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Neil3030 · 26-06-2017 08:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

George, Kruis, AWJ and POM out.
Best, Lawes, Henderson & Warburton in.

Keep the ball on the park, no lineouts.

Grand

This also tends not to end well against the ABs, sadly..

swiwi_ · 26-06-2017 08:15PM

Am I allowed to say I think Gatland (for once) should do his talking on the pitch? Since time immemorial he loves to yap (hello Eddie Jones), but his results generally don't match, unlike Eddie's to date.

Not only is he not well-liked in Ireland, but not too many friends in his homeland either.

I'm still marvelling at the way Hansen got the NZ front 5 purring in the weekend, it was the ultimate 2 finger salute to Gatland. He is better at the subtle media digs than Gatland, who is just too obvious.

There are NH players down the years I have really admired from a rugby point of view: Martin Johnson, Keith Wood, Jonny Wilkinson, Ieuan Evans etc, not to mention players like John Eales, but Retallick was just phenomenal in the weekend there - if you watch the lovely, mazy, jinking run from Anthony Watson, you just see Brodie accelerate from nowhere like a heatseeking cruise missile to tackle him.

A part of me wants the Lions to square it 1-1 in the weekend, although I can really only see that happening if the Lions are more ruthless, or else our friend l'arbitre francais, gets out his cards.

irishbucsfan · 26-06-2017 08:18PM

Gatland should do his talking on the pitch, but so should Steve Hansen. Both of them have been enjoying petty bitching in the media during this tour. Neither of them are as obvious as Jones.

swiwi_ · 26-06-2017 08:38PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Gatland should do his talking on the pitch, but so should Steve Hansen. Both of them have been enjoying petty bitching in the media during this tour. Neither of them are as obvious as Jones.

Ah now, Hansen is droll. I can see why he fully irritates everyone else though. Kind of invites a smack in the face. Hansen did his talking on the pitch, so he has a bit of leeway. NZ is always most dangerous when there is a deathly quiet pre-match. Aside the odd quip from Hansen, it was pretty quiet in the build up anyway.

I suppose this forum asking for talking on the pitch is fairly ironic, no?

irishbucsfan · 26-06-2017 08:41PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

Ah now, Hansen is droll. I can see why he fully irritates everyone else though. Kind of invites a smack in the face. Hansen did his talking on the pitch, so he has a bit of leeway. NZ is always most dangerous when there is a deathly quiet pre-match. Aside the odd quip from Hansen, it was pretty quiet in the build up anyway.

I suppose this forum asking for talking on the pitch is fairly ironic, no?

You were the one who asked for talking on the pitch, so not sure why that would be ironic!

Gatland is droll as well. They both have a sense of humour. Hansen is very likely the better coach, but Gatland has a pretty admirable (albeit not for a while) track record given who he has been coaching and what he has won.

I don't really see the difference between the two.

Bazzo · 26-06-2017 08:57PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

I'm still marvelling at the way Hansen got the NZ front 5 purring in the weekend, it was the ultimate 2 finger salute to Gatland. He is better at the subtle media digs than Gatland, who is just too obvious.

Hansen is about as subtle as a SWAT team through the front door...

A part of me wants the Lions to square it 1-1 in the weekend, although I can really only see that happening if the Lions are more ruthless, or else our friend l'arbitre francais, gets out his cards.

On the very slim chance the Lions win, if Kiwis blame it on Garces it'll look a bit silly after a week of a lot of Lions fans (myself not included, haven't said a word about him) getting flack for having a moan about Peyper.

26-06-2017 09:31PM

Bazzo wrote: »

On the very slim chance the Lions win, if Kiwis blame it on Garces it'll look a bit silly after a week of a lot of Lions fans (myself not included, haven't said a word about him) getting flack for having a moan about Peyper.

I think the general rule is you're not allowed to moan about the ref not penalising enough, but it is completely acceptable to moan about a ref penalising too much.

flatty · 26-06-2017 09:37PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

Am I allowed to say I think Gatland (for once) should do his talking on the pitch? Since time immemorial he loves to yap (hello Eddie Jones), but his results generally don't match, unlike Eddie's to date.

Not only is he not well-liked in Ireland, but not too many friends in his homeland either.

I'm still marvelling at the way Hansen got the NZ front 5 purring in the weekend, it was the ultimate 2 finger salute to Gatland. He is better at the subtle media digs than Gatland, who is just too obvious.

There are NH players down the years I have really admired from a rugby point of view: Martin Johnson, Keith Wood, Jonny Wilkinson, Ieuan Evans etc, not to mention players like John Eales, but Retallick was just phenomenal in the weekend there - if you watch the lovely, mazy, jinking run from Anthony Watson, you just see Brodie accelerate from nowhere like a heatseeking cruise missile to tackle him.

A part of me wants the Lions to square it 1-1 in the weekend, although I can really only see that happening if the Lions are more ruthless, or else our friend l'arbitre francais, gets out his cards.

The all blacks aren't really well liked anywhere, so fair enough.

swiwi_ · 26-06-2017 09:49PM

flatty wrote: »

The all blacks aren't really well liked anywhere, so fair enough.

Thanks for your contribution. Trust life is going well for you. Do pop by for more insightful analysis.

No, they are not everyone's cup of tea, a consistently successful team never really is outside of its own fan base. Tall poppy is the term you were looking for.

It always amazes me that posters who never ever post in a forum, spend time scanning the threads, and then add their mindless vacuities.

Flatty for Gatty, huh?

26-06-2017 10:00PM

Just a warning to anyone who is going to be at the second test this weekend - apparently George Clooney is going to be at an awards ceremony nearby at the same time. If the All Blacks and George both win there is a high to moderate risk of severe smug coming in from the north east.

There may be travel restrictions in place and a possibility of flight cancellations so plan your trip accordingly and be safe out there.

TomsOnTheRoof · 26-06-2017 10:17PM

Just saw this on MF's. Footage of one of the challenges on Murray's standing leg.

https://twitter.com/mike_cantillon/status/879333982596468736?s=09

irishbucsfan · 26-06-2017 10:19PM

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

Just saw this on MF's. Footage of one of the challenges on Murray's standing leg.

There's delusional people who are still trying to argue it was legal. Massive blind spot.

CatFromHue · 26-06-2017 10:19PM

I've never understood the stick Gatland gets. He doesn't really say anything bad in the media, it's very mild stuff really, and his coaching record is fantastic. He's had success everywhere he's gone.

In the ten or so years before he took over Ireland I think we'd 1 third place finish and the rest was all 4th or 5th. He had us finishing third and second!

He won the English league with Wasps 3 times and a HEC with them too.
An Air NZ Cup with Waikato
Three 6N's with Wales

Even with the Lions he's been successful as he won in 13 in Oz and this tour is already going far better than anyone expected.

CatFromHue · 26-06-2017 10:21PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

There's delusional people who are still trying to argue it was legal. Massive blind spot.

Kaino is going very low for a block down.

.ak · 26-06-2017 10:21PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

There's delusional people who are still trying to argue it was legal. Massive blind spot.

Yeah, isn't this the same type of tackle that was being stamped out when lydiate was smashing shin bones?

irishbucsfan · 26-06-2017 10:27PM

.ak wrote: »

Yeah, isn't this the same type of tackle that was being stamped out when lydiate was smashing shin bones?

Yes. Even if Murray was holding the ball when Kaino made contact it's a sin binning.

TomsOnTheRoof · 26-06-2017 10:29PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

There's delusional people who are still trying to argue it was legal. Massive blind spot.

Yeah it was nowhere near legal. Just downright nasty. Can't understand for the life of me why nobody started a scuffle. At least it would have highlighted the incident.

Former Former · 26-06-2017 10:41PM

Not sure that clip is really a smoking gun, you can't see how Kaino connects with Murray. I didn't see the full game so haven't seen the incident properly.

Christy42 · 26-06-2017 10:43PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I've never understood the stick Gatland gets. He doesn't really say anything bad in the media, it's very mild stuff really, and his coaching record is fantastic. He's had success everywhere he's gone.

In the ten or so years before he took over Ireland I think we'd 1 third place finish and the rest was all 4th or 5th. He had us finishing third and second!

He won the English league with Wasps 3 times and a HEC with them too.
An Air NZ Cup with Waikato
Three 6N's with Wales

Even with the Lions he's been successful as he won in 13 in Oz and this tour is already going far better than anyone expected.

Let's be fair. He was one slip to losing against a side with no 12 and no 10 in the first test in Oz. That Aus team was in tatters.

He has also had massive issues with the sh while with Wales which is a big issue. Those players should have achieved more. He has achieved a lot but there are certainly a few asteriks.

irishbucsfan · 26-06-2017 10:47PM

Former Former wrote: »

Not sure that clip is really a smoking gun, you can't see how Kaino connects with Murray. I didn't see the full game so haven't seen the incident properly.

Even from just that angle its clear he hit him low with no attempt to wrap. Maybe not below the knee, but clearly no attempt to wrap so its illegal.

26-06-2017 10:50PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Even from just that angle its clear he hit him low with no attempt to wrap. Maybe not below the knee, but clearly no attempt to wrap so its illegal.

He wasn't attempting a tackle at all

Protection for Murray was non existent down the blind. Kaino backed himself to get at him before he kicked. He didn't.

P.Walnuts · 26-06-2017 10:53PM

Basil3 wrote: »

He wasn't attempting a tackle at all

Protection for Murray was non existent down the blind. Kaino backed himself to get at him before he kicked. He didn't.

So what was he attempting to do?

irishbucsfan · 26-06-2017 10:58PM

Basil3 wrote: »

He wasn't attempting a tackle at all

Protection for Murray was non existent down the blind. Kaino backed himself to get at him before he kicked. He didn't.

None of this makes it any less illegal. You cannot charge a player without attempting to grasp or wrap them, and chopping below the knees is dangerous play.

Attempting to argue this wasn't foul play is mind-boggling to me.

26-06-2017 11:02PM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

So what was he attempting to do?

It was an attempted charge, hence the arms outstretched in front of him?

26-06-2017 11:02PM

Kaino spotted Murray was about to inject some steroids into his knee and he dived in as he knew he hadn't filled out the proper exemption forms.

Synode · 26-06-2017 11:06PM

Basil3 wrote: »

It was an attempted charge, hence the arms outstretched in front of him?

An attempted charge that low and from the wrong side? Sure it was

The Rape of Lucretia · 26-06-2017 11:08PM

flatty wrote: »

The all blacks aren't really well liked anywhere, so fair enough.

Nonsense. Any true rugby fan acknowledges the superlative level of rugby that the ABs are at, and have more or less always led the world in.
Despite a small population and not always the most outstanding physical athletes (compared tothe big strong and/or fast men that Eng and Fra can churn out at a much higher rate), the individual skills levels, coaching sophistication, tactical knowledge, and split second learned habits that have them do the right thing more often than everybody else is quite extraordinary, and can only be admired.
It was there in the past amateur era, it was there in the early professional era (despite the world cup failures), and is flowering in the last 10 years where they're setting the bar so high they are almost permanently out of touch of everybody else now.
Anybody who likes rugby, has to like the ABs. A bit of trash talk is only trivia around the edges, and to be disregarded.
Barrett's pick up 5 mins in on Sat alone was worth the price of a ticket to have been there.
And I'm rooting for the Lions. But the above's the truth.

26-06-2017 11:08PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

None of this makes it any less illegal. You cannot charge a player without attempting to grasp or wrap them, and chopping below the knees is dangerous play.

Attempting to argue this wasn't foul play is mind-boggling to me.

I'm merely informing you that it was an attempted charge down. Has he been cited?

26-06-2017 11:08PM

Basil3 wrote: »

It was an attempted charge, hence the arms outstretched in front of him?

"You're honour, I swear, I tripped and fell and landed with my shoulder directly into his knee..."

Former Former · 26-06-2017 11:09PM

It's a penalty but I'm not seeing too much else tbh. A flanker gets a clear run at a SH like that and he's going to go for it every time.

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