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  • #3752
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Former Former wrote: »
    Stander hit Lambie in the head. That is illegal under all circumstances.

    Coouncidrntally I read earlier that Lambie is having to take the rest of the year out due to ongoing concussion issues. Hopefully he is able to recover.


  • #3753
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    It's not black and white because you have to define dangerous. For example, a player catches a bomb and gets hit half a second later. That could be dangerous and he could get hurt. Should that be a penalty? Player running at full speed and gets tap tackled. I've seen guys break their arm or get concussed from that. Should tap tackles be banned?

    Yeah.... Which is exactly what law 10.4g does... None of your examples are related at all


  • #3754
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Yeah.... Which is exactly what law 10.4g does... None of your examples are related at all

    Actually it says "trying to grasp" so Kaino could say he was trying to grasp him but missed. You said yourself that his hand was past Murray. What about a tap tackle? Is that trying to grasp?

    Unless it's clearly late it's not a penalty under the current laws. If they change that then so be it but at the moment it's nothing.


  • #3755
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Actually it says "trying to grasp" so Kaino could say he was trying to grasp him but missed. You said yourself that his hand was past Murray. What about a tap tackle? Is that trying to grasp?

    Unless it's clearly late it's not a penalty under the current laws. If they change that then so be it but at the moment it's nothing.

    No a tap tackle is not charging a player. No it's not related to it being late. And no he did not try to grasp Murray at any point.


  • #3756
    Bazzo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Actually it says "trying to grasp" so Kaino could say he was trying to grasp him but missed. You said yourself that his hand was past Murray. What about a tap tackle? Is that trying to grasp?

    Unless it's clearly late it's not a penalty under the current laws. If they change that then so be it but at the moment it's nothing.

    He could say he was trying to grasp Murray I suppose, in the same way that I could say I drive a Ferrari and am married to a Swedish supermodel.


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  • #3757
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    No. Lawes uses his arms. There's no comparison at all there, he's made a legal tackle.

    No comparison but there is a comparison according to you with the Hogg tackle. Seriously buddy come on at least wait a few pages before contradicting yourself


  • #3758
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    irishman86 wrote: »
    No comparison but there is a comparison according to you with the Hogg tackle. Seriously buddy come on at least wait a few pages before contradicting yourself

    Which part of it is contradictory? I said there's no comparison because Lawes uses his arms, which Kaino doesn't and Hogg doesn't.


  • #3759
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Does faletau get a little bit of a nudge on Kaino too?

    Shhh that doesnt fit the Kaino was trying to do Murray thing they have going here


  • #3760
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Which part of it is contradictory? I said there's no comparison because Lawes uses his arms, which Kaino doesn't and Hogg doesn't.

    Clearly Kaino does buddy, Hogg shoulders in the face. Kaino/Lawes tackle way more in common.


  • #3761
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Clearly Kaino does buddy, Hogg shoulders in the face. Kaino/Lawes tackle way more in common.

    No, Kaino does not. Both his hands are on or near the ground when he hits Murray. The video of it is in the tweet a few pages back, I'm assuming you haven't seen it.


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  • #3762
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    No, Kaino does not. Both his hands are on or near the ground when he hits Murray. The video of it is in the tweet a few pages back, I'm assuming you haven't seen it.

    Oh I have seen it, I assume you ignored his hands going for the player unlike Hogg who goes shoulder to head
    So to summarise
    Arm to Leg is not the same as Shoulder to Head


  • #3763
    bmwguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭bmwguy


    Jesus lads give it up. Generation snowflake. Pages and pages of this rubbish about a tackle.


  • #3764
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Oh I have seen it, I assume you ignored his hands going for the player unlike Hogg who goes shoulder to head

    I missed that because it didn't happen.
    irishman86 wrote: »
    So to summarise
    Arm to Leg is not the same as Shoulder to Head

    Yes, that's exactly what I said, if you read my post.


  • #3765
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I missed that because it didn't happen.



    Yes, that's exactly what I said, if you read my post.

    420919.png

    There you go friend, you must have missed this one.
    You are welcome
    As you clearly can see his right hand makes contact with his upper leg the key word is hand not shoulder to face


  • #3766
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    irishman86 wrote: »
    There you go friend, you must have missed this one.

    No, I didn't. I saw that, and then I saw his arm go straight past him. And then I saw at the moment he makes contact both his arms are on or near the ground:

    43j9T5S.png

    And after this he doesn't get any closer to wrapping. Which is why it's illegal.

    You're right that he doesn't hit his head. Which as I said before is why it's not a red card offense as Hogg's was. Before the referee saw that Hogg had made contact with the head he had still sin binned him, it wasn't until he reviewed it that he turned it into a red card.


  • #3767
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,548 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looking forward to the next in-depth analysis of All Black's foul play on Saturday. The breakdown of Cane on Henshaw and Dagg on Stander was impressive last autumn, this non-incident is right up there.

    Why aren't we talking more about Henderson today? Open and shut attempted decapitation in retaliation for BOD incident 12 years and 2 days ago. #NeverForget.


  • #3768
    .ak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Former Former wrote: »
    Stander hit Lambie in the head. That is illegal under all circumstances.

    Absolutely. I'm not saying this was a red card or that stander offence wasn't, just highlighting that "outstretched arms for a block down" doesn't excuse either.


  • #3769
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Basil3 wrote: »
    Looking forward to the next in-depth analysis of All Black's foul play on Saturday. The breakdown of Cane on Henshaw and Dagg on Stander was impressive last autumn, this non-incident is right up there.

    Why aren't we talking more about Henderson today? Open and shut attempted decapitation in retaliation for BOD incident 12 years and 2 days ago. #NeverForget.

    Cane should have gone for 10 as well. Which is exactly what the conclusion was by the citing commissioner.

    Henderson and Te'o are also guilty of dangerous tackles in the past week. The difference is it wasn't ignored by the officials. That's all we're asking for, the ABs to be punished for this pattern of dangerous play, even up the odds a bit.


  • #3770
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,548 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Cane should have gone for 10 as well. Which is exactly what the conclusion was by the citing commissioner.

    Henderson and Te'o are also guilty of dangerous tackles in the past week. The difference is it wasn't ignored by the officials. That's all we're asking for, the ABs to be punished for this pattern of dangerous play, even up the odds a bit.

    There's no conspiracy here. Lots of stuff goes unpunished. Ireland know better than anyone about this, they managed to play an entire RWC match with 15 men when they should have been down to 14 after 30 seconds.


  • #3771
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    No, I didn't. I saw that, and then I saw his arm go straight past him. And then I saw at the moment he makes contact both his arms are on or near the ground:

    43j9T5S.png

    And after this he doesn't get any closer to wrapping. Which is why it's illegal.

    You're right that he doesn't hit his head. Which as I said before is why it's not a red card offense as Hogg's was. Before the referee saw that Hogg had made contact with the head he had still sin binned him, it wasn't until he reviewed it that he turned it into a red card.

    He still clearly attempted to catch his leg and how do I know Im right and your just being biased well clearly the refs and panel both agree with me
    Missing a tackle isnt illegal, doing what Hogg did is Illegal


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  • #3772
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Cane should have gone for 10 as well. Which is exactly what the conclusion was by the citing commissioner.

    Henderson and Te'o are also guilty of dangerous tackles in the past week. The difference is it wasn't ignored by the officials. That's all we're asking for, the ABs to be punished for this pattern of dangerous play, even up the odds a bit.

    Because Teo and Hendersons tackles were the same as Kainos :rolleyes:


  • #3773
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Basil3 wrote: »
    There's no conspiracy here. Lots of stuff goes unpunished. Ireland know better than anyone about this, they managed to play an entire RWC match with 15 men when they should have been down to 14 after 30 seconds.

    Lots of stuff goes unpunished. Lots of play by the ABs in particular goes famously unpunished and they happily take advantage of this moreso than any other team I see us come up against. I don't think there's anything conspirational going on, but it'll continue to be pointed out until they start being officiated correctly.

    I'm not even slightly concerned about the usual McCawesque stuff, although I'd like to see that refereed evenly at least, but the dangerous stuff is massively frustrating.


  • #3774
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    irishman86 wrote: »
    He still clearly attempted to catch his leg

    No


  • #3775
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    irishman86 wrote: »
    420919.png

    There you go friend, you must have missed this one.
    You are welcome
    As you clearly can see his right hand makes contact with his upper leg the key word is hand not shoulder to face

    That's just blatant sexual harassment. Kaino is clearly grabbing Murray's butt. I assume Murray as lodged some sort of work place complaint with World Rugby.


  • #3776
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,548 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Lots of stuff goes unpunished. Lots of play by the ABs in particular goes famously unpunished and they happily take advantage of this moreso than any other team I see us come up against. I don't think there's anything conspirational going on, but it'll continue to be pointed out until they start being officiated correctly.

    I'm not even slightly concerned about the usual McCawesque stuff, although I'd like to see that refereed evenly at least, but the dangerous stuff is massively frustrating.

    I've watched highlights of the RWC final more times than I care to admit, and in the highlights alone, Kepu does 3 swinging arms to the head. He got pinged for one on Carter, but had two others just as bad that were completely unpunished. Watch McCaw after he makes the final pass to Milner-Skudder. Kepu actually tries to remove his head from his shoulders. No complaints from McCaw, no mention in commentary.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY4J1pENLKQ


    My point is, it's not the exclusive domain of the All Black's. Even on Saturday, I was surprised when there was no mention of the high shot on Crotty by Farrell right before Crotty went off. I thought this was the type of thing that was meant to be stamped out.


  • #3777
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    No

    Yes


  • #3778
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Basil3 wrote: »
    My point is, it's not the exclusive domain of the All Black's.

    Noone said its the exclusive domain of the All Blacks. It's just a domain they stray into more than any other side I see us face. Kepu should have gone, you're right. I didn't see the Farrell hit on Crotty but you could well be right. However its not remotely the same thing as the way Murray was targeted by illegal challenges repeatedly.

    I'd be fairly sure it won't happen this weekend at least, given the change in ref and given the Lions highlighting the foul play publically.


  • #3779
    flatty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭flatty


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    flatty wrote: »
    The all blacks aren't really well liked anywhere, so fair enough.

    Thanks for your contribution. Trust life is going well for you. Do pop by for more insightful analysis.

    No, they are not everyone's cup of tea, a consistently successful team never really is outside of its own fan base. Tall poppy is the term you were looking for.

    It always amazes me that posters who never ever post in a forum, spend time scanning the threads, and then add their mindless vacuities.

    Flatty for Gatty, huh?

    Meow
    😂


  • #3780
    razorblunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Full wind up on Stander, barely moved him.


    https://twitter.com/RugbyStudioblog/status/879617087169286144


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  • #3781
    razorblunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    This was the Cane on Davies incident I mentioned earlier.

    https://twitter.com/mike_cantillon/status/879710203901607936


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