Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

Options
1…5681011…319

Comments

  • Options
    #212
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Trump's tweets today...
    After 7 months of investigations & committee hearings about my "collusion with the Russians," nobody has been able to show any proof. Sad!

    The Fake News Media hates when I use what has turned out to be my very powerful Social Media - over 100 million people! I can go around them

    Despite the phony Witch Hunt going on in America, the economic & jobs numbers are great. Regulations way down, jobs and enthusiasm way up!

    I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt

    He's having quite the meltdown today. I wonder what might be in the news at between 9:30 and 10:30 this evening?

    As an aside, I'm so glad that he tweets and doesn't listen to advisers. If this guy had the ability to take advice and shut up, he'd be dangerous.


  • Options
    #213
    alchemist33
    Registered Users Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Just follow the money trail. I cannot believe the Republicians continue to fully support such a person as POTUS and the danger he poses for world security, if nothing else? He resorts to Twitter when he gets criticism or just rants. He annoys everyone.

    Ironically, given the people who use the term most, he should be the poster boy for "Generation Snowflake"


  • Options
    #214
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    What's also sad is that he's claiming to have 100mn followers on social media when it clearly states 32.4mn on the screen, and the half of those are bots.


  • Options
    #215
    alchemist33
    Registered Users Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Billy86 wrote: »
    What's also sad is that he's claiming to have 100mn followers on social media when it clearly states 32.4mn on the screen, and the half of those are bots.

    Maybe he's adding up Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat etc followers under the assumption they're all different people bots


  • Options
    #216
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    Maybe he's adding up Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat etc followers under the assumption they're all different people bots

    Even if you did assume that every single one is a different person despite the platform, ignored the fact that about half are bots, and included the 'POTUS/White House' accounts, it's still lower than 100mn - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/06/06/no-donald-trump-doesnt-have-110-million-people-following-him-on-social-media/?utm_term=.e9f7207a980a

    Still, we all know if it's easier to tell the truth Trump will still lie - which is what's likely going to end up getting him impeached.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #217
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Still, we all know if it's easier to tell the truth Trump will still lie - which is what's likely going to end up getting him impeached.

    Astounding isn't it? Six months in and everyone now knows that most of what the president of the USA says is a flagrant lie.

    It's beyond even "crying wolf", he lies for no reason, just because he's too lazy to even think about what he's saying.


  • Options
    #218
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,506 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    It always surprising me that Trump has such disdain for MSM, says he has massive following on social media and yet complains that the MSM are leading a witchhunt and he can't get the truth out.

    With access to 100m people, far more than any single media centre, surely he should be leading the narrative.

    He is the first POTUS, certainly the 1st to use it in such a direct way, to use social media as a way around the more traditional media and yet he is suffering for exactly the same issues that past POTUS have in terms of loss of confidence etc.

    It would almost make you think that there is a difference between the number of followers that you have and the number of people that actually agree with you


  • Options
    #219
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Astounding isn't it? Six months in and everyone now knows that most of what the president of the USA says is a flagrant lie.

    It's beyond even "crying wolf", he lies for no reason, just because he's too lazy to even think about what he's saying.

    It's a joke at this point as we saw with Turnbull. The worst thing is that this side of Trump wasn't hidden from the public or anything. The guy was such a well known liar that his lawyers had to meet him in pairs.

    He's an international embarrassment.


  • Options
    #220
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Astounding isn't it? Six months in and everyone now knows that most of what the president of the USA says is a flagrant lie.

    It's beyond even "crying wolf", he lies for no reason, just because he's too lazy to even think about what he's saying.

    I've been thinking about this for a while and it seems to me that Trump genuinely has only the feeblest grip on reality - over and over he says things that are obviously, ridiculously untrue and the common factor is that whatever he claims to be the truth is simply what he wants to be true - 'I have 100 million followers', 'biggest inauguration in history', 'I invented the phrase 'prime the pump' etc etc etc.

    Long before he was anywhere near the presidency he said his net worth was whatever he felt it to be on the day in question, (the following was said in a legal deposition, not casual conversation fyi):
    'Trump: My net worth fluctuates, and it goes up and down with the markets and with attitudes and with feelings, even my own feelings, but I try.
    Ceresney: Let me just understand that a little. You said your net worth goes up and down based upon your own feelings?
    Trump: Yes, even my own feelings, as to where the world is, where the world is going, and that can change rapidly from day to day ...
    Ceresney: When you publicly state a net worth number, what do you base that number on?
    Trump: I would say it's my general attitude at the time that the question may be asked. And as I say, it varies.'
    http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/21/news/companies/donald_trump/index.htm

    Simply calling him a liar is, I think, misleading. A liar knows when they are lying - I really don't think Trump can really tell fantasy from reality anymore.


  • Options
    #221
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭Christy42


    B0jangles wrote: »
    I've been thinking about this for a while and it seems to me that Trump genuinely has only the feeblest grip on reality - over and over he says things that are obviously, ridiculously untrue and the common factor is that whatever he claims to be the truth is simply what he wants to be true - 'I have 100 million followers', 'biggest inauguration in history', 'I invented the phrase 'prime the pump' etc etc etc.

    Long before he was anywhere near the presidency he said his net worth was whatever he felt it to be on the day in question, (the following was said in a legal deposition, not casual conversation fyi):


    http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/21/news/companies/donald_trump/index.htm

    Simply calling him a liar is, I think, misleading. A liar knows when they are lying - I really don't think Trump can really tell fantasy from reality anymore.

    I am always reminded of John Oliver when someone calls Trump a liar.

    Trump is not lying, he simply cares about the truth as much as a duck cares about the next nominee for the supreme Court.

    It describes him perfectly. I also can't understand how people can complain about the MSM so much while he is in power. It is like complaining about a paper cut when you have a broken leg. If you want people to stop putting misinformation into the public domain then Trump is the best place to start.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #222
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,557 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Trump's tweets today...

    [I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt]

    He's having quite the meltdown today. I wonder what might be in the news at between 9:30 and 10:30 this evening?

    As an aside, I'm so glad that he tweets and doesn't listen to advisers. If this guy had the ability to take advice and shut up, he'd be dangerous.

    Humourously wonders if Rod Rosenstein was making an oblique reference to official releases as well, given the time of day his statement was released; I did not tell the President to fire the FBI Director! :D


  • Options
    #223
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,557 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The US Entertainment Industry job levels got a boost when Don took up office, so he has increased the economy and jobs...

    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj2y62N0sLUAhVML8AKHRS2DL4QqUMIKzAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2F2017%2F06%2Fwatch-conan-obrien-spots-a-hilarious-nervous-tic-that-shows-when-jeff-sessions-is-lying%2F&usg=AFQjCNGR8ghhelpmeps3CcnxjaFNHVQa_g

    Plus there's Alec......


  • Options
    #224
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Simply calling him a liar is, I think, misleading. A liar knows when they are lying - I really don't think Trump can really tell fantasy from reality anymore.

    This. I keep coming back to the same point: the man isn't sane. I'm fairly certain he genuinely believes that he had the largest inauguration crowd, etc.

    It raises an interesting question about perjury: if when he lies under oath, it may not even be perjury in the truest sense, because he'll be saying what he believes to be true, even if it contradicts something else he said minutes before, which he also believed to be true.

    In no way is he psychologically fit for the office he holds.


  • Options
    #225
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,506 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    This. I keep coming back to the same point: the man isn't sane. I'm fairly certain he genuinely believes that he had the largest inauguration crowd, etc.

    It raises an interesting question about perjury: if when he lies under oath, it may not even be perjury in the truest sense, because he'll be saying what he believes to be true, even if it contradicts something else he said minutes before, which he also believed to be true.

    In no way is he psychologically fit for the office he holds.

    But to go with that theory, one must also assume that all his "truths" just happen to be in his favour.

    I think he is just used to making things up to suit himself and has rarely, certainly not publicly, been called out on them before.

    Didn't he say in his book (I haven't read it) that you need to say whatever to get the deal done, worry about delivering afterwards.

    In the case of POTUS, what he says actually is taken to mean something and people don't simply forget on move on. And he can't simply move onto to a new deal. So drop out of US POTUS and run for UK for example.


  • Options
    #226
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    But to go with that theory, one must also assume that all his "truths" just happen to be in his favour.

    Of course! As well as being a sociopath and a pathological liar, he's also a narcissist.

    If you've been lucky enough never to have shared any part of your life with a narcissist, it's hard to comprehend what's going on here. But if you haven't been that lucky, everything Trump says and does is following an all-too-familiar pattern.

    So, again: I think he believes the things he says, because he's the all-important centre of his own personal universe, and he's psychologically incapable of believing anything negative about himself.


  • Options
    #227
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,256 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Astounding isn't it? Six months in and everyone now knows that most of what the president of the USA says is a flagrant lie.

    It's beyond even "crying wolf", he lies for no reason, just because he's too lazy to even think about what he's saying.

    It looks to me as if he doesn't even know what the difference is between the truth and a lie. It seems to me that the only thing important to him is whatever is on his mind at any particular time. Whether that happens to be fact or bull**** really makes no difference whatsoever.


  • Options
    #228
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,915 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    unusual exchange recorded with Sen McCain

    rs-mccain-vox-ahca.jpeg

    https://trofire.com/2017/06/16/bizarre-exchange-mccain-refuses-talk-contents-ahca/

    So just further adds to the cluster****ery of the AHCA debacle. Some speculate that the GOP will indeed slip the bill through the Senate in the most slippery manner they can under congressional rules: https://thinkprogress.org/republicans-wont-make-health-care-bill-public-ad0c5dafc89c meaning the bill, in whatever form, won't likely be introduced to the Senate until the GOP has the 51 votes they need within their own party. That would leave only 20 hours of debate on the senate floor, and as little as a day or two for the public to absorb and react to the contents of the bill, before it gets a vote.

    But clearly it seems to me that if this is the state of things, they should just move along and introduce the conversation to the Senate floor and allow for a full debate on the matter, as it doesn't seem they are likely to pass something that will get the 51 internal votes they need; thus they will probably have to appeal to democrats to cross the aisle.

    Recall that earlier this year they kept the house version of the bill under lock and key and only let people look at the bill in a lone room on the hill. The lack of transparency is truly astounding, we aren't talking about signing off on some agency's black budget or something, this is health care law for American citizens for crying out loud.

    The only way to stop the bill at that point would of course be a veto, which is only going to happen IF (a big if) there is universal outcry about it, including from Trump's "loyalists."


  • Options
    #229
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Andrew Sullivan seems to agree with me:
    ...this crisis is more dangerous because the president has not only been trying to prevent or rig any such investigation for months — demanding personal loyalty from the FBI director, pressuring national intelligence officials to exonerate him before the inquiry is finished — but also continues to boast about this obstruction of justice as if there were nothing wrong with it at all.

    Which brings us to Trump’s mental illness, by which I mean simply that he would not pass a clinical psych test for any other job in the country.


  • Options
    #230
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,915 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I think most Americans would happily get on board with a Pence presidency at the moment.


  • Options
    #231
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Overheal wrote: »
    I think most Americans would happily get on board with a Pence presidency at the moment.

    It would be both better, and worse.

    Better, in the sense that at least you wouldn't have an insane person destabilising everything he touches, at home and abroad (cf Qatar).

    Worse, in the sense that Pence is despicable and relatively competent, which means his god-awful right-wing agenda stands a better chance of succeeding, because he wouldn't be stepping on his own dick every time he tried to get anything done.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #232
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,915 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Rod Rosenstein now says he may also have to recuse himself, due to his involvement in the firing of FBI Director James Comey

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/deputy-attorney-general-privately-acknowledges-recuse-russia-probe/story?id=48080253

    The 'Russia Cloud' just keeps growing.


  • Options
    #233
    circadian
    Registered Users Posts: 6,918 ✭✭✭circadian


    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875701471999864833


    The meltdown is happening. It looks like Mueller has hired some seriously talented staff including several money laundering specialists. This will be a long haul investigation and I can only imagine Trumps tweets and behaviour to become more erratic unless someone can stop him from himself.


  • Options
    #234
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,734 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    The delusion is strong today, spare a thought for Rosenstein who appears to be destined to go under a bus shortly!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875732813278048256

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875701471999864833

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875698062030778368

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875690204564258816

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875682853585129472


  • Options
    #235
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Overheal wrote: »
    Rod Rosenstein now says he may also have to recuse himself, due to his involvement in the firing of FBI Director James Comey

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/deputy-attorney-general-privately-acknowledges-recuse-russia-probe/story?id=48080253

    The 'Russia Cloud' just keeps growing.

    I don't think Mueller is going anywhere though.

    Besides all that, I'm looking forward to you guys arguing about abortion and trickle down economics again. Right now, US politics is basically an argument between those who think Trump is completely unfit and those making excuses for him. It's ridiculous.


  • Options
    #236
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Inquitus wrote: »
    The delusion is strong today, spare a thought for Rosenstein who appears to be destined to go under a bus shortly!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875732813278048256

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875701471999864833

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875698062030778368

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875690204564258816

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875682853585129472

    The unhingedness of Trump's twitter outbursts correlate quite strongly with the gravity of the day's upcoming news from WaPo and NYT; which usually arrives at around 22.00 Irish time.


  • Options
    #237
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Great news is 50%?


  • Options
    #238
    circadian
    Registered Users Posts: 6,918 ✭✭✭circadian


    Trump's personal lawyer hires an attorney

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/338139-trumps-personal-lawyer-hires-attorney-report


  • Options
    #239
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,161 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Trump and his acolytes now know, that this Mueller investigation is serious and won't stop. But Trump's instinct is to fight back and so they are already attacking Mueller and his new team. They just don't understand, that it's totally ineffective.
    It may not be Trump himself initially, but Flynn, Manaforte, Sessions, Kushner, Cohen, are in the line of fire.
    I suspect Bannon is p***ing himself laughing.


  • Options
    #240
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,360 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Great news is 50%?

    That's a Rasmussen poll which is always an outlier. Every other recent poll puts his approval rating in the thirties including yesterday's Associated Press poll which has him at 35%.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #241
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Water John wrote: »
    Trump and his acolytes now know, that this Mueller investigation is serious and won't stop. But Trump's instinct is to fight back and so they are already attacking Mueller and his new team. They just don't understand, that it's totally ineffective.
    It may not be Trump himself initially, but Flynn, Manaforte, Sessions, Kushner, Cohen, are in the line of fire.
    I suspect Bannon is p***ing himself laughing.
    Yeah, one of the theories is that Bannon is behind some of the leaks. Imagine he is the one having the most fun in the White House.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement