Dairy chit chat II

C0N0R · 02-06-2017 06:46AM

simx wrote: »

anyone using ambic mastitis detectors? ive no problem drawing out spins but herself and my sister do milk at times and thinking it might be handy for them just give a glance at it at chnageover?

Are you having many cases of mastitis being missed due to them milking? If they were only doing the odd milking I wouldn't bother myself, the amount of mastitis that won't be picked up at the first milking will be marginal I would have thought.

Timmaay · 02-06-2017 07:47AM

I was seriously considering the ambic detectors here also, but someone asked a similar question on the teagasc Facebook page a month or so back, and the majority of people who had actually used them had said they were too much hassle to keep clean etc, and took them off soon enough.

simx · 02-06-2017 08:38AM

visatorro wrote: »

Jesus you can call upon two females for help! My partner wouldn't know where the parlour is!

How is being a new entrant suiting you now?

Well my sister is only home at weekends and herself only does it if I've some other thing on

Happy I made the decision tbh but I did like cows to begin with and made sure I did before I took the plunge, can be a pain at times if you want to go off or such but still wouldn't go back

simx · 02-06-2017 08:43AM

C0N0R wrote: »

Are you having many cases of mastitis being missed due to them milking? If they were only doing the odd milking I wouldn't bother myself, the amount of mastitis that won't be picked up at the first milking will be marginal I would have thought.

Ah no if they were causing mastitis due to poor practices they wouldn't be milking again or the correct procedure drilled into them

atlantic mist · 02-06-2017 10:32AM

Timmaay wrote: »

I was seriously considering the ambic detectors here also, but someone asked a similar question on the teagasc Facebook page a month or so back, and the majority of people who had actually used them had said they were too much hassle to keep clean etc, and took them off soon enough.

have them here, must say i do like them, dont have any issue with cleaning them only thing that prevents them cleaning on wash mode is clotted bloody milk, handy to be able to catch cloths before they go near the milk line. was having issues with tbc and scc around calving few years ago and they sorted out my problem, was amazed cloths in freshly calved cows which wernt shown when i drew the animal

Sillycave · 03-06-2017 10:20AM

Butterfat ha been dropping steadily the last while and can't get it back up, looking for advice on how to get it up?
It's at 2.9 (nearly ashamed to say) and never had it anywhere here this low before
Was around 3.5 plus this time last year so it's in them, they are getting between 4-5kg of 18% and not going into steamy grass
Advice much appreciated

Mooooo · 03-06-2017 10:25AM

Sillycave wrote: »

Butterfat ha been dropping steadily the last while and can't get it back up, looking for advice on how to get it up?
It's at 2.9 (nearly ashamed to say) and never had it anywhere here this low before
Was around 3.5 plus this time last year so it's in them, they are getting between 4-5kg of 18% and not going into steamy grass
Advice much appreciated

Drop the p to 14% at least, energy should be the focus of the nut at grass, plenty protein in the grass.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 03-06-2017 10:46AM

C0N0R · 03-06-2017 11:13AM

Sillycave wrote: »

Butterfat ha been dropping steadily the last while and can't get it back up, looking for advice on how to get it up?
It's at 2.9 (nearly ashamed to say) and never had it anywhere here this low before
Was around 3.5 plus this time last year so it's in them, they are getting between 4-5kg of 18% and not going into steamy grass
Advice much appreciated

What's milk protein at?

pedigree 6 · 03-06-2017 11:32AM

Sillycave wrote: »

Butterfat ha been dropping steadily the last while and can't get it back up, looking for advice on how to get it up?
It's at 2.9 (nearly ashamed to say) and never had it anywhere here this low before
Was around 3.5 plus this time last year so it's in them, they are getting between 4-5kg of 18% and not going into steamy grass
Advice much appreciated

It has to be acidosis.

As Moooo said drop that 18% and get on to a 14%.

Some of the other guys here will know how to treat acidosis.

Your feed balance is way out of wack. Too much digestible concentrate and not enough grass.
http://articles.extension.org/pages/26022/new-developments-in-understanding-ruminal-acidosis-in-dairy-cows

http://www.kenpal.on.ca/downloads/AgBriefs/Dairy%20Briefs/2015/May%202015%20-%20Stabilizing%20Butterfat%20(web).pdf

yosemitesam1 · 03-06-2017 01:01PM

Sillycave wrote: »

Butterfat ha been dropping steadily the last while and can't get it back up, looking for advice on how to get it up?
It's at 2.9 (nearly ashamed to say) and never had it anywhere here this low before
Was around 3.5 plus this time last year so it's in them, they are getting between 4-5kg of 18% and not going into steamy grass
Advice much appreciated

How are dungs? Are they doing many litres?

Sillycave · 03-06-2017 01:22PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Drop the p to 14% at least, energy should be the focus of the nut at grass, plenty protein in the grass.

Only after getting a load that will do a month!

Protein 3.26, again this last year was around 3.4 and up

Will google acidosis this evening when I have a min

Dungs are a little soft but not bad

Dose cows for worms etc end of Dec

Thanks for the replies so far

blackdog1 · 03-06-2017 01:36PM

Mooooo wrote:

Drop the p to 14% at least, energy should be the focus of the nut at grass, plenty protein in the grass.

Also you need to put bread soda in the feed. I'd say 100 grammes a cow to start then drop it. I'd see if I could get a tonne or 2 of soya hulls with it mixed in and bucket 1-2kgs to them until new load of feed. Also see if you can get some good hay that they might eat.

jaymla627 · 03-06-2017 01:36PM

Sillycave wrote: »

Only after getting a load that will do a month!

Protein 3.26, again this last year was around 3.4 and up

Will google acidosis this evening when I have a min

Dungs are a little soft but not bad

Dose cows for worms etc end of Dec

Thanks for the replies so far

How much n have you out/following the cows with, wouldn't get to hung up on the nut I'd reckon its high n grass doing the damage to your bf, if possible try get two kilos of soya hulls into your cows, what's your milk urea at the minute if its gone sky high your in big danger of embryo losses too

kowtow · 03-06-2017 02:01PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

How much n have you out/following the cows with, wouldn't get to hung up on the nut I'd reckon its high n grass doing the damage to your bf, if possible try get two kilos of soya hulls into your cows, what's your milk urea at the minute if its gone sky high your in big danger of embryo losses too

Does high n grass tend to stop heats as well as cause embryo loss?

Half bred but have barely seen a cow bulling for weeks now, was expecting a gap alright because of the calving pattern but beginning to pull my hair out! We use Kamars which were brilliant last year but the gap is making me doubt them! - no bull or teaser in there at all so it's just me and the patches!

It's not such a critical factor for us, and I have some to breed for autumn calving anyway... but still....

Might scan & PG a few next week along with some heifers I have to do... get things back on track..

yosemitesam1 · 03-06-2017 02:37PM

kowtow wrote: »

Does high n grass tend to stop heats as well as cause embryo loss?

Half bred but have barely seen a cow bulling for weeks now, was expecting a gap alright because of the calving pattern but beginning to pull my hair out! We use Kamars which were brilliant last year but the gap is making me doubt them! - no bull or teaser in there at all so it's just me and the patches!

It's not such a critical factor for us, and I have some to breed for autumn calving anyway... but still....

Might scan & PG a few next week along with some heifers I have to do... get things back on track..

High n could cause a load of problems in different ways; increases energy requirements, ties up vitamins/minerals, reduces immune systems strength, possibly toxic to developing egg and probably a lot more negative effects

Mooooo · 03-06-2017 02:41PM

Sillycave wrote: »

Only after getting a load that will do a month!

Protein 3.26, again this last year was around 3.4 and up

Will google acidosis this evening when I have a min

Dungs are a little soft but not bad

Dose cows for worms etc end of Dec

Thanks for the replies so far

If you have a few paddocks where grass is a bit stemmy or not ideal, you could put them in there for a grazing it may help, obviously not in to silage now but just slightly strong grass, or offer straw/ hay on there way out of parlour. If spreading fert follow cows instead of blanketing if possible this time of year

Mooooo · 03-06-2017 02:43PM

kowtow wrote: »

Does high n grass tend to stop heats as well as cause embryo loss?

Half bred but have barely seen a cow bulling for weeks now, was expecting a gap alright because of the calving pattern but beginning to pull my hair out! We use Kamars which were brilliant last year but the gap is making me doubt them! - no bull or teaser in there at all so it's just me and the patches!

It's not such a critical factor for us, and I have some to breed for autumn calving anyway... but still....

Might scan & PG a few next week along with some heifers I have to do... get things back on track..

Neighbour has only had a 20 repeats in second round of ai out of 120 served in first 3 weeks so he's wondering. As well if something is up, he doesn't think it's N tho

leg wax · 03-06-2017 02:52PM

we scanned on monday to check for problem cows ,we found 4, but he was able to get first 10 days of breeding because at 30 days he can see preg ,out of 76 scanned 35 are incalf for the first 10 days next jan feb.

AgriMad · 03-06-2017 03:43PM

Can 2 different fertilisers be spread on the same ground on the same day? For e.g. 2 bags of 18-6-12 and 1 bag urea on silage ground?

Keepgrowing · 03-06-2017 04:01PM

AgriMad wrote: »

Can 2 different fertilisers be spread on the same ground on the same day? For e.g. 2 bags of 18-6-12 and 1 bag urea on silage ground?

Yes they can or indeed mixed and spread together

kowtow · 03-06-2017 04:04PM

Mooooo wrote: »

he's wondering. As well if something is up

Or as the OH said to me (rather unhelpfully) this morning.. "could one of them be a bull, by any chance?"....

Buford T. Justice XIX · 03-06-2017 04:44PM

AgriMad wrote: »

Can 2 different fertilisers be spread on the same ground on the same day? For e.g. 2 bags of 18-6-12 and 1 bag urea on silage ground?

No bother at all. Only problem would be with lime and then urea or fert and slurry too close together.

thisyear · 03-06-2017 05:12PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Sillycave wrote: »

Butterfat ha been dropping steadily the last while and can't get it back up, looking for advice on how to get it up?
It's at 2.9 (nearly ashamed to say) and never had it anywhere here this low before
Was around 3.5 plus this time last year so it's in them, they are getting between 4-5kg of 18% and not going into steamy grass
Advice much appreciated

Drop the p to 14% at least, energy should be the focus of the nut at grass, plenty protein in the grass.

This is a nutrition issue alright. If your feeding 5kg I'd be getting onto the feed company to help fix Monday. In meantime if you have any bales I'd give one to the cow's to start with!!!

whelan2 · 03-06-2017 05:25PM

What hit would there be on price per litre at such low butter fat?

Timmaay · 03-06-2017 07:33PM

whelan2 wrote: »

What hit would there be on price per litre at such low butter fat?

I don't think asking that question will help their problems at all ha ugh, but now that you asked, 2.9bf and 3.2pr leaves you at 28c when the base price is 31c if your Glanbia.

orm0nd · 04-06-2017 08:43AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

How much n have you out/following the cows with, wouldn't get to hung up on the nut I'd reckon its high n grass doing the damage to your bf, if possible try get two kilos of soya hulls into your cows, what's your milk urea at the minute if its gone sky high your in big danger of embryo losses too

At what level should we get concerned about milk urea ? starting to creep up here, had a few cows lose embyro last year & blamed high mu

jaymla627 · 04-06-2017 09:06AM

orm0nd wrote: »

At what level should we get concerned about milk urea ? starting to creep up here, had a few cows lose embyro last year & blamed high mu

Over 30 and it becomes a issue I reckon, had serious issues last year aswell with embryo losses and milk urea was running at 35-40 for alot of the summer, held back on n put out this year for the first 3 rounds and buffering cows with hulls/pk/flaked maize mix before evening milking milk urea currently running at 20 average at the minute and bf at 3.65 was down at 3.4 this time last year

mahoney_j · 04-06-2017 09:31AM

orm0nd wrote: »

At what level should we get concerned about milk urea ? starting to creep up here, had a few cows lose embyro last year & blamed high mu

Over 30 I'd be getting concerned

whelan2 · 04-06-2017 09:33AM

Do all creameries now test for milk urea at every collection?

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