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Erik Shin · 30-06-2017 10:33AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Really??

What makes you think that?

Shhh

Erik Shin · 30-06-2017 10:34AM

Buer wrote: »

Grand. That doesn't change the fact that your posts scream dismay about POM being ditched.

Not a bit...the only one screaming is you...
I would happily have all Munster players at home right now....I'm in a minority and I accept that...

Buer · 30-06-2017 10:36AM

Erik Shin wrote: »

Not a bit...the only one screaming is you...

POM isn't tour Captain
POM has no reason to big himself up in the press
POM's ego wasn't hurt
POM has class.

Here endeth the lesson

Yes, you're obviously not over-sensitive at all about POM being dropped for Warburton :pac:!

Erik Shin · 30-06-2017 10:37AM

Buer wrote: »

Yes, you're obviously not over-sensitive at all about POM being dropped for Warburton :pac:!

Not a bit, glad you've finally gotten it..

irishbucsfan · 30-06-2017 10:38AM

Where is the context for Warburton's quote that suggests he believes the team lacked bravery in the first test?

.ak · 30-06-2017 10:40AM

Someone asked him if he thought POM was a sissy.

He said yes.

Erik Shin · 30-06-2017 10:52AM

.ak wrote: »

Someone asked him if he thought POM was a sissy.

He said yes.

I actually laughed out loud

pickarooney · 30-06-2017 10:53AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Saying that he needs to be brave in absolutely no way whatsoever means any team he has been involved with in the history of the universe were not brave. It's flawed logic.

Just like saying "we need to make our tackles this week" doesn't mean they didn't make them last week or any week before.

This can be broken down further if necessary.

If you're so good at the breakdown, why aren't you in NZ?

Burkie1203 · 30-06-2017 10:57AM

Erik Shin wrote: »

POM isn't tour Captain
POM has no reason to big himself up in the press
POM's ego wasn't hurt
POM has class.

Here endeth the lesson

Which has nothing to do with warburtons mundane cliche ridden quotes.

irishman86 · 30-06-2017 01:32PM

aloooof wrote: »

Eh, except, y'know, last week. When he didn't.

Well actually uh he had Jones starting and Warburton for a wait for it "IMPACT SUB" :pac::pac:
So ya good lad

aloooof · 30-06-2017 01:45PM

irishman86 wrote: »

Well actually uh he had Jones starting and Warburton for a wait for it "IMPACT SUB" :pac::pac:
So ya good lad

irishman86 wrote: »

His selection shows two things, that he will always pick Jones/Warbs his Welsh boys*

* On the bench (Warburton, Halfpenny). Or not at all (North). <--- I must've missed this part of your post.

Long story short, Warburton, Halfpenny and North were perceived as guaranteed starters last week. But still some people cry about his Welsh bias.

irishman86 · 30-06-2017 02:12PM

aloooof wrote: »

* On the bench (Warburton, Halfpenny). Or not at all (North). <--- I must've missed this part of your post.

Long story short, Warburton, Halfpenny and North were perceived as guaranteed starters last week. But still some people cry about his Welsh bias.

I never mentioned North in the context of test squad buddy, Warburton and HP were both selected because they are Welsh on the bench, everyone agreed neither offered any sort of impact.
And this proved to be the case.
Jones was selected twice over better players and prove last week and will again this week hes only in the team because of his history with Gats.
Continue being blind if you want

irishbucsfan · 30-06-2017 02:13PM

irishman86 wrote: »

Continue being blind if you want

HP is not on the bench, there is none so blind as those who will not see.

30-06-2017 02:15PM

irishman86 wrote: »

I never mentioned North in the context of test squad buddy, Warburton and HP were both selected because they are Welsh on the bench, everyone agreed neither offered any sort of impact.
And this proved to be the case.
Jones was selected twice over better players and prove last week and will again this week hes only in the team because of his history with Gats.
Continue being blind if you want

Whether you mentioned North or not is not the slightest bit relevant. He's Welsh and he didn't make the test squad. This quite clearly contradicts the point you're trying/failing to make.

Del.Monte · 30-06-2017 02:19PM

Can we not leave all the recriminations and back biting until after the Lions lose the 2nd Test or how will we manage to fill the Match Day thread?

irishman86 · 30-06-2017 02:23PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

HP is not on the bench, there is none so blind as those who will not see.

So you missed him in the first test, you seem to miss a lot, explains a lot what youre thinking

irishman86 · 30-06-2017 02:24PM

Billy Beautiful Guillotine wrote: »

Whether you mentioned North or not is not the slightest bit relevant. He's Welsh and he didn't make the test squad. This quite clearly contradicts the point you're trying/failing to make.

Tips is Welsh, selecting Welsh players over better players it doesnt matter which ones is bias.

30-06-2017 02:26PM

irishman86 wrote: »

Tips is Welsh, selecting Welsh players over better players it doesnt matter which ones is bias.

And we're back to the start again, you declaring player X better than player Y doesn't make it so. You're as biased as the day is long, there's a very hollow ring to your complaints.

irishbucsfan · 30-06-2017 02:28PM

irishman86 wrote: »

So you missed him in the first test, you seem to miss a lot, explains a lot what youre thinking

So what you're saying is that Halfpenny being on the bench in the first test proved your point. But him not being selected in the second test does not disprove your point.

Have you ever heard of the falsification principle?

irishman86 · 30-06-2017 02:30PM

Billy Beautiful Guillotine wrote: »

And we're back to the start again, you declaring player X better than player Y doesn't make it so. You're as biased as the day is long, there's a very hollow ring to your complaints.

Biased :rolleyes: everyone is biased
So ya like I said earlier which everyone ignored. Wales totally deserved 15 players on tour. They did just dominate the six nations :pac:
Oh wait no they didnt they were terrible.
And no one has had a proper argument as to why Warburton or HP were on the bench. Because there is none they are there because they are welsh
So ya my complaints are hollow, but you have nothing at all just nonsense

irishman86 · 30-06-2017 02:32PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

So what you're saying is that Halfpenny being on the bench in the first test proved your point. But him not being selected in the second test does not disprove your point.

Have you ever heard of the falsification principle?

The fact he was selected on the bench at all proves my point. Its not my fault you would rather follow Gats blindly. Ill continue cheering on the All Blacks due to my disgust of this man in charge and will look forward to a proper coach in South Africa

Morris Moss · 30-06-2017 02:44PM

irishman86 wrote: »

The fact he was selected on the bench at all proves my point. Its not my fault you would rather follow Gats blindly. Ill continue cheering on the All Blacks due to my disgust of this man in charge and will look forward to a proper coach in South Africa

So the fact he isn't on the bench now still proves your point? Ya haven't a clue pal. As for your point about Tipuric not being selected, it's simple, that all blacks back row would destroy him physically.

thomond2006 · 30-06-2017 02:44PM

What's your 23 irishman?

30-06-2017 02:52PM

irishman86 wrote: »

I never mentioned North in the context of test squad buddy, Warburton and HP were both selected because they are Welsh on the bench, everyone agreed neither offered any sort of impact.
And this proved to be the case.
Jones was selected twice over better players and prove last week and will again this week hes only in the team because of his history with Gats.
Continue being blind if you want

I don't agree, so not everyone. I thought Warburton had a pretty decent impact. Murray Kinsella thought he had a decent impact in his analysis as well.

On the flipside, I don't really remember Maro 'Impact' Itoje changing the game last weekend.

Former Former · 30-06-2017 02:55PM

I don't think anyone really believes Gatland has picked Warburton because of Welsh bias. I don't think "irishman86" even believes it.

Buer · 30-06-2017 02:56PM

Basil3 wrote: »

On the flipside, I don't really remember Maro 'Impact' Itoje changing the game last weekend.

He had a solid impact. Without forensically going through his time on the field, I recall that he stole a line out when NZ kicked to the corner and made one shuddering hit coming off his own line to kill an attack behind the gain line.

irishman86 · 30-06-2017 03:05PM

Morris Moss wrote: »

So the fact he isn't on the bench now still proves your point? Ya haven't a clue pal. As for your point about Tipuric not being selected, it's simple, that all blacks back row would destroy him physically.

Clearly I have more a clue than some of the posters on here, blindly following the Lions just because

Burkie1203 · 30-06-2017 03:10PM

irishman86 wrote: »

Clearly I have more a clue than some of the posters on here, blindly following the Lions just because

Its a pity you cannot put together a coherent argument tho. You have it decided gatland picked the team on bias and wont look at the overall picture.

30-06-2017 03:12PM

irishman86 wrote: »

blindly following the Lions just because

Just like I blindly follow Leinster just because. Just like I blindly follow Ireland just because.

What a bizarre thing to say.

irishman86 · 30-06-2017 03:12PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

What's your 23 irishman?

The front row would be the same, even a blind man wouldnt change it
Idojte and Kruis would be my second row
POM, SOB and Toby would be my back row
Murray and Sexton
Farrell and Davies
Nowell, Williams, Watson
Id have Best on the bench myself but the hookers have been so so
props same
Lawes and Henderson
(Id take Care any day of the week alas hes English not Welsh so didnt make it) so Webb
Teo
Seymour

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