Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

ancapailldorcha · 13-06-2017 10:36pm #1

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Thepoet85 · 13-06-2017 10:41pm

New thread, same old Donald!

Ipse dixit · 13-06-2017 10:47pm

It will be interesting to see what comes of this investigation but it's likely that we may get some form of evidence down the line considering Rod Rosenstein conclusion today. At this stage it would be in the public interest to do so considering the reporting and truth vacuum that has existed to date.

The language of the information released suggests that there is no concrete evidence as it would probably be impossible to get a smoking gun in terms of evidence in a crime of this nature but hopefully the circumstansional narrative and indirect evidence is concrete in the conclusion becuase if it's not the US public will continue to be divided on this issue particularly if there is nothing linking Trump's campaign to this issue.

red ears · 13-06-2017 11:04pm

This whole Russian conspiracy isn't going as well as the left were hoping.

mcmoustache · 13-06-2017 11:06pm

I thought Reagan had ruined "I don't recall". I mean, it seems to be well known code for "I'd rather not lie under oath". It's understandable that you couldn't remember the odd thing here and there but it just looks bad when you use "I don't recall" this often. Contrast this with Comey. How often did he use that excuse?

Leroy42 · 13-06-2017 11:14pm

Well Sessions admitted that he was aware that Russia had influenced the election.

He then admitted that he had never even asked about it.

Now we are supposed to believe that a long time senator, with years of knowledge of intel on Russia is not at all bothered by Russia interfering in the election?

Only two reasons. He just doesn't care or he wants to cover

so the us is now faced with an AG who either doesn't consider an attack by a foreign power as important enough to ask about it or an AG you is covering fir something and has lied under oath.

Yeah, nothing to see here.

StringerBell · 13-06-2017 11:18pm

In a way, what Sessions managed to do there for over 2 hours was impressive. Refusal to answer even the simplest of questions at times, be able to speak about communications with the president on some matters, but not on others. The amazing ability to have the recall facility of a goldfish while also try to maintain credibility to hold the position he does.

They need to get their list of questions, go to the WH, ask them what ones,if any they are going to invoke EP on. Then get people back in and get answers from them on the record, if they refuse take further steps, if the EP seems to be about covering tracks regarding the Comey firing rationale then litigate that and get through the EP too. They need to press this as it is simply not acceptable to refuse to answer questions impeding investigations. There is no actual policy in writing I would wager, (you would think since AG Sessions planned to rely so heavily on it he would have had it prepared and with him like he did the CFR document to explain his recusal) there has been talk of a memo from Reagans times regarding what the AG should or should not talk about, course that would, if it is accepted only get Sessions off the hook, nobody else.

Its another step in what is going to take another 12 months probably.

SkepticQuark · 13-06-2017 11:31pm

red ears wrote: »

This whole Russian conspiracy isn't going as well as the left were hoping.

Define "the left". People like you seem to forget plenty of people on "the left" actually have various opinions on the links between the Trump administration and Russia.

mcmoustache · 13-06-2017 11:34pm

red ears wrote: »

This whole Russian conspiracy isn't going as well as the left were hoping.

What's with the assumption that only the left dislike Trump and also dislike being Russia's bítch? Trump's no Republican and Republicans have traditionally been suspicious of Russia for years.

Do you think the Russian interference didn't happen? Or do you instead think that there's nothing suspicious about Trump's admin's connections to Russia? I understand that you tend to just drop in, write a few words and drop out but I'm going to assume for a moment that you are capable of more. Please don't let me or your fellow Trumpers down.

aloyisious · 14-06-2017 2:36am

red ears wrote: »

This whole Russian conspiracy isn't going as well as the left were hoping.

I find it rather peculiar that it's the "left" in the US who are looking at the meetings and deals the "right-wing" republicans had with the Russians as reason to suspect there was a conspiracy between both affecting US interests and sovereignty and it's the "right" who are being forced into denying it. US politics turned on its head.

Overheal · 14-06-2017 5:22am

For those tuning in, here is where we are at...

(Full Vid):

Billy86 · 14-06-2017 10:28am

roddy15 wrote: »

Define "the left". People like you seem to forget plenty of people on "the left" actually have various opinions on the links between the Trump administration and Russia.

"The Left" of extreme right wing is what they meant.

Hande hoche! · 14-06-2017 10:32am

Not a great situation for Sessions to be in. You do not receive the updates in which case you can be painted as not caring or attempting to plead ignorance. Alternatively you can receive them in which case people will portray you as trying to keep ahead of the investigations.

Still both sides will have there snippets from the testimony to run. Imagine Harris and Cotton will feature strongly, dependent on the intended audience.

PropJoe10 · 14-06-2017 11:36am

Not sure what the point of Sessions testifying really, seeing as he seems to suffer from a bad bout of selective amnesia. Would love to see Trump in front of the committee!

Water John · 14-06-2017 11:42am

Just gate blocking. Easy to send out. 'I know nothing'.

Professor Moriarty · 14-06-2017 11:43am

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Not sure what the point of Sessions testifying really, seeing as he seems to suffer from a bad bout of selective amnesia. Would love to see Trump in front of the committee!

I'd give him 30 minutes before an angry outburst.

Hande hoche! · 14-06-2017 11:45am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I'd give him 30 minutes before an angry outburst.

If the debates are any indication, that's a fair time frame.

Water John · 14-06-2017 11:48am

The real damage will be done by the Special Prosecutor. They are getting really worried as to the staff Mueller is taking on. They are already making feeble efforts to, rattle his cage.

PropJoe10 · 14-06-2017 11:51am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I'd give him 30 minutes before an angry outburst.

Nah, he loves taking credit for everything so I'd give him ten minutes before he'd be shouting "Alright, it was me! I love Russia!"

MadYaker · 14-06-2017 12:53pm

Anyone else see the the official White House facebook page posting a video earlier with "Trump meets with the victims of Obamacare" What the **** is a victim of the ACA? That actually pisses me off. Like it was some sort of disaster that enabled poor people to get health insurance. Sometimes I just wish someone would put a bullet in the back of this guys head and be done with it. America and the world would be better for it.

dudara · 14-06-2017 12:59pm

What annoys me the most is the hyperbole and partisanship that has infected and destroyed US politics.

When the White House is using words like "victims" in connection with the work of a previous president, what is the average joe supposed to accept?

In the past the WH had standards, it maintained a decorum and intellectual ability. It projected confidence and stability and even a certain level of impartiality. After all, the WH and the president, although coming from a party, respresent all Americans

And for some reason, this WH and President is aggressively going after Obama's legacy. There are certain conclusions I could draw from that about race

PopePalpatine · 14-06-2017 1:16pm

MadYaker wrote: »

Anyone else see the the official White House facebook page posting a video earlier with "Trump meets with the victims of Obamacare" What the **** is a victim of the ACA? That actually pisses me off. Like it was some sort of disaster that enabled poor people to get health insurance. Sometimes I just wish someone would put a bullet in the back of this guys head and be done with it. America and the world would be better for it.

He meets the "victims of Obamacare" every time he meets with his Cabinet. That damned socialism is eating into their profits, they had to hold off their next private jet purchase for a couple of weeks!

Water John · 14-06-2017 1:36pm

Hopefully, in some way DT is removed/quits. The enoulments cases are interesting. Someone is going to snare him.
The biggest task of the next President will be, reinstating those standards or norms.
Ford, though not spectacular, achieved it after Nixon, simply by being normal.

Professor Moriarty · 14-06-2017 2:21pm

MadYaker wrote: »

Anyone else see the the official White House facebook page posting a video earlier with "Trump meets with the victims of Obamacare" What the **** is a victim of the ACA? That actually pisses me off. Like it was some sort of disaster that enabled poor people to get health insurance. Sometimes I just wish someone would put a bullet in the back of this guys head and be done with it. America and the world would be better for it.

Was that a knock on your door?

demfad · 14-06-2017 2:32pm

red ears wrote: »

This whole Russian conspiracy isn't going as well as the left were hoping.

On the contrary the Russian conspiracy went very well: There is a Kremlin puppet as POTUS.

InTheTrees · 14-06-2017 2:33pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Was that a knock on your door?

Interesting times all right.

There a story this morning that the the republican house whip has been shot along with some aides. Not fatally and the gunman has been apprehended.

Professor Moriarty · 14-06-2017 2:42pm

InTheTrees wrote: »

Interesting times all right.

There a story this morning that the the republican house whip has been shot along with some aides. Not fatally and the gunman has been apprehended.

Saw that. Reports were emphasising that the gunman was white...for some reason...

Leroy42 · 14-06-2017 2:53pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Saw that. Reports were emphasising that the gunman was white...for some reason...

Because if the gunman is white then it isn't a terrorist attack and nothing to be alarmed about.

Edit -- Oops, just got the point!!!

Professor Moriarty · 14-06-2017 3:03pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

Because if the gunman is white then it isn't a terrorist attack and nothing to be alarmed about.

Exactement. Just another everyday shooting.

InTheTrees · 14-06-2017 3:06pm

Well the shooter has been caught and it looks like its only the republican whip Scalise who was hit and he's expected to live.

Thepoet85 · 14-06-2017 3:09pm

InTheTrees wrote:

Well the shooter has been caught and it looks like its only the republican whip Scalise who was hit and he's expected to live.

Shot in the hip, and stabe after surgery, according to CNN.

Hank Scorpio · 14-06-2017 3:51pm

InTheTrees wrote: »

Well the shooter has been caught and it looks like its only the republican whip Scalise who was hit and he's expected to live.

2 Cops and a staffer were hit as well, non life threatening.

Water John · 14-06-2017 3:56pm

Whatever about the right to bear arms, many other countries allow personal weapons, no need to anyone to have access to semi automatic rifle.
50 to 60 bullets fired.

Leroy42 · 14-06-2017 4:21pm

I wonder will Alex Jones claim that this is just another false flag event with Scalise pretending to be shot just like Sandy Hook?

Surely Trump should instigate an immediate EO to stop any gun sales for 90 days until they work out what is going on?

Really Interested · 14-06-2017 4:26pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

I wonder will Alex Jones claim that this is just another false flag event with Scalia pretending to be shot just like Sandy Hook?

Surely Trump should instigate an immediate EO to stop any gun sales for 90 days until they work out what is going on?

Scalia was a SC judge, the person shot was Scalise. But did not have to wiat long for Jones. https://www.infowars.com/leftist-gunman-shoots-republican-congressman-in-media-inspired-terror-attack/

So the shooter was a leftie and the shooting was media inspired! Woner will people call it "Radical Liberal Terror"

http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/james-hodgkinson-alexandria-gop-baseball-shooter-shooting-gunman-identified-illinois/

"Hodgkinson campaigned for Sanders in Iowa while the Vermont lawmaker was running for the Democratic presidential nomination last year"

SkepticQuark · 14-06-2017 4:32pm

Really Interested wrote: »

Scalia was a SC judge, the person shot was Scalise. But did not have to wiat long for Jones. https://www.infowars.com/leftist-gunman-shoots-republican-congressman-in-media-inspired-terror-attack/

So the shooter was a leftie and the shooting was media inspired! Woner will people call it "Radical Liberal Terror"

Well, that's Paul Joseph Watson but he's just as bad but just with a British accent and a thing for Le Pen.

spacecoyote · 14-06-2017 4:34pm

love it:

"Leftists responded by blaming guns, despite the only reason no one was killed being that the good guys had guns"

Really Interested · 14-06-2017 4:41pm

This is just getting weird, http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/28/portland-killer-is-an-anti-circumcision-bernie-sanders-supporter/

In less than a month two supporters of a primary presidential candidate have killed or attempted to kill people and the candidate was not either Trump or Clinton. I am no supporter of Trump and open to correction but i would think if any person who campainged for him went on a killing spree it would be some ****fest not to mind two..

Billy86 · 14-06-2017 4:54pm

Really Interested wrote: »

This is just getting weird, http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/28/portland-killer-is-an-anti-circumcision-bernie-sanders-supporter/

In less than a month two supporters of a presidential candidate have killed or attempted to kill people and the candidate was not either Trump or Clinton. I am no supporter of Trump and open to correction but i would think if any person who campainged for him went on a killing spree it would be some ****fest not to mind two..

There's been a very notable spike of Trump supporters shooting and stabbing mostly brown people in the last few months, to be fair. Portland about two weeks ago was the most recent I'm aware of.

Not quite as sensational as brown people stabbing white people though, so it got reported but didn't gain huge traction and it's very own 1,000+ post thread on After Hours.

Really Interested · 14-06-2017 5:01pm

Billy86 wrote: »

There's been a very notable spike of Trump supporters shooting and stabbing mostly brown people in the last few months, to be fair. Portland about two weeks ago was the most recent I'm aware of.

Not quite as sensational as brown people stabbing white people though, so it got reported but didn't gain huge traction and it's very own 1,000+ post thread on After Hours.

My understanding was that the Portland guy was a Bernie surporter. I have linked to claims that Portland and recent baseball attackers in both cases campaigned for Saunders!

I am unaware of any claims that people who campaigned for any other candidate have been involved in such attacks. Full disclosure I like Bernie I just find it very weird.

Water John · 14-06-2017 5:06pm

Interested, I'm sure Jennifer was glad of their support.

InTheTrees · 14-06-2017 5:19pm

Really Interested wrote: »

My understanding was that the Portland guy was a Bernie surporter. I have linked to claims that Portland and recent baseball attackers in both cases campaigned for Saunders!

I havent heard any mention of him being a Bernie Saunders supporter. He was yelling the familiar alt right excuse of free speech as he harassed the two women. Doesnt sound like a bernie supporter.

"In April, he was videotaped at a pro-Trump rally with a baseball bat making the Nazi salute while wearing a metal chain and the American flag around his neck. Police confiscated the bat and hovered nearby as counter-protesters surrounded Christian and pushed him away."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/suspect-portland-stabbings-built-life-hate-speech-47822988

Really Interested · 14-06-2017 5:25pm

InTheTrees wrote: »

I havent heard any mention of him being a Bernie Saunders supporter. He was yelling the familiar alt right excuse of free speech as he harassed the two women. Doesnt sound like a bernie supporter.

"In April, he was videotaped at a pro-Trump rally with a baseball bat making the Nazi salute while wearing a metal chain and the American flag around his neck. Police confiscated the bat and hovered nearby as counter-protesters surrounded Christian and pushed him away."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/suspect-portland-stabbings-built-life-hate-speech-47822988

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/28/portland-killer-is-an-anti-circumcision-bernie-sanders-supporter/

"Portland Killer Is An Anti-Circumcision, Bernie Sanders Supporter
DEREK HUNTER
Contributor
12:14 PM 05/28/2017"

"but posts on his Facebook page indicate he was a supporter of socialist Senator Bernie Sanders and Green Party candidate Jill Stein."

I remember reading it at the time and saying very weird.

wes · 14-06-2017 5:46pm

Really Interested wrote: »

My understanding was that the Portland guy was a Bernie surporter. I have linked to claims that Portland and recent baseball attackers in both cases campaigned for Saunders!

Portland attacker was also at alt-right "free speech" [URL="Portland knife attack: tension high as 'free speech rally' set for weekend"]protests [/URL]and was also a white supremacist:

Suspect in Portland double murder posted white supremacist material online

His most recent political activity has him involved with the alt-right. Wouldn't be the first person to go from the Anti-establishment left to the alt-right. Trying to portray him as a "Bernie" supporter (would take those claims with a pinch of salt as well) is a bit much as it ignore his most recent political activity, after his attack, which as we know was racist in nature as well.

wes · 14-06-2017 5:49pm

Really Interested wrote: »

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/28/portland-killer-is-an-anti-circumcision-bernie-sanders-supporter/

"Portland Killer Is An Anti-Circumcision, Bernie Sanders Supporter
DEREK HUNTER
Contributor
12:14 PM 05/28/2017"

Not sure if I would trust them, that site seems to be a one man band:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/The_Daily_Caller

A Little Pony · 14-06-2017 5:55pm

It is no surprise. You have the media and the "entertainment" shows turning into liberal political rallies charging up absolute vitriol against Trump for months and months and nearly every night and this is what eventually happens, people do start thinking they are John Wilkes Booth and if they can't get near Trump, they will try to get near GOP representatives.

Far too many extremes in American discourse in politics right now. You only have to see Kathy Griffin a week or so ago to see the sheer lunacy in America now.

jobbridge4life · 14-06-2017 5:58pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

It is no surprise. You have the media and the "entertainment" shows turning into liberal political rallies charging up absolute vitriol against Trump for months and months and nearly every night and this is what eventually happens, people do start thinking they are John Wilkes Booth and if they can't get near Trump, they will try to get near GOP representatives.

Far too many extremes in American discourse in politics right now. You only have to see Kathy Griffin a week or so ago to see the sheer lunacy in America now.

The President of the United States invited right wing loon, Ted Nugent, who repeatedly called for the death of Obama, into the Whitehouse for a friendly chit-chat and some photos.

A Little Pony · 14-06-2017 6:02pm

jobbridge4life wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

It is no surprise. You have the media and the "entertainment" shows turning into liberal political rallies charging up absolute vitriol against Trump for months and months and nearly every night and this is what eventually happens, people do start thinking they are John Wilkes Booth and if they can't get near Trump, they will try to get near GOP representatives.

Far too many extremes in American discourse in politics right now. You only have to see Kathy Griffin a week or so ago to see the sheer lunacy in America now.

The President of the United States invited right wing loon, Ted Nugent, who repeatedly called for the death of Obama, into the Whitehouse for a friendly chit-chat and some photos.

Which is unacceptable.

The point is though if you start making calls for resistance, thinking Trump is the devil, turning Trump into something less than human or Republicans in general, thinking they are the scum of the earth, then this is the result. The shooter is reported in the media to have walked up and said are these Republicans or Democrats and then started shooting 3 minutes later.

Really Interested · 14-06-2017 6:02pm

wes wrote: »

Not sure if I would trust them, that site seems to be a one man band:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/The_Daily_Caller

Another source https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/juliareinstein/portland-suspect

"According to his posts, he was a passionate Bernie Sanders supporter who later supported, but did not vote for, President Trump. He frequently posted violent threats against Hillary Clinton and her supporters."

So he surporter Bernie in primaries and while he later during election did support Trump he did not vote for him. Seems a typical anyone but Clinton. I just found it weird that within one month two attacks from Bernie surporters.

Really Interested · 14-06-2017 6:04pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

Which is unacceptable.

The point is though if you start making calls for resistance, thinking Trump is the devil, turning Trump into something less than human or Republicans in general, thinking they are the scum of the earth, then this is the result. The shooter is reported in the media to have walked up and said are these Republicans or Democrats and then started shooting 3 minutes later.

You mean the same way people vilified Hilary, so much so among other issues a pizza parlour was shoot up.

A Little Pony · 14-06-2017 6:08pm

Really Interested wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Which is unacceptable.

The point is though if you start making calls for resistance, thinking Trump is the devil, turning Trump into something less than human or Republicans in general, thinking they are the scum of the earth, then this is the result. The shooter is reported in the media to have walked up and said are these Republicans or Democrats and then started shooting 3 minutes later.

You mean the same way people vilified Hilary, so much so among other issues a pizza parlour was shoot up.

I am highly experienced in whataboutery. It's futile to go down this road.

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