Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

neverever1 wrote: »

Unfortunately I think countries like Denmark and Sweden might be getting thrown into 'the west' grouping. It really only has been certain countries who've been bombing the Middle East but it might not seem like it from there. This could mean we might get caught up in it all also.
If that does happen I would be disgusted by the attacker obviously but I'd be also disgusted by those who allowed the use of Shannon and also with Britain as their actions around the globe are putting us in danger because of our proximity to them.

The Islamist killers in Sweden and Denmark had been living there for a while, they were'nt living in Pakistan or Qatar,they had no excuse for ignorance of their adoptive country's policies. The same goes for the killer in Germany.What they did know was that these were countries that had given them every opportunity.
This killer came from Libya, not Iraq. A huge number of IS recruits have come from Tunisia and other countries that have no beef with the West. They murder and bomb in the countries that gave them or their parent's shelter, asylum. Why should we accept it as a given or as natural,that Muslims have some excuse for murder because another Muslim country,possibly a thousand miles away, is at war with a Western country? Buddhists, Confucuians and Hindus don't believe that their being a Buddhist or a Hindu trumps their loyalty to their country of residence. Remarkably, despite that state of confrontation that has existed, on and off,between the West and Iran for decades now,there have been no mass murders by Shi'a Muslims., which makes me believe that the "Western policy" excuse is specious.

_Whimsical_ wrote:

Irish terrorist were not fighting to establish religious supremacy or on a religious point of principle. They were called Irish terrorists all around the world even though they did not represent the values of the vast majority of the Irish people. Islamic terrorists are fighting for religious values. It's plain inaccurate to call them anything else. The name doesn't suggest all Muslims are terrorists anymore than the name Irish terrorists suggest all Irish people are terrorists.

So if 'irish terrorists' was a crappy way to describe the IRA because it caused lumped all Irish people in with the terrorists, then why are some people so insistent on calling these attackers 'Islamic terrorists' when it makes the same broad brush insinuating? Why not narrow it down and call them ISIS terrorists?

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neverever1 wrote: »

Unfortunately I think countries like Denmark and Sweden might be getting thrown into 'the west' grouping. It really only has been certain countries who've been bombing the Middle East but it might not seem like it from there. This could mean we might get caught up in it all also.
If that does happen I would be disgusted by the attacker obviously but I'd be also disgusted by those who allowed the use of Shannon and also with Britain as their actions around the globe are putting us in danger because of our proximity to them.

Things like Gay Marriage, our party craic socializing with lots of beer, independent women, growing atheism, etc are all going to be more pressing reasons for attacks that what goes on in Shannon.

neverever1 wrote: »

People don't attack for that. They are add ons. The route cause is the mass bombing of the Middle East for decades in my opinion.

The Islamic State respectfully disagrees with you, that is way down there list but for some reason, it may not apply to you, but those who give your reasoning are loath to listen to the Org. behind it given it conflicts with their own view.

Is that what they mean about the racism of low expectations, if they were white would they be taken at their word?

Last night's horrific attack was not just an attack on innocent kids, it was an attack on women and an inclusive, free society. The attacker knew the majority of Ariana Grande fans would have been young girls and he couldn't have picked an easier target. But this is in keeping with the warped Whabbist ideology that fuels such sick hate. A warped ideology that had its birth pangs in and continues to be spread and funded by the disgusting and primitive House Of Saud in Saudi Arabia. A country that treats women like chattel and their rights are almost non-existent.

Yet this is the same country where The United States Of America just signed a new ten year $350 billion dollar arms deal last weekend. A deal that maintains The House Of Sauds suppression regime in Saudi Arabia, a deal that further enables their continuing brutality in Yemen and their global exportation of terror. But that's O.K, because for successive American administrations, their corporate masters and money is and always will be their God. The American 'national interest' is more important than the rights of women, the kids in Yemen or the global victims of Saudis inspired Wahhabi terror. So the elephant in the room has to be ignored.

Why? Because billion dollar deals and The Saudis trillion dollar investments in the American economy. Means the Americans will gladly turn a blind eye, as The Saudis continue to provide the ideological and financial support to Wahhabi terrorist scum. Incompetent and war mongering America foreign policy through the decades has also facilitated, enabled and fueled the growth of the psychopaths from Daesh and Al Qaeda. From the brutal and illegal war in Iraq to the destruction of Libya, helping to return it to the stone age.

Which all begs the question, will America ever learn and stop the cycle? Or are the corporate profits just too good? Will they ever stop this hypocrisy and confront The disgusting House Of Saud and the continuing export of their warped, Wahhabi, terrorist ideology. Sadly, I suspect they won't. Since Saudi oil and their big investments in The West will continue to prevent such confrontation, because it would appear that money is and will continue to be God.

So the media and the experts, will continue to waste their times analysing the symptoms of the disease, rather than focusing on the real cause of the disease and why it isn't being addressed. Meanwhile, more beautiful & innocent young kids who are just beginning their lives, will continue to die and be sacrificed on the altar of hypocrisy.

My deepest sympathies to all who suffered during last night's horror and may those who died RIP.

all it takes is one nutjob to carry out these attacks, remember what happened in Norway a few years with Anders Breivik and he killed twice as many

Seeing some the videos on the news is awful. Seeing eejits excusing this and refusing to allow any idea of change is so heartless.

This is too close to home

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/867106285208162304


Even Morrissey is saying it. Morrissey ffs. He is more left wing than Ryan Giggs.