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  • #3992
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Former Former wrote: »
    I don't think anyone really believes Gatland has picked Warburton because of Welsh bias. I don't think "irishman86" even believes it.

    I 100% do believe so


  • #3993
    aloooof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,851 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    irishman86 wrote: »
    (Id take Care any day of the week alas hes English not Welsh so didnt make it)

    You do know Ben Youngs was in the original squad, right?


  • #3994
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    irishman86 wrote: »
    I 100% do believe so

    Nah. You're just digging your heels in but you know it's nonsense.


  • #3995
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Its a pity you cannot put together a coherent argument tho. You have it decided gatland picked the team on bias and wont look at the overall picture.

    Really Ill dumb it down then, which I thought I already did
    If a player is selected because of past association over another that is bias
    Ill give you a Irish example so you understand.
    When ROG got picked over Jonny Sexton towards the end of his career because Kidney had past association with ROG that is bias
    If ye cant understand that, well I cant help ye


  • #3996
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    aloooof wrote: »
    You do know Ben Youngs was in the original squad, right?

    Yes and well, if you dont understand why I didnt select him, well I guess you just dont follow rugby.
    Youngs being in the squad had little reasoning to Webb getting in over Care though


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  • #3997
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Really Ill dumb it down then, which I thought I already did
    If a player is selected because of past association over another that is bias
    Ill give you a Irish example so you understand.
    When ROG got picked over Jonny Sexton towards the end of his career because Kidney had past association with ROG that is bias
    If ye cant understand that, well I cant help ye

    Which is still not a coherent argument. Its just a rant for the sake of it. You have no coherent logical argument about why players have been selected. Just your own perceived sense of injustice.


  • #3998
    aloooof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,851 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Yes and well, if you dont understand why I didnt select him, well I guess you just dont follow rugby.
    Youngs being in the squad had little reasoning to Webb getting in over Care though

    Again, the reason why you didn't select Youngs is immaterial. Gatland did.

    And your claim is that Care wasn't picked by Gatland because he's English, not Welsh. Why didn't this apply to the evidently inferior Youngs? Your argument of X wasn't selected because he's not Welsh is demonstrably nonsense.


  • #3999
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Which is still not a coherent argument. Its just a rant for the sake of it. You have no coherent logical argument about why players have been selected. Just your own perceived sense of injustice.

    Really, you havent a clue buddy. Ive dumbed it down as far as I can go.
    Lets see Jones got destroyed against the AB's, he isnt physically able to play them but still got selected, bias thats why.
    Warburton will also get destroyed as hes got no fitness and isnt in any sort of form, why did he get picked bias thats why.


  • #4000
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    aloooof wrote: »
    Again, the reason why you didn't select Youngs is immaterial. Gatland did.

    And your claim is that Care wasn't picked by Gatland because he's English, not Welsh. Why didn't this apply to the evidently inferior Youngs? Your argument of X wasn't selected because he's not Welsh is demonstrably nonsense.

    Who said Youngs in inferior, I didnt. Care wasnt selected as Gatland took his first choice scrum half over a better operator from England. Ignore it all you like


  • #4001
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Who said Youngs in inferior, I didnt. Care wasnt selected as Gatland took his first choice scrum half over a better operator from England. Ignore it all you like

    Why did he select Youngs and not Care?

    Why did he select Murray and not Care?

    Why did he select Laidlaw and not Care?

    Why doesn't Eddie Jones pick Care at 9?


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  • #4002
    Buer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Why did he select Youngs and not Care?

    Why did he select Murray and not Care?

    Why did he select Laidlaw and not Care?

    Why doesn't Eddie Jones pick Care at 9?

    I see those Welsh b*stards have gotten to you too.


  • #4003
    aloooof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,851 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Who said Youngs in inferior, I didnt. Care wasnt selected as Gatland took his first choice scrum half over a better operator from England. Ignore it all you like

    Ah. Yes. You did.
    irishman86 wrote: »
    Yes and well, if you dont understand why I didnt select him [Youngs], well I guess you just dont follow rugby.


  • #4004
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Why did he select Youngs and not Care?

    Why did he select Murray and not Care?

    Why did he select Laidlaw and not Care?

    Why doesn't Eddie Jones pick Care at 9?

    Laidlaw was from scottish pressure, Murray and Youngs are both better players


  • #4005
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    aloooof wrote: »
    Ah. Yes. You did.

    I didnt select Youngs because of his sister in laws sickness you clown
    Youngs pushes Murray for me


  • #4006
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Laidlaw was from scottish pressure, Murray and Youngs are both better players

    Most people would agree Rhys Webb is a better player. Webb has been one of the best scrum halves in the northern hemisphere for the past couple of years.


  • #4007
    Maisie Wailing Beagle
    Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Maisie Wailing Beagle


    Rhys Webb is an excellent scrum half. So is Gareth Davies for that matter, he actually would have been worthy of a Lions appearance in one of those games he benched in.


  • #4008
    Erik Shin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Erik Shin


    There a serious amount of POM-type pashun in here today, ye're all honorary Munster men today lads






    :D


  • #4009
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Most people would agree Rhys Webb is a better player. Webb has been one of the best scrum halves in the northern hemisphere for the past couple of years.

    Nobody says Webb is better than Youngs and Murray. Im better than Laidlaw never mind Care being so


  • #4010
    aloooof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,851 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    irishman86 wrote: »
    I didnt select Youngs because of his sister in laws sickness you clown
    Youngs pushes Murray for me

    I read this..
    irishman86 wrote: »
    Yes and well, if you dont understand why I didnt select him, well I guess you just dont follow rugby.

    ...as an implication that you thought Youngs didn't justify his place over Care. Given the condescending tone and hubris of your other posts, it could easily be misconstrued this way.

    In any case, it doesn't explain your argument that Care wasn't picked because he was English, when Youngs was. Or are you conceding that, in some cases, Gatland does pick the superior player, regardless of nationality?

    In any case, I'm pretty much done with this argument.


  • #4011
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Nobody says Webb is better than Youngs and Murray. Im better than Laidlaw never mind Care being so

    Maybe not Murray, but yes there are quite a few people who would consider Webb better than Youngs, especially at his best. Including myself.


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  • #4012
    Maisie Wailing Beagle
    Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Maisie Wailing Beagle


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Maybe not Murray, but yes there are quite a few people who would consider Webb better than Youngs, especially at his best. Including myself.

    If Leinster could poach one or the other I'd definitely take Webb.


  • #4013
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Lads I'm lost here.

    Was it Webb with the candlestick in the drawing room?


  • #4014
    Buer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Based on the last couple of years who on earth would take Ben Youngs over Rhys Webb?!


  • #4015
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    aloooof wrote: »
    I read this..



    ...as an implication that you thought Youngs didn't justify his place over Care. Given the condescending tone and hubris of your other posts, it could easily be misconstrued this way.

    In any case, it doesn't explain your argument that Care wasn't picked because he was English, when Youngs was. Or are you conceding that, in some cases, Gatland does pick the superior player, regardless of nationality?

    In any case, I'm pretty much done with this argument.

    You read really really incorrectly as I clearly stated it was for other reasons
    Off course he was going to pick youngs over Laidlaw he was harldy going to take Davies even he isnt that stupid


  • #4016
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Maybe not Murray, but yes there are quite a few people who would consider Webb better than Youngs, especially at his best. Including myself.
    Billy Beautiful Guillotine wrote: »
    If Leinster could poach one or the other I'd definitely take Webb.

    In rugby world you would be in the minority


  • #4017
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    irishman86 wrote: »
    In rugby world you would be in the minority

    No, I very much doubt it. Certainly seem to be in the majority in this thread anyway.


  • #4018
    Ardillaun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I don't envy Gatland. 30-15 could be the best result we get but he's under massive pressure to make changes. I just hope Farrell eats his spinach this week.


  • #4019
    Dog Botherer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭Dog Botherer


    Care is good against teams who defend loosely, or teams tiring in the last 20 minutes.

    Neither apply to New Zealand.


  • #4020
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    No, I very much doubt it. Certainly seem to be in the majority in this thread anyway.

    I doubt that


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  • #4021
    Bleating Lamb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,932 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    Going by Irish time....What time approx are kick off and end of game tomorrow,allowing for half time....thanks....will be on a tight schedule to get to see it!


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