Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

Gamebred

Floyd via KO-TKO

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Admittedly I dont watch alot of MMA but did Nate Diaz not hit McGregor with a couple of shots that did him in. He may not have hit the floor after the hit but those punches ended the fight if i remember correctly? As in Diaz then got the choke hold on?

Wobbled him alright with the 1-2 but thats about as much trouble as hes ever been in during his whole career, never seen him wobble like that before or since (inc diaz 2), Diaz would be a lot bigger than Mayweather less accurate but more power as hes 170 walking round.

Burial.

Floyd via DQ

Not sure about Diaz having more power than Floyd. Not a big puncher by any means. I think it was more so the accuracy that had Conor wobbly than power. Certainly wouldn't consider Conor iron chinned but has good whiskers.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Floyd via DQ

Gamebred wrote: »

Wobbled him alright with the 1-2 but thats about as much trouble as hes ever been in during his whole career, never seen him wobble like that before or since (inc diaz 2), Diaz would be a lot bigger than Mayweather less accurate but more power as hes 170 walking round.

Honestly I would have thought Mayweather had more power but I stand to be corrected on that. Just had another look at it there online, more than wobble to be fair, those punches did him in. A better boxer with heavier gloves if he lands one flush on McGregor's jaw we'll see how good a jaw he has.

on a seperate note I see the public here in Ireland are weighing in with cash on McGregor.

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

wonderfullife wrote: »

So, what you're saying is:

I will wait and see the fight before alleging it was a conspiracy, a fix, a rigged fight.

You clearly know absolutely zero about Floyd Mayweather if you believe he is *somehow* willing to sacrifice a perfect career record to go 49-1 against an 0-0 boxer.

Also, saying it's a "novelty act" is stupid. The only "novelty" involved is that Conor isn't a boxer. They are still going to be winging punches at each other in a 20x20 foot ring with a referee, judges and an athletic commission.

Walshb Translation:

If Conor wins or lands a few good punches or it goes the distance, it was a fix.

At least grow a pair of balls. If you think it's going to be a rigged/fixed fight, step up and say it beforehand.

You're twisting yourself into a pretzel so you can absolutely refuse to give Conor any credit whatsoever if he performs well.

You are again just making stuff up.....

Your going off on wild tangents is odd, but not surprising.

Giving Conor credit is something you keep bringing up. I am not bringing it up.

It's kind of like you are heavily invested in Conor and are taking this far too personal.

Also, I never brought up anything about Floyd sacrificing his perfect career. You are bringing this up.

Like I said, anyone who has such certainty that is is all above board and that there will be no element of trickery or deals or agreements away you go....

I will wait and see. I will make my call after the event.

Gamebred

Floyd via KO-TKO

I think he was done cardio wise before that 1-2, flat footed and asking to be hit, hard to prove who has more raw power but If I'd the choice personally id rather a right hand from floyd than a left hand from Diaz with 4oz gloves.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Admittedly I dont watch alot of MMA but did Nate Diaz not hit McGregor with a couple of shots that did him in. He may not have hit the floor after the hit but those punches ended the fight if i remember correctly? As in Diaz then got the choke hold on?

Nate landed the left straight part of the 1-2 flush, Conor's right leg buckled, he took 3 steps back and responded with a right shovel hook, took another 3 steps back, Conor shrugged his shoulders and threw a right uppercut, left hook combo before Nate pressed him into the fence.

It eventually hit the mat when Conor poorly timed a takedown attempt due to panic/exhaustion. The punches themselves didn't get it to the ground or end the fight. Conor could have easily circled out the round, he admitted he panicked.

What did him in was he was head-hunting at a frenetic pace in Round 1 and he was mouth wide-open gasping for air after on the stool in between rounds. Since then he has been on a non-stop cardio-buzz for the last year and even launched his own fitness program website.

Even his most ardent fans (like me) are still unconvinced about his cardio, especially when he's carrying more muscle mass at 170lbs. Boxing rhythm and cardio are a complete different kettle of fish. I don't know how he'll do but I expect we'll see the first signs of a cardio dump in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

walshb wrote: »

Also, I never brought up anything about Floyd sacrificing his perfect career. You are bringing this up.

Like I said, anyone who has such certainty that is is all above board and that there will be no element of trickery or deals or agreements away you go....

I will wait and see. I will make my call after the event.

LMAO

"I never brought anything up about Floyd sacrificing his perfect career".

NEXT SENTENCE:

"anyone who's certain it won't be a fix away you go....."

You're constantly alluding to the possibility this will be a fixed fight, so yes you are bringing up the possibility Floyd could deliberately throw the fight.

Gamebred

Floyd via KO-TKO

wonderfullife wrote: »

Even his most ardent fans (like me) are still unconvinced about his cardio, especially when he's carrying more muscle mass at 170lbs. Boxing rhythm and cardio are a complete different kettle of fish. I don't know how he'll do but I expect we'll see the first signs of a cardio dump in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

I dont think its a normal cardio issue, I think hes that explosive no matter how much he does in camp he will tire around 8 or 9 mins into a fight, difference is hes learned to regroup and get his 2nd wind (diaz 2 round 4 for example).

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

wonderfullife wrote: »

LMAO

"I never brought anything up about Floyd sacrificing his perfect career".

NEXT SENTENCE:

"anyone who's certain it won't be a fix away you go....."

You're constantly alluding to the possibility this will be a fixed fight, so yes you are bringing up the possibility Floyd could deliberately throw the fight.

Again, making stuff up. And unable to even quote exactly what I typed....

Never mentioned anything to do with Floyd sacrificing his perfect record.

I actually do not think he will do that. He wants to win.

Just because the words staged are mentioned doesn't mean one person agreeing to lose. It can go into more than that.

But you keep quoting stuff that just isn't there.

Being such an ardent Conor fan is making your debating suffer terribly.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

Gamebred wrote: »

I dont think its a normal cardio issue, I think hes that explosive no matter how much he does in camp he will tire around 8 or 9 mins into a fight, difference is hes learned to regroup and get his 2nd wind (diaz 2 round 4 for example).

Yeah it's the Yoel Romero and Rumble Johnson problem, just to a lesser extent.

Even in the Eddie Alvarez fight, one he thoroughly dominated, when you watch carefully he took one huge deep breath near the 2 minute mark of the 2nd even though he was cruising through that fight.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

walshb wrote: »

Again, making stuff up. And unable to even quote exactly what I typed....

Ok, look just so we are clear and I won't mis-represent your opinion....

Tell me: What are the signs you will look for when deciding if the fight was rigged?

Sweet Science

Conor on points

Quigley was hilarious of SSN . Reminded me on Donald Trump in a way .

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

wonderfullife wrote: »

Ok, look just so we are clear and I won't mis-represent your opinion....

Tell me: What are the signs you will look for when deciding if the fight was rigged?

I will let you know after the event....

I think anyone with any education/knowledge on combat sports will be able to see a staged buzz from this. IF that is what happens.......

So we are clear, I never said it will be staged, just that to be so certain that it won't seems naive to me....

I keep hearing people saying that Conor truly believes he can win, as if they are Conor themselves. Only Conor can answer this truthfully. If he truly believes it then I think he's on that sauce so to speak...

I don't think he is going in there to get humiliated or badly beaten up. He's not that type of character, so that leads me to wonder if there is a kind of staged agreement between the two on how the fights unfolds....

wonderfullife

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

LMAO

"I never brought anything up about Floyd sacrificing his perfect career".

NEXT SENTENCE:

"anyone who's certain it won't be a fix away you go....."

You're constantly alluding to the possibility this will be a fixed fight, so yes you are bringing up the possibility Floyd could deliberately throw the fight.

I think he means something like
............... Floyd agreeing to make it an exhibition type fight, ie not knock Conor out in the first round ............ let there be an element of value for money

or not have Conor on the floor on one knee in every round.........

Sweet Science

Conor on points

Augeo wrote: »

I think he means something like
............... Floyd agreeing to make it an exhibition type fight, ie not knock Conor out in the first round ............ let there be an element of value for money

Like Thunderlips against Rocky

TimeToShine

I have never seen a case of "free money" more in my life than lumping on a Floyd KO/TKO. I am not a gambling man but this is nearly too tempting.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

walshb wrote: »

I think anyone with any education/knowledge on combat sports will be able to see a staged buzz from this. IF that is what happens.......


I don't think he is going in there to get humiliated or badly beaten up. He's not that type of character, so that leads me to wonder if there is a kind of staged agreement between the two on how the fights unfolds....

Ha. If "anyone with knowledge on combat sports" can spot a 'staged buzz' then you must know what that looks like before the fight?

Is it Conor landing some solid shots and it being competitive before Floyd KO's him?

Is it Conor clipping Floyd with a seemingly innocuous body shot and Floyd take a standing 8-count before rallying to KO him?

Look, is it possible Floyd "goes a bit easy" on Conor? Is it possible the skill difference is so wide that Floyd toys with him for 7 rounds before KO'ing him?

Sure. That's possible.

But the idea that Conor and Floyd are whatsapping each other discussing how to rig the fight so it's competitive is crazy and frankly looks to me like pre-emptive SALT!

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

Augeo wrote: »

I think he means something like
............... Floyd agreeing to make it an exhibition type fight, ie not knock Conor out in the first round ............ let there be an element of value for money

or not have Conor on the floor on one knee in every round.........

That's one to consider...

I will say that of all the scenarios Floyd losing by agreement is the one most OFF the table....

Look, who knows. It's that out there a scenario that nothing should surprise us.

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

wonderfullife wrote: »

Ha. If "anyone with knowledge on combat sports" can spot a 'staged buzz' then you must know what that looks like before the fight?

I know that. But I was teasing you....

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

wonderfullife wrote: »

But the idea that Conor and Floyd are whatsapping each other discussing how to rig the fight so it's competitive is crazy and frankly looks to me like pre-emptive SALT!

The "fix" or staged element won't be going down like that, if it goes down. There's a whole lot more people involved in this show.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

walshb wrote: »

The "fix" or staged element won't be going down like that, if it goes down. There's a whole lot more people involved in this show.

You're still effectively saying if Conor lands some good shots on Floyd and makes it competitive, that it was a fix.....

wonderfullife

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

You're still effectively saying if Conor lands some good shots on Floyd and makes it competitive, that it was a fix.....

He's not effectively saying that at all.
Sure Mayweather might "gas" due to his age etc :pac:

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

wonderfullife wrote: »

You're still effectively saying if Conor lands some good shots on Floyd and makes it competitive, that it was a fix.....

Look, I think we'll agree to disagree here. You seem to be constantly seeing things that just are not there...I don't know if it's you being intentionally/unintentionally obtuse or you being blinded by your fanaticism for Conor.

If the fight is two fit and healthy men going at it 100 percent committed and with no agreement in place it will not be at all competitive....

The only way this is competitive is for an agreement to allow it to be (or one man, Floyd suffering with his health and being unwell).....and like I said, any knowledgeable fan of combat sports will see it and dissect it.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

walshb wrote: »

If the fight is two men going at it 100 percent committed and with no agreement in place it will not be at all competitive....

The only way this is competitive is for an agreement to allow it to be.....

Ah. There it is.

If Conor does well it's because it's a rigged fight.

You're actually pathetic.

Newsflash: It's possible that Conor does well in a fair fight because he's ridiculously talented with heavy hands. Likely? No. Possible? Yes.

You're a salty hater that's all you are. If Conor does well = fixed, If Conor gets KO'd in the 1st = not fixed.

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

wonderfullife wrote: »

You're actually pathetic.

Leave your OTT love for Conor at the door. It's doing you no favours.

wonderfullife

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

......... It's possible that Conor does well in a fair fight because he's ridiculously talented with heavy hands. Likely? No. Possible? Yes.............

............ he has how many national titles?

Sweet Science

Conor on points

wonderfullife wrote: »

Ah. There it is.

If Conor does well it's because it's a rigged fight.

You're actually pathetic.

Newsflash: It's possible that Conor does well in a fair fight because he's ridiculously talented with heavy hands. Likely? No. Possible? Yes.

You're a salty hater that's all you are. If Conor does well = fixed, If Conor gets KO'd in the 1st = not fixed.

Ha

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

Augeo wrote: »

............ he has how many national titles?

4 world titles.

Sweet Science

Conor on points

wonderfullife wrote: »

4 world titles.

Really ?

Burial.

Floyd via DQ

4 world titles in zero fights. Sounds like a Fight Night Champion glitch.