London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

EazyD · 04-06-2017 09:33PM

Phoebas wrote: »

In any of these occasions where your mother was subjected to someone staring at her, did she ever think of approaching the perpetrator and asking them what the stare was for?

Given that the perpetrator(s) were generally in a group (males, presumably coming/going from prayers) coupled with the fact that she had a young child with her (me and later my younger brother) it would be quite obvious that doing so would not be an intelligent nor gainful move.

namloc1980 · 04-06-2017 09:35PM

manonboard wrote: »

Then you display the same behavior as those who commit the attacks. The moment you objectified them into anything other than a person who has the same needs as you, and is as susceptible to conditioning as you in the circumstances they faced, you lost touch with reality.
There are people taking pleasure in the deaths of those victims thinking the exact same way as you.

The majority of these attackers are born and bred in the countries they are now attacking. Plenty of British people grow up in difficult and poor backgrounds but they don't go around killing and maiming innocent bystanders. Your point is nonsense.

Celticfire · 04-06-2017 09:37PM

manonboard wrote: »

Then you display the same behavior as those who commit the attacks. The moment you objectified them into anything other than a person who has the same needs as you, and is as susceptible to conditioning as you in the circumstances they faced, you lost touch with reality.
There are people taking pleasure in the deaths of those victims thinking the exact same way as you.

Absolute b****x.

conorhal · 04-06-2017 09:38PM

Beyondgone wrote: »

544,000 in the 2011 census.. It's gone up since. A lot.

Figures=/=BS.

BS. Why are you choosing the 2011 census BTW? We've had one since you know (and you do).

And yet to see you post a source. 40,000 asylum seekers living in Ireland? That's nonsense there are 17,642 resident Nigerians in Ireland and yet only several hundred of residency visas issued to Nigerians in Ireland, and you're telling me that on 40,000 asylum seekers have ever arrived here? Yet half that number alone are Nigerians that have just appeared? You are disingenuous as F.

Help!!!! · 04-06-2017 09:38PM

Beyondgone wrote: »

Lol.. you've obviously not been/looked around a bit. Our local Town is roughly 50:50 now. You couldn't rent a house there if your life depended on it. There's 20 families in line for every 1 that comes up. 19 Foreign families and 1 Irish. A trip in shopping is like going to the Kasbah. You notice the other Irish people, not the Foreign people. Because the Irish ones are the minority. Went in for a Take-away there, it was packed and I was the only paddy in the queue. In fact, I was the only paddy in the place, come to think of it. Times they are a changing. Look up and see the reality.

Some of the luckier ones dont understand that there are certain places around Ireland where there are a majority of foreigners so they call BS when anyone says so. There are towns around Ireland where there were halal meat factories where they imported staff from Asia but no one wants to acknowledge that

Phoebas · 04-06-2017 09:39PM

conorhal wrote: »

Well sheet, ask Prime Time....

You went straight from white flight starting in Clonskeagh because of Muslims making people uncomfortable to a lack of school facilities in Dublin 15 leading to an emergency school being built to meet demand.

I don't think its time to panic quite yet, but we do need proper resources and good integration policies.

Phoebas · 04-06-2017 09:41PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Some of the luckier ones dont understand that there are certain places around Ireland where there are a majority of foreigners so they call BS when anyone says so. There are towns around Ireland where there were halal meat factories where they imported staff from Asia but no one wants to acknowledge that

Doesn't Gort have a big Brazilian population working in the local meat plant?
I think they get on pretty well with the locals.

RustyNut · 04-06-2017 09:41PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Plenty of British people grow up in difficult and poor backgrounds but they don't go around killing and maiming innocent bystanders.

Are they not the very people that the British government send around the world killing men women and children to impose their imperial will on whoever suits their current agenda?

Hank Scorpio · 04-06-2017 09:42PM

Well this is embarrassing, type of shíte that goes on all the time no doubt in the media

Help!!!! · 04-06-2017 09:42PM

EazyD wrote: »

My parents bought their first house in Clonskeagh many years ago, shortly after I was born. My mother only recently told me that she would often take me out in the pram on her days off, particularly when there was some good weather.

On a number of occasions whilst out, she would be given almighty stares (disapproving would be an understatement) from the local mosque goers for wearing what we would considered normal women's summer clothing.

Intolerance and/or hatred of our values and ways of life is not just a figment of our imagination, it has always been there and presumably always will be.

Unfortunately most people in Ireland have never walked through a predominately Muslim area especially with a western woman. Only then would they understand

Help!!!! · 04-06-2017 09:43PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Doesn't Gort have a big Brazilian population working in the local meat plant?
I think they get on pretty well with the locals.

Huge difference, they not living in the middle ages.

Beyondgone · 04-06-2017 09:44PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

But only if we dont get mass immigration of Muslims. We have been lucky because the people that have come here, no matter where they have come from have come for the right reasons. If we get thousands all at once then it doesnt allow them to integrate properly & it also affects the local communities

Not trying to be nasty, or even rude, but that right there is some serious naivety. Do you know many people who have moved here from abroad? Let's leave the (waaay overdiscussed imo) Muslims aside for a moment. Take the Lithuanians. Now, I know a lot of Lithuanians. A lot. I know loads of good ones, and I know LOADS of bad ones. Ones that are bad in ways that would give normal decent people nightmares.

They didn't come here for altruistic reasons. Not the bad ones. Trust me on that. (I'd go so far as to say forget worrying about the Muslims, they're an issue alright, but one that's a long way off - worry about the bad eggs amongst the Eastern Europeans, they're running amok as we speak - their Roma counterparts are not much better. You've a waay better chance of getting the good news from an Eastern European bad lad coming through your back door/nicking your new Audi than you do from ISIS).

That ^ will kick off some of the "Never been out muchers" who will cry racism etc etc, but I'm not. For every 100 hard working, decent, honest Immigrants that come to Ireland, 3 cnuts arrive mixed in with them. Usually, the cnuts are a scourge on their own as much as on everyone else. That's the joys of Multi-Culturalism. You don't just get the Jihadists or the Doctors, you get the forklift drivers and the Pimps, all mixed together.

Really Interested · 04-06-2017 09:45PM

conorhal wrote: »

BS. Why are you choosing the 2011 census BTW? We've had one since you know (and you do).

And yet to see you post a source. 40,000 asylum seekers living in Ireland? That's nonsense there are 17,642 resident Nigerians in Ireland and yet only several hundred of residency visas issued to Nigerians in Ireland, and you're telling me that on 40,000 asylum seekers have ever arrived here? Yet half that number alone are Nigerians that have just appeared? You are disingenuous as F.

http://www.orac.ie/website/orac/oracwebsite.nsf/page/orac-stats_16-en

Most Nigerians are now legally here under the IBC05 scheme.

The above link contains all the figures for Asylum applied and granted.

Phoebas · 04-06-2017 09:47PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

But only if we dont get mass immigration of Muslims. We have been lucky because the people that have come here, no matter where they have come from have come for the right reasons. If we get thousands all at once then it doesnt allow them to integrate properly & it also affects the local communities

The UK has a very different make up to us and historical commitments to former colonies.
I think the chance that we get thousands all at once is very low. We have free movement within Europe, but we do control our immigration policy from outside the EU.

But I agree, we do need and we should expect new people to integrate property.

TallGlass · 04-06-2017 09:48PM

I wouldn't even send them back, I would lock them up in an asylum. These people are out of touch with reality, no point sending them back for them to only kill more innocent people back there or some other place.

04-06-2017 09:48PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Unfortunately most people in Ireland have never walked through a predominately Muslim area especially with a western woman. Only then would they understand

I am a western woman, I regularly walk though a predominantly Muslim part of a large English city.
I have walked through a Muslim country.
As of yet I haven't been able to read people's minds........

conorhal · 04-06-2017 09:49PM

Phoebas wrote: »

You went straight from white flight starting in Clonskeagh because of Muslims making people uncomfortable to a lack of school facilities in Dublin 15 leading to an emergency school being built to meet demand.

I don't think its time to panic quite yet, but we do need proper resources and good integration policies.

I was pointing out to another poster that, yes, white flight and ghettoisation is happening, it will happen and is happening with Muslim communities in Ireland and that creates much bigger problems then white flight.
I don't want to get to the situation where panic is the appropriate response, as it is in so many other EU countries, why do you? What's your problem with an ounce of prevention or do you want to wait for the rather painful pound of cure because you're just too cowardly and afraid of being called a waysist to address a problem?

Phoebas · 04-06-2017 09:49PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Huge difference, they not living in the middle ages.

Ah, Gort ain't so bad.

04-06-2017 09:49PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Well this is embarrassing, type of shíte that goes on all the time no doubt in the media

Probably filmed with a narrow angled lens to make the group appear to be part of a larger crowd.

TallGlass · 04-06-2017 09:52PM

Phoebas wrote: »

But I agree, we do need and we should expect new people to integrate property.

This is the problem, these people don't want to integrate at all. The fact of the matter is these guys are fleeing from there homes due to religion, yet when they arrive here they are creating the same conditions which they left. If anything they should be leaving religion back at home and forgetting about it.

Help!!!! · 04-06-2017 09:52PM

EazyD wrote: »

Given that the perpetrator(s) were generally in a group (males, presumably coming/going from prayers) coupled with the fact that she had a young child with her (me and later my younger brother) it would be quite obvious that doing so would not be an intelligent nor gainful move.

I have seen groups of Muslim men ( over 40 years old ) gather around school girls on buses early in the morning so they can rub up against them. I was on the bus with my missus, Muslim man behind us started taking to himself in his language. My missus started covering her chest up & the guy behind got louder, I didnt know what was happening. He then decided to get up & walk around in front of us & started starting at my missus all the while praying with what ever was in in hand ( kinda rosary beads ). He kept staring until I walked up to him & told him to fcuk off & if he looked at my missus again I was going to kick the crap out of him. He soon moved on. Many more examples if you lived near huge groups of Muslims

Beyondgone · 04-06-2017 09:53PM

conorhal wrote: »

BS. Why are you choosing the 2011 census BTW? We've had one since you know (and you do).

And yet to see you post a source. 40,000 asylum seekers living in Ireland? That's nonsense there are 17,642 resident Nigerians in Ireland and yet only several hundred of residency visas issued to Nigerians in Ireland, and you're telling me that on 40,000 asylum seekers have ever arrived here? Yet half that number alone are Nigerians that have just appeared? You are disingenuous as F.

I'm.. erm... Yes..

Could you say that again please? Not sure what the question was?

nullzero · 04-06-2017 09:53PM

Syphonax wrote: »

How narrow-minded.

How was I being narrow minded?
I was giving a concise explanation of what these loonies believe, I wasn't equating normal decent Muslims with them.

threeball · 04-06-2017 09:54PM

Beyondgone wrote: »

Not trying to be nasty, or even rude, but that right there is some serious naivety. Do you know many people who have moved here from abroad? Let's leave the (waaay overdiscussed imo) Muslims aside for a moment. Take the Lithuanians. Now, I know a lot of Lithuanians. A lot. I know loads of good ones, and I know LOADS of bad ones. Ones that are bad in ways that would give normal decent people nightmares.

They didn't come here for altruistic reasons. Not the bad ones. Trust me on that. (I'd go so far as to say forget worrying about the Muslims, they're an issue alright, but one that's a long way off - worry about the bad eggs amongst the Eastern Europeans, they're running amok as we speak - their Roma counterparts are not much better. You've a waay better chance of getting the good news from an Eastern European bad lad coming through your back door/nicking your new Audi than you do from ISIS).

That ^ will kick off some of the "Never been out muchers" who will cry racism etc etc, but I'm not. For every 100 hard working, decent, honest Immigrants that come to Ireland, 3 cnuts arrive mixed in with them. Usually, the cnuts are a scourge on their own as much as on everyone else. That's the joys of Multi-Culturalism. You don't just get the Jihadists or the Doctors, you get the forklift drivers and the Pimps, all mixed together.

Them coming isn't the problem though. It's what we do with them once they're caught acting the Bollox. They should be deported back home immediately but we treat them with kid gloves and give them the full benefit of our social welfare system.
No nationally is a problem once they behave. The rest of the world should return our ****heads to us and we can deal with them.
The homegrown Islamic terrorist is a different kettle of fish to what you've outlined above

conorhal · 04-06-2017 09:55PM

Really Interested wrote: »

http://www.orac.ie/website/orac/oracwebsite.nsf/page/orac-stats_16-en

Most Nigerians are now legally here under the IBC05 scheme.

The above link contains all the figures for Asylum applied and granted.

So basically here and applying for residence on a leave to remain basis after illegally entering the country because of our failed asylum process and it's endless loopholes, great. Makes a mockery of you 40,000 figure though.

Phoebas · 04-06-2017 09:55PM

conorhal wrote: »

I was pointing out to another poster that, yes, white flight and ghettoisation is happening, it will happen and is happening with Muslim communities in Ireland and that creates much bigger problems then white flight.
I don't want to get to the situation where panic is the appropriate response, as it is in so many other EU countries, why do you? What's your problem with an ounce of prevention or do you want to wait for the rather painful pound of cure because you're just too cowardly and afraid of being called a waysist to address a problem?

I absolutely agree that we should prevent problems related to immigration.
I'm in favour of pretty strict regulations for non EU immigrants. I'm in favour of speeding up the asylum process so that genuine refugees can get their status quicker and bogus asylum seekers are deported quicker. And I'm in favour of policies that promote integration of people who do come here.

I'm not in favour of knee jerk panic reactions to a terrorist incident. I doubt that will produce good policy.

I don't know where you got the idea that I've a problem with an ounce of prevention.

Help!!!! · 04-06-2017 09:57PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Well this is embarrassing, type of shíte that goes on all the time no doubt in the media

Typical media BS....See the BBC were caught for having the same Muslim guy on different talkshows & when terrorists struck lately

Beyondgone · 04-06-2017 09:59PM

threeball wrote: »

Them coming isn't the problem though. It's what we do with them once they're caught acting the Bollox. They should be deported back home immediately but we treat them with kid gloves and give them the full benefit of our social welfare system.
No nationally is a problem once they behave. The rest of the world should return our ****heads to us and we can deal with them.
The homegrown Islamic terrorist is a different kettle of fish to what you've outlined above

It was my opinion on one post. Not the answer to all the worlds problems.

I've no idea what the answer to Radical islam is. I dunno if there even is one. In the old days, there would have been a Battle in a field and stuff. I doubt that would fly nowadays. I'm crap with a sword anyways. I'll probably settle for sitting back and watching what unfolds. I just hope very few more attacks like last nights happen. I wouldn't be a fan of seeing innocent people dying because of someone elses Religious or Political Agenda.

Really Interested · 04-06-2017 10:00PM

conorhal wrote: »

So basically here and applying for residence on a leave to remain basis after illegally entering the country because of our failed asylum process and it's endless loopholes, great. Makes a mockery of you 40,000 figure though.

I would assume that 40,000 would include all who entered to claim international protection and got asylum, sup protection or some type of leave to remain. That figure would include all people who arrived since 1995 so over 20 years.

If the process was faster then many of the humanitarian leave cases would not have got a positive result.

Phoebas · 04-06-2017 10:01PM

TallGlass wrote: »

This is the problem, these people don't want to integrate at all. The fact of the matter is these guys are fleeing from there homes due to religion, yet when they arrive here they are creating the same conditions which they left. If anything they should be leaving religion back at home and forgetting about it.

The majority of Muslims living in Ireland aren't fleeing anything.

All the ones that I know are well integrated. YMMV.

London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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