG a few weeks later.

Agreed.

GerryDerpy

Conor via DQ

Sweet Science wrote: »

Why wouldnt you ?

My knowledge of boxing is tiny. Since the fight was announced I have tried to get a grasp by reading the posts of the more knowledgable like yourself. And I still don't feel my understanding is growing regarding pro boxer superiority vs McGregor. I accept it is nobody's job to teach me :-)

Would be good to get concrete explanations of why McGregors footage makes him so blatently bad at boxing. Maybe I am naive to think it can be so concisely explained but I will persevere and keep reading.

Ps: I have just thought of an analogy that may help. If you were to ask me what makes a pro soccer player so much better than a good amateur then I wouldn't be able to explain it despite being a soccer anorak. I would say they are just better at every level. Is it the same??

hbhook

Floyd via DQ

Where's the new footage? All's I'm seeing is stuff with mma training included in spots (so I definitely can't comment) or else it's from a couple years ago. He looks slow (hands and feet) with no head movement. But this is all selective footage they're releasing. If we're looking solely at the boxing footage.
Actually I should say, I'm far far from a boxing expert. Far from it and to be honest, I've never found MW's heavybag workouts particularly inspiring either!!

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

hbhook wrote: »

Where's the new footage? All's I'm seeing is stuff with mma training included in spots (so I definitely can't comment) or else it's from a couple years ago. He looks slow (hands and feet) with no head movement. But this is all selective footage they're releasing. If we're looking solely at the boxing footage.
Actually I should say, I'm far far from a boxing expert. Far from it and to be honest, I've never found MW's heavybag workouts particularly inspiring either!!

People judging someones ability from a 20 second heavybag warmup are just as silly as those predicting Conor will look like Ali in there.

George Foreman was a machine on the heavybag but even he looked slow as hell (even for a heavyweight).

Sweet Science

Conor on points

GerryDerpy wrote: »

My knowledge of boxing is tiny. Since the fight was announced I have tried to get a grasp by reading the posts of the more knowledgable like yourself. And I still don't feel my understanding is growing regarding pro boxer superiority vs McGregor. I accept it is nobody's job to teach me :-)

Would be good to get concrete explanations of why McGregors footage makes him so blatently bad at boxing. Maybe I am naive to think it can be so concisely explained but I will persevere and keep reading.

Ps: I have just thought of an analogy that may help. If you were to ask me what makes a pro soccer player so much better than a good amateur then I wouldn't be able to explain it despite being a soccer anorak. I would say they are just better at every level. Is it the same??

From a basic point of view his punches look slow . He also doesn't seem to have many punches in his locker based on his mma career to date . He has mastered a couple and all his work seems to centered around landing them

From the footage the main 2 things that stood out was how bad his feet were . They seem to cross over aswel which is a big no no . If they cross while throwing even a check hook could put him down

In MMA his opponents are quite poor boxing wise which means he can rely on his agility to slip their punches but that won't work boxing a pro boxer . His will rely on unorthodox movement as per JK to avoid and land punches . this will leave him square on and actually easier to hit

Lastly the jab man . Can't emphasise how important it is offensively and defensively . it doesn't look great from what I've seen . This will be his main issue IMO . He will have nothing to set up a left with and he will have nothing to keep Floyd from landing

Burial.

Floyd via DQ

Nate Diaz has 4 KO's in his 21 wins. He's hardly a powerful puncher. It would only make sense that Floyd hits harder. If a guy like Nate stunned Conor then he's f*cked against a guy who actually has proper punch technique.

XsApollo

Timing beats speed and precision beats power :-)

Joeseph Balls

Floyd via DQ

XsApollo wrote: »

Timing beats speed and precision beats power :-)

Two things Mayweather is excellent at...

Seanpen

Anybody no of any hotels in Dublin that will show the fight ?

Gamebred

Floyd via KO-TKO

Burial. wrote: »

Nate Diaz has 4 KO's in his 21 wins. He's hardly a powerful puncher. It would only make sense that Floyd hits harder. If a guy like Nate stunned Conor then he's f*cked against a guy who actually has proper punch technique.

Usually boxes people up then sub's them when they shoot.

Sweet Science

Conor on points

Gamebred wrote: »

Usually boxes people up then sub's them when they shoot.

Thought he was poor boxing wise v conor . he was more a brawler in the 2nd fight . that 1-2 he caught conor with in the 1st was because he was too tired to defend himself

Lukker-

Sweet Science wrote: »

Thought he was poor boxing wise v conor . he was more a brawler in the 2nd fight . that 1-2 he caught conor with in the 1st was because he was too tired to defend himself

His fundamentals are solid IMO. He's pretty good at slipping and rolling punches. His timing is pretty good and he's got a good 1-2 and a solid jab. He would be a decent boxer, he has an excellent gas tank and an iron chin. Andre Ward would hardly be bringing in bums for his training camps.