Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

15-06-2017 10:51PM

Money obviously talks but surely the well being of a person must be considered. A non professional boxer v one of the greatest ever. It's totally bizaare.

Outlaw Pete · 15-06-2017 10:59PM

Floyd via DQ

I know McGuigan has been no friend to MMA and therefore not on the best terms with SBG etc but Barry is on record from around six months back (clip below) saying he would be happy to help out should McGregor ever reach out to him...... and I think he would be mad not to take up that offer what with the wealth of knowledge and experience he has.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjPBMBdKzr8

mdwexford · 15-06-2017 11:06PM

walshb wrote: »

Big upper body alright...

His "size" will be of no benefit against Mayweather. If anything it will be a hindrance. Clearly slower than Floyd as well as being a bigger target.

If people are thinking Conor's weight advantage is going to hurt Floyd they really gave no clue about the nuances of boxing or the mechanical innate skills of Mayweather.

Nobody has any clue apart from you it seems.

Joeseph Balls · 15-06-2017 11:16PM

Floyd via DQ

mdwexford wrote: »

Nobody has any clue apart from you it seems.

In fairness to walsh, and he is regularly disagreed with here on the boxing forum, that's a valid point. Very valid. We've seen conor sparring a pro boxer. He missed with the left and took a left and a right, before his hand came back up to guard. He's fighting Floyd, that **** will happen over and over. I hope Conor wins, I do, but he is being picked off here all night.

walshb · 15-06-2017 11:17PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

mdwexford wrote: »

Nobody has any clue apart from you it seems.

Sounds about right.

mdwexford · 15-06-2017 11:24PM

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

In fairness to walsh, and he is regularly disagreed with here on the boxing forum, that's a valid point. Very valid. We've seen conor sparring a pro boxer. He missed with the left and took a left and a right, before his hand came back up to guard. He's fighting Floyd, that **** will happen over and over. I hope Conor wins, I do, but he is being picked off here all night.

Doesn't surprise me, from reading his posts over the last day or two he seems pretty annoying.

I think it could be a cagey affair, at least at the start. People thinking Floyd is going to go gung ho and try and knockout Conor early are mad. Can see him taking his time, working Conor's movement out.

No idea what McGregors tactics will be, will he try and give it his all and take Floyds head off until his gas tank runs out (which could be his best/only way to win) or will he take his time as well. Either way a comfortable Floyd points decision seems the most likely outcome.

I also hope Conor wins of course.

GiftofGab · 15-06-2017 11:28PM

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Money obviously talks but surely the well being of a person must be considered. A non professional boxer v one of the greatest ever. It's totally bizaare.

Ah but in fairness its not just a regular non professional. McGregor us a great athlete and certainly has the professionalism and mental strength to be a decent boxer (not world champ). I reckon he can handle himself against Mayweather without being seriously injured.

Gamebred · 15-06-2017 11:31PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Mayweather will be toying with him from the first bell, will make him gas from hitting air with 10oz gloves on, he will be doing the showboating he does especially against Canelo taking the urine, will rip the body off him into the middle rounds.

Burial. · 15-06-2017 11:34PM

Floyd via DQ

Conor offers nothing really. Floyd's dealt with better speed, better power, better brawling, better movement, better strength, better combinations, better counter punching. He's even faced a more unorthodox and unpredictable guy in Augustus. Floyd solves his opponents early on but there's nothing to solve here.

yabadabado · 15-06-2017 11:39PM

Floyd via DQ

McGregor doesn't have anything that Mayweather hasn't fought/dealt with before.
Very naive that lads think McGregor could just go all out gun blazing and take Mayweathers head off.If that happens it will be an early and brutal KO for him imo.

mdwexford · 15-06-2017 11:41PM

yabadabado wrote: »

McGregor doesn't have anything that Mayweather hasn't fought/dealt with before.
Very naive that lads think McGregor could just go all out gun blazing and take Mayweathers head off.If that happens it will be an early and brutal KO for him imo.

I certainly didn't say that if that's what you are inferring.

It is however probably his best chance to win. Jabbing away trying to score points certainly isn't a good gameplan.

Burial. · 15-06-2017 11:42PM

Floyd via DQ

mdwexford wrote: »

I certainly didn't say that if that's what you are inferring.

It is however probably his best chance to win. Jabbing away trying to score points certainly isn't a good gameplan.

Especially when you don't have a jab.

darced · 15-06-2017 11:45PM

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Mellor · 15-06-2017 11:46PM

Draw

Donald Trump wrote: »

Betting markets often just work off arbitrage. The broker just figures out how to make money.
Suppose 4 people put down 10 for mcG to win and 2 people puts down 10 for MW to win. Then if I'm the dealer I'll give 3:2 for MW and 1:4 for McG. I've taken 60 in bets
So if MW wins I pay out 2 X ( 15 + original 10 back) and keep 10 for myself
if McG wins I pay out 4 X (2.50 + 10) and keep 10 for myself
In other words, I don't care of the actual real likelihood, I just set the odds so that I can't lose!

You're forgetting one thing. You retrospectively change odds like in a tote.

Is your example. MW has been inflated to a silly price. Say you take 1 more bet on MW at 3/2, now your 70 in facing a 75 payout. So you cut him to evens. And take another 2 bets. Now you've taken in 90 facing a payout of 115. You cut MW further and get take another bet on Conor at evens.

How's the payout look now?"

Mayweather is the favourite because he is the favourite in reality. But I guarantee the books are taking way more money on Conor. Lots of people having a cheeky $10 for the lols adds up. Arbing helps to a degree. But a market like this is probably very unbalanced in bets placed.

It's much more likely that the bookies are laying off liability on the exchanges.

StringerBell · 15-06-2017 11:49PM

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

Big weight/size wise?

Height wise he has 1 inch on Floyd..

Has ridiculously long arms..

Still only an inch or two in it though isn't there?

mdwexford · 15-06-2017 11:51PM

Burial. wrote: »

Especially when you don't have a jab.

Everyone has a jab. Just might not be a very good one.

yabadabado · 15-06-2017 11:51PM

Floyd via DQ

mdwexford wrote: »

I certainly didn't say that if that's what you are inferring.

It is however probably his best chance to win. Jabbing away trying to score points certainly isn't a good gameplan.

Did I mention you or quote anything you posted?

Numerous people have mentioned "taking his head off" as if that is something simple and straightforward.
Imo if McGregor had that game plan he would be caught early and hurt badly.

Burial. · 15-06-2017 11:53PM

Floyd via DQ

mdwexford wrote: »

Everyone has a jab. Just might not be a very good one.

Okay...

normanoffside · 15-06-2017 11:54PM

Floyd via DQ

Burial. wrote: »

Just like Floyd/Manny, most people bet with their emotions. Money piled on Manny late because who doesn't like Manny and who didn't want Floyd to lose his 0. Same thing here.

I waited and waited on the Manny Money to come in before lumping on Mayweather Pts at evens just before the off. Gonna do the same here with a Mayweather KO bet. Hopefully will get 6/4 even 5/4 at some point. It will be printing money..

mdwexford · 15-06-2017 11:55PM

yabadabado wrote: »

Did I mention you or quote anything you posted?

Numerous people have mentioned "taking his head off" as if that is something simple and straightforward.
Imo if McGregor had that game plan he would be caught early and hurt badly.

You did not. Just a happy coincidence that I used similar wording and you posted four posts under me.

Certainly isn't simple against someone as illusive as Floyd.

So what tactics would you advise for the Notorious one?

mdwexford · 15-06-2017 11:56PM

Burial. wrote: »

Okay...

Your post was the first stupid one.

At least you have a follower thanking your posts for you.

ebbsy · 15-06-2017 11:57PM

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

pac_man wrote: »

There's not a pick on him. Just a broad chest and upper body. I don't follow his career but he must have killed himself to make 145lbs.

Big upper body alright...

His "size" will be of no benefit against Mayweather. If anything it will be a hindrance. Clearly slower than Floyd as well as being a bigger target.

If people are thinking Conor's weight advantage is going to hurt Floyd they really gave no clue about the nuances of boxing or the mechanical innate skills of Mayweather.

This is somebody talking sense.

Gamebred · 15-06-2017 11:58PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Mellor wrote: »

It's much more likely that the bookies are laying off liability on the exchanges.

They are, I've seen the memos going around Paddy Power/Betfair about them purposely manipulating the exchange on this fight.

Burial. · 15-06-2017 11:58PM

Floyd via DQ

normanoffside wrote: »

I waited and waited on the Manny Money to come in before lumping on Mayweather Pts at evens just before the off. Gonna do the same here with a Mayweather KO bet. Hopefully will get 6/4 even 5/4 at some point. It will be printing money..

I was the same, great night. Floyd KO was 11/10 this morning but I was too late to grab it so had to get it at evens thinking this was as good as it'll get. But with odds on Floyd ML drifting you'd expect everything to drift closer to fight date.

Burial. · 16-06-2017 12:01AM

Floyd via DQ

mdwexford wrote: »

Your post was the first stupid one.

At least you have a follower thanking your posts for you.

I didn't realise I had to phrase things in the literal sense. I apologise to all my followers.

Biscuitus · 16-06-2017 12:35AM

If Mcgregor loses he still wins 50-100? million. The lad just secured enough €50 notes to wipe his arse everyday for the rest of his life. The whole fight is about as professional as The Rock vs Batman. Its not about winning or losing or even fighting, its about money.

wonderfullife · 16-06-2017 12:38AM

Conor via KO-TKO

pac_man wrote: »

Going against the grain is a good way of raising your profile.

I think it's worth pointing out Jason Quigley and Conor have been pretty good friends since at least late 2013 and Jason trained with Conor a fair bit in the lead-up to Conor's fight with Chad Mendes in 2015.

It's *a lot* easier to root for a friend.

yabadabado wrote: »

McGregor doesn't have anything that Mayweather hasn't fought/dealt with before.

There's strong talk coming out of SBG that they are 100% willing to come at this fight from an MMA standpoint. John Kavanagh specifically said as much last week.

What does that mean in practice?

Well, for one thing, Conor doesn't fight out of a *normal* southpaw stance. He fights from a hybrid-karate-based southpaw stance - very wide and extremely heavy on his lead leg. That causes problems for him in MMA because opponents can disrupt his base kicking out his lead leg but obviously Floyd can't.

This sort of stance and range doesn't traditionally work in boxing because it means punches are coming from farther away and top level boxers can time those very easily. SBG are also saying they want more of a rough-and-tumble type fight with aggressive clinch work from Conor.

There's no guarantee Floyd has seen what Conor will come at him with and it may take him a round to get his timing completely down.

Mellor · 16-06-2017 12:46AM

Draw

Biscuitus wrote: »

If Mcgregor loses he still wins 50-100? million.

Yeah. The winners purse is non existant at these level.

Mayweather and Pacquiao only had $400k on the line for the winner. The rest was a predetermined split.

Frank Bullitt · 16-06-2017 01:42AM

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

I think it's worth pointing out Jason Quigley and Conor have been pretty good friends since at least late 2013 and Jason trained with Conor a fair bit in the lead-up to Conor's fight with Chad Mendes in 2015.

It's *a lot* easier to root for a friend.

There's strong talk coming out of SBG that they are 100% willing to come at this fight from an MMA standpoint. John Kavanagh specifically said as much last week.

What does that mean in practice?

Well, for one thing, Conor doesn't fight out of a *normal* southpaw stance. He fights from a hybrid-karate-based southpaw stance - very wide and extremely heavy on his lead leg. That causes problems for him in MMA because opponents can disrupt his base kicking out his lead leg but obviously Floyd can't.

This sort of stance and range doesn't traditionally work in boxing because it means punches are coming from farther away and top level boxers can time those very easily. SBG are also saying they want more of a rough-and-tumble type fight with aggressive clinch work from Conor.

There's no guarantee Floyd has seen what Conor will come at him with and it may take him a round to get his timing completely down.

If they approach it from an MMA standpoint thats even worse. Being heavy on the lead leg in boxing is just as bad as it affects your movement, no kicks to worry about, but you're a sitting duck for counterpunches.

If punches are coming from a far on a normal pro boxer, they will be avoided and countered easy. Do that to Mayweather and you are eating counters for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

The clinch won't work that much for him either because it will be stopped by the ref, as it should be.

Floyd has seen far trickier and far more dangerous southpaws than McGregor, Pacquiao for one, Zab Judah being the other. Both of which had speed and power over McGregor abilities.

Deeper Blue · 16-06-2017 01:45AM

I saw today that Mayweather is 1/6 with some bookies. Worth lumping on?

Edit: I see he's gone shorter since. It appears some people did lump on it.

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