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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #6482
    thehorse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭thehorse


    thanks, the exchange is about 1.5 miles up the road....hopefully it wont take too long


  • #6483
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,580 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Seems every bundle is different depending on where you view it. Got leaflet through post today and again the prices are totally different again. Even the unlimited calls to all Irish and Uk landlines is out of bundle on leaflet and price is higher. It just has free off peak calls to Irish lines.
    This is what I want, and at a better price that the 90.00. IS THAT POSSIBLE??

    Capturez1.jpg


  • #6484
    daraghwal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Seems every bundle is different depending on where you view it. Got leaflet through post today and again the prices are totally different again. Even the unlimited calls to all Irish and Uk landlines is out of bundle on leaflet and price is higher. It just has free off peak calls to Irish lines.
    This is what I want, and at a better price that the 90.00. IS THAT POSSIBLE??

    Capturez1.jpg

    Do you really need that speed or is that just everything else in that you need?


  • #6485
    KeRbDoG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,391 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    KeRbDoG wrote: »
    Rural R125 Swords RIB05 update: Ground works completed. Seems they had to dig up certain parts of the existing underground duct work (maybe some was damaged/collapsed). Road and footpaths all now correctly reinstated instead of temp coverings. Now the wait begins to see what the next step will be.
    Saw a KN Group van with a mounted cherrypicker type setup driving slowly up the local roads looking at poles and overhead lines. Fingers crossed there be more movement soon

    3x Eir vans parked around the cab this morning - when I got back a few hours later all gone so didn't get a chance to grill them if they had an idea of timeline for fiber being blown/ran.


  • #6486
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,580 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    daraghwal wrote: »
    Do you really need that speed or is that just everything else in that you need?

    I only have one pc and a smartfone .DO I need it , probably not, but it's a want to have the best that is influencing my thoughts.
    The unlimited calls to uk and Irish landlines would be really nice to have. That is a great bonus to be able to call a UK mobile and not worry about cost.


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  • #6487
    daraghwal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I only have one pc and a smartfone .DO I need it , probably not, but it's a want to have the best that is influencing my thoughts.
    The unlimited calls to uk and Irish landlines would be really nice to have. That is a great bonus to be able to call a UK mobile and not worry about cost.

    Depending on your PC and phone, you might not be able to use those speeds or have a need to have them. If it's just a PC and phone and you don't do too much downloading 150Mb would be fine. If you want to go middle of the road 350Mb is also available. I think you can get the same thing just at a lower speed and price.


  • #6488
    John1993W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭John1993W


    Since the map update, my home is marked with with a blue icon and surrounded with nothing but Green icons.

    How are my neighbours able to order fibre when they never had internet to begin with and have no intention of getting fibre?


  • #6489
    random.stranger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭random.stranger


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I only have one pc and a smartfone .DO I need it , probably not, but it's a want to have the best that is influencing my thoughts.
    The unlimited calls to uk and Irish landlines would be really nice to have. That is a great bonus to be able to call a UK mobile and not worry about cost.

    Also worth considering Digiweb:
    https://www.digiweb.ie/product/ultrafast-150-unlimited-broadband-talk/


  • #6490
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,580 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Can Digiweb use Eirs lines. Eir put up the lines here.
    Why would my pc not be able to handle 1000mb speeds.
    It's a windows 7


  • #6491
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Can Digiweb use Eirs lines. Eir put up the lines here.

    Open-eir own the infrastructure, they are wholesaler whose products are regulated by law and so must provide access to third-parties at regulated rates. Google RAP (Regulated Access Products).


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  • #6492
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Why would my pc not be able to handle 1000mb speeds.
    It's a windows 7

    The hardware may not be gigabit (1000 Mbps) capable and may only be capable of 100 Mbps (10/100 Ethernet).


  • #6493
    bfa1509
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭bfa1509


    John1993W wrote: »
    Since the map update, my home is marked with with a blue icon and surrounded with nothing but Green icons.

    How are my neighbours able to order fibre when they never had internet to begin with and have no intention of getting fibre?

    I'm in the exact same situation myself. Unfortunately whoever decides where the fibre goes only cares about the number of houses fibre is available to, instead of who would use it the most.

    In my area, houses bunched together who have had fantastic internet for years all got fibre to the home, yet the houses along my road with terrible copper lines and awful internet get completely overlooked.

    If ever there was a non-internet method of trolling, I've been properly baited by these a-holes.


  • #6494
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    I'm not sure if anyone posted this Rural-Exchange-Timeline document from the fibrerollout website already

    https://c12ad0aaddf547e7aa52-04361240f0fcddabb02028a259afe028.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com/Rural-Exchange-Timeline-24-April-2017.pdf


  • #6495
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    John1993W wrote: »
    Since the map update, my home is marked with with a blue icon and surrounded with nothing but Green icons.

    How are my neighbours able to order fibre when they never had internet to begin with and have no intention of getting fibre?

    Ask Gonzo who is a blue icon and yet is enjoying FTTH. They had some problem with his location/eircode on their system, but after many conversations he got it installed. So it could be this.


  • #6496
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »
    Ask Gonzo who is a blue icon and yet is enjoying FTTH. They had some problem with his location/eircode on their system, but after many conversations he got it installed. So it could be this.

    This is likely to be the case especially if houses on both sides of you are green. It seems to be some sort of eircode/database mix-up. The only complication could be if your house is situated a long distance from the pole infrastructure.


  • #6497
    bfa1509
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭bfa1509


    The Cush wrote: »
    I'm not sure if anyone posted this Rural-Exchange-Timeline document from the fibrerollout website already

    https://c12ad0aaddf547e7aa52-04361240f0fcddabb02028a259afe028.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com/Rural-Exchange-Timeline-24-April-2017.pdf

    My area (+eircode) is down for the first half of 2017 (We're on a yellow line with blue marker). Around 90% of my area (not close to the cabinet) have splice boxes outside except for the houses on my road. Its not even a bad deserted road, it's a busy road with around 50 houses (mine being around the 15th). My sister lives in another part of the area, around 1/2 km away, and she has a fibre to the home connection.

    I am simply baffled as to why they have left us out.
    ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »
    Ask Gonzo who is a blue icon and yet is enjoying FTTH. They had some problem with his location/eircode on their system, but after many conversations he got it installed. So it could be this.

    Conversations with who though? Eir and the engineers in the KN vans don't seem to have any knowledge of who makes the decisions. That just leaves OpenEir, who I can't get in contact with.


  • #6498
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    The only complication could be if your house is situated a long distance from the pole infrastructure.

    Houses too far from the pole (50m+ from the NTP) aren't included at all in the rollout plan and will have to wait for the NBP, at least those with a blue indicator will be done at some point in the future as part of the 300k rollout, whatever the reason for the delay.


  • #6499
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    bfa1509 wrote: »
    My area (+eircode) is down for the first half of 2017 (We're on a yellow line with blue marker). Around 90% of my area (not close to the cabinet) have splice boxes outside except for the houses on my road. Its not even a bad deserted road, it's a busy road with around 50 houses (mine being around the 15th). My sister lives in another part of the area, around 1/2 km away, and she has a fibre to the home connection.

    I am simply baffled as to why they have left us out.



    Conversations with who though? Eir and the engineers in the KN vans don't seem to have any knowledge of who makes the decisions. That just leaves OpenEir, who I can't get in contact with.

    Most of the exchanges that are live are not fully completed so you are not in a unique situation. It is frustrating but all you can do is wait unfortunately. What exchange is it if you don't mind saying?


  • #6500
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    The Cush wrote: »
    Houses too far from the pole (50m+ from the NTP) aren't included at all in the rollout plan and will have to wait for the NBP, at least those with a blue indicator will be done at some point in the future as part of the 300k rollout, whatever the reason for the delay.

    Good point. So it is more likely to be a mix-up like Gonzo's if neighbours on both sides are green.


  • #6501
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    bfa1509 wrote: »
    That just leaves OpenEir, who I can't get in contact with.
    Someone posted this open-eir contact number earlier in the thread (01) 5366550.

    Have you contacted eir via the Talk to forum - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1293


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  • #6502
    bfa1509
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭bfa1509


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Most of the exchanges that are live are not fully completed so you are not in a unique situation. It is frustrating but all you can do is wait unfortunately. What exchange is it if you don't mind saying?

    No problem. I live in the cluster of blue icons. I did a tour of all the roads with the green icons and they have lovely new brackets on the poles with high tension fibre lines and shiny new splice boxes. We're left with the same droopy copper lines that have been there for the last 20 years. Having said that, the poles are good and strong, unobstructed and well capable of taking the fibre line.


  • #6503
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »
    Ask Gonzo who is a blue icon and yet is enjoying FTTH. They had some problem with his location/eircode on their system, but after many conversations he got it installed. So it could be this.


    Definitely an eircode error/problem.

    It all started a few days after Eir first introduced the message on the line checker saying that the line may qualify for 1000meg fibre broadband . At first my line as well as every other house in the area displayed the message, then the message dissapeared from my line and never came back. I was initially worried that perhaps my house was gonna be left out of the rollout for some reason.

    Then fast forward several months to the rollout and I immediately had problems with my online order. However this proved to be because I ordered too early and my road wasn't going live for another month, my order was cancelled by an Eir rep.

    Before I could re-order, Eir and Open-Eir websites implemented the Eircode checker system and my line was failing with the Eircode while all my neighbours were passing. The only reason I could order is that my telephone line is passing for FTTH despite what the Eircode checker says.

    IF I didn't have a phoneline, perhaps I would not be able to order FTTH.

    The eircode checker on the Open Eir website keeps saying my home is due to be FTTH in first half of this year, while its passing for everyone else in the area.

    Now that the Open Eir website got updated this week and the checker now includes both telephone line and eircode, my line now passes due to the telephone number.

    However on the eir page below it still fails.

    https://www.eir.ie/broadband/1000mb-fibre/

    The checker systems between both Eir and Open Eir websites seem all over the place saying different things!


  • #6504
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    bfa1509 wrote: »
    No problem. I live in the cluster of blue icons. I did a tour of all the roads with the green icons and they have lovely new brackets on the poles with high tension fibre lines and shiny new splice boxes. We're left with the same droopy copper lines that have been there for the last 20 years. Having said that, the poles are good and strong, unobstructed and well capable of taking the fibre line.

    Something strange there. The map says 420 premises are live. In the pdf that Cush posted it says 425 premises are planned, my figures had 430 premises planned yet there are 20 blue homes in your image, which would be 440 homes.

    You can try contacting Openeir but they are unlikely to give you any information. Just wait and hope.


  • #6505
    bfa1509
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭bfa1509


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Something strange there. The map says 420 premises are live. In the pdf that Cush posted it says 425 premises are planned, my figures had 430 premises planned yet there are 20 blue homes in your image, which would be 440 homes.

    You can try contacting Openeir but they are unlikely to give you any information. Just wait and hope.

    There are actually 56 blue markers when I zoom in closer. It seems to merge markers when you are less zoomed (as in the image)

    I will try and get in contact with Openeir. I have lost hope at this stage, though, and have resigned to the possibility that it could be the NBP that comes to my rescue in the mid 2030s...


  • #6506
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    bfa1509 wrote: »
    There are actually 56 blue markers when I zoom in closer. It seems to merge markers when you are less zoomed (as in the image)

    I will try and get in contact with Openeir. I have lost hope at this stage, though, and have resigned to the possibility that it could be the NBP that comes to my rescue in the mid 2030s...

    I would not be so pessimistic. If you look through the tracker you will see the piecemeal way they enable many exchanges. Your area has only been live since May so I would expect they will complete it over the coming months.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Q5HRZo02c1AZWfYMJlEXPMkRhb5iUIJyhssXQwq87I/edit?usp=sharing


  • #6507
    grouchyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭grouchyman


    bfa1509 wrote: »
    There are actually 56 blue markers when I zoom in closer. It seems to merge markers when you are less zoomed (as in the image)

    I will try and get in contact with Openeir. I have lost hope at this stage, though, and have resigned to the possibility that it could be the NBP that comes to my rescue in the mid 2030s...

    I know in my own area which is due to go live on 5th July the map shows houses in the eastern and western extremities of the exchange area as green but the body of houses in the middle, which includes my own are all blue.

    While there are splice boxes on the poles down my road and throughout the whole area showing the blue houses on the map, KN have disappeared from the scene.

    So at this point I don't know whether or not we "bluesies" are going to be included in the go live on 5th July. I rather doubt it.


  • #6508
    Gwynston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    That's the same in may area - it's supposedly been live for a few weeks, but most houses on the map are still blue. And officially, only around a third (of the admittedly big exchange of 1400 houses) have been passed.

    But in practice, progress across the area is at completely different stages:
    - Some parts live
    - Some parts not live, but with splice boxes for weeks
    - Some parts only recently newly wired
    - Some parts around my house which have been wired for weeks, but still waiting on splice boxes :(

    When I spoke to a KN wiring crew spotted down the road from me last month, they said the separate splice box crew usually follow on from them a couple of weeks later. But no sign of new splice boxes yet on our long-since wired section :mad:


  • #6509
    MunsterCycling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭MunsterCycling


    The Cush wrote: »
    Houses too far from the pole (50m+ from the NTP) aren't included at all in the rollout plan and will have to wait for the NBP, at least those with a blue indicator will be done at some point in the future as part of the 300k rollout, whatever the reason for the delay.
    Not necessarily true. I had it installed on Monday and we are more than 50m from the NTP and they had to install a pole to do so. It can be done but then again we qualified to begin with, just their crazy restrictions (KN) on how the fiber terminates meant they had to install extra infrastructure to get the service to us. :confused:


  • #6510
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I would not be so pessimistic. If you look through the tracker you will see the piecemeal way they enable many exchanges. Your area has only been live since May so I would expect they will complete it over the coming months.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Q5HRZo02c1AZWfYMJlEXPMkRhb5iUIJyhssXQwq87I/edit?usp=sharing

    Navi I see Dunshaughlin is listed as fully live and 550 premises passed and planned.

    The original estimate was up to 570 planned.

    The newly released rural exchange timeline lists us as 554 premises planned.

    My house is one of 11 blue home icons in the Dunshaughlin area, perhaps they can all avail of FTTH already, but it's now very confusing to what the actual total is and will the original estimate of 570 be completed and if not, why did 16 premises get dropped from the list.


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  • #6511
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    MunsterCycling wrote: »
    Not necessarily true. I had it installed on Monday and we are more than 50m from the NTP and they had to install a pole to do so. It can be done but then again we qualified to begin with, just their crazy restrictions (KN) on how the fiber terminates meant they had to install extra infrastructure to get the service to us. :confused:

    The 50m from the NTP/150m from the splice box policy may be flexible on the ground. One of the lads posted here previously that the max distance from the splice box was 200m.

    Did you have an existing copper phoneline to the house, if so was it ducted or overhead?

    The policy
    More recently Eircom have re-visited its policy on connecting end users and are adopting a FTTH network design that targets bringing a DP to within 150 meters of all premises. While such a design should significantly reduce the potential number of “non-standard” connections there will still be occasions where new infrastructure will need to be deployed to connect a fibre drop from the DP to the end user’s premises. For more remote end users Eircom may have to deploy additional poles or underground infrastructure along public roads between the DP and the end user’s premises.

    In these instances Eircom have defined a Network Touch Point (‘NTP’) which is located where the end user property boundary meets the public road. As any infrastructure between the DP and the NTP is on a public road it has the potential to be used by more than one end user but any infrastructure that would be deployed beyond the NTP would be on private property and it would most probably be unique to one end user.

    As we understand it, Eircom’s policy is that, provided that the end user’s premises is less than 50 meters from the NTP, it will deploy all the infrastructure that is required between the DP and the NTP and connect the end user but that the costs of such incremental infrastructure should be recovered as part of the up-front connection cost paid by the RSP. In those instances where the end user’s premises is over 50 meters from the NTP the end user will be required to provide roped duct from their premises to the NTP on the public road before Eircom would deploy the fibre drop.


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