Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

tomofson · 23-05-2017 07:07PM

......... wrote: »

Yeah good idea, would't want the lie challenged now would you. You're free to talk about Manchester but instead of posting about that, all your interested in instead is covering up.

Covering up what exactly? I never brought up the IRA and see them as irrelevant to this topic. Like get over it already. Are you going to use this comment to get another little dig in about the IRA just for an excuse to mention them once more now??? Go right ahead im sure your going to anyway.

Help!!!! · 23-05-2017 07:07PM

martingriff wrote: »

Just WOW seriously talk of the most over reaction reaction I have read. I know people are emotive here so am I not just because its another terrorist attack but because they targeted kids but sometimes we need to step back and take a deep breath. What has his family or friends (how far do we go here very close friends or work colleagues, just Islamic friends). How do you know where he was radicalised. Is it just Islamic extremists or any mass murder/killer.

Well maybe future suicide bombers might see the mess they will leave behind if families were deported.

SkepticQuark · 23-05-2017 07:09PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Masterful deflection by the islamist fans. Turn it into an IRA discussion to distract from talking about the actual incident. Well played islam fans.

Your reaction to an off-topic discussion is to accuse people of being "fans" of both "islamist" and "islam" (which are two different things really)....

wonderfullife · 23-05-2017 07:09PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Masterful deflection by the islamist fans. Turn it into an IRA discussion to distract from talking about the actual incident. Well played islam fans.

Nobody is a "fan" of Islamist terror.

Or any other sort of terror.

People are merely pointing out that most of the right-wing lunatics on this forum, of which there are plenty, are equating the threat of Islamic Terror to the coming of Satan's Dark Forces when the actual statistics show the threat is minimal.

As I've now said three times, more UK citizens have died from peanut allergies in the past 15 years than have been killed by Radical Islamists. It was correct the first twice I said it and stands now.

Where's your poxy crusade against peanuts? They're brown too.

DeanAustin · 23-05-2017 07:09PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Well maybe future suicide bombers might see the mess they will leave behind if families were deported.

Where exactly do you deport British citizens to?

......... · 23-05-2017 07:10PM

Beyondgone wrote: »

I couldn't give a toss about the past, the whataboutery or motivation/justification or any of that. I'm just boiling that the cowardly b****d targeted kids and their parents out enjoying themselves.

What sort of scummer walks in amongst a load of children and detonates a bomb? Utter evil c**t doesn't even cover it.

Apparently it's ok if certain people do it but not others.

neverever1 · 23-05-2017 07:10PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Given that you use the term freedom fighters for republicans and therefore justify that violence, you are in fact justifying this attack.

No, we all think they're freedom fighters. Did you not see us celebrating them all last year?

23-05-2017 07:11PM

......... wrote: »

Apparently it's ok if certain people do it but not others.

Nobody is saying that.

clairewithani · 23-05-2017 07:11PM

I just came on this thread to say how awful it was people lost their lives. Feel desperately sorry for the lives and families destroyed. Be so hard for a the city to get over something like this. Read some of the thread but the squabbling and point scoring is disappointing. People really should just get priorities straight.

Yourself isit · 23-05-2017 07:11PM

......... wrote: »

The day of threatening people to be silent is over.
No, it's actually its the republicans on here claiming the republicans never carried out any terrorist bombings and never targeted women and kids, are the ones that need to start a new thread. Whether you like it or not, every time they state that disgusting lie on this thread, a thread about the murder of women and kids, they are going to be challenged.

I think this kicked off when I said Isis != IRA. If it gets you back on target then the UVF != Isis. And ETA != Isis.

A quick search of your history reveals you haven't yet condemned this attack.

In fact that's true of most of the "what about the IRA" posters on here. It's a deflection.

pjohnson · 23-05-2017 07:12PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Nobody is a "fan" of Islamist terror.

Or any other sort of terror.

People are merely pointing out that most of the right-wing lunatics on this forum, of which there are plenty, are equating the threat of Islamic Terror to the coming of Satan's Dark Forces when the actual statistics show the threat is minimal.

As I've now said three times, more UK citizens have died from peanut allergies in the past 15 years than have been killed by Radical Islamists. It was correct the first twice I said it and stands now.

Where's your poxy crusade against peanuts? They're brown too.

Ok I'm sure the families of all the dead children will be delighted by your fact. You dont need to keep preaching it. Muslims are lovely we need to put peanuts on the watchlist.

neverever1 · 23-05-2017 07:12PM

Samaris wrote: »

If you reckon that that is an excuse for the murder of innocent people (and I don't say you do, but if you do), then you presumably reckon that the conditions in parts of the Middle East obviously justify the terrorist attacks now.

Yes, conditions were bad. Yes, conditions in the Middle East are (actually a lot worse than were in Ireland, not to start a who's-worse-off) awful. No, it's not a good reason.

I don't think there can be any justification for the deaths of innocents. People don't just wake up one morning and decide they want to kill. It comes from somewhere.

Ulysses Gaze · 23-05-2017 07:12PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Nobody is a "fan" of Islamist terror.

Or any other sort of terror.

People are merely pointing out that most of the right-wing lunatics on this forum, of which there are plenty, are equating the threat of Islamic Terror to the coming of Satan's Dark Forces when the actual statistics show the threat is minimal.

As I've now said three times, more UK citizens have died from peanut allergies in the past 15 years than have been killed by Radical Islamists. It was correct the first twice I said it and stands now.

Where's your poxy crusade against peanuts? They're brown too.

Why are you peddling this type of canard? Not once, not twice but thrice?

Radical Islamists intend to kill people in these terrorist attacks.

The last time I checked, if you eat peanuts, you do not intend to kill yourself or others.

23-05-2017 07:12PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Nobody is a "fan" of Islamist terror.

Or any other sort of terror.

People are merely pointing out that most of the right-wing lunatics on this forum, of which there are plenty, are equating the threat of Islamic Terror to the coming of Satan's Dark Forces when the actual statistics show the threat is minimal.

As I've now said three times, more UK citizens have died from peanut allergies in the past 15 years than have been killed by Radical Islamists. It was correct the first twice I said it and stands now.

Where's your poxy crusade against peanuts? They're brown too.

At least food comes with a warning if it contains nuts.

The Rape of Lucretia · 23-05-2017 07:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't help but notice on boards and elsewhere the distinct lack of the words "radical Islam".

Because to most of us its just 'Islam'. No need for the 'radical' qualification. A superstitious way of life, based on the clearly nonsense ramblings of ancient texts, which, being nonsense, make it impossible to resolve conflicts or debate relating to them in any rational way. Anybody following Islam is vulnerable to loosing their minds this way and think that they are doing the will of their imagined deity by killing others. It is the nature of it. So Islam is Radical Islam is Islam.

Mr.Micro wrote: »

The majority of Muslims are decent people.

Probably. But the superstition they follow is in no way decent. They need help.

tomofson · 23-05-2017 07:16PM

Divine Justice wrote: »

Those calling for the destruction of the west deserve death. The want kill us, enslave us. **** them. This is war and we should show no mercy.

If they are allowed do it on a platform most likely they are in cohorts with the intelligence services and security forces...

Just look at how many bomb plots anjem choudry helped prevent.

Those hate preachers are well placed informants in case you haven't noticed.

pjohnson · 23-05-2017 07:16PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Why are you peddling this type of canard? Not once, not twice but thrice?

Radical Islamists intend to kill people in these terrorist attacks.

The last time I checked, if you eat peanuts, you do not intend to kill yourself or others.

I think they ironically cant see past "there brown too" to realise how a peanut and an exploding muslim are extremely different.

Nabber · 23-05-2017 07:16PM

Integration won't work.

My current employer is a large multinational corporation.
They re-structured my org so as two Muslim men wouldn't have to report to my colleague (Irish/white/female)

The two guys also refuse to shake hands with any female colleagues but are fine with shaking men's hands.

Over the canteen talk this comes up a lot, that they have made little or no effort to adapt to our society. That women are equal amount men.
These two men are well educated and from their own mouth they are from respectable families. Based on their past education they would appear so.

From all but one interaction with Muslim men and women, I have found none have adapted or accepted our way of life.

There was one guy, but he kept his life in Ireland secret from his family in Jordan.

1st, 2nd & 3rd generation are not integrating into our society. It was a failed experiment.

If you want to make your society 'better' then attack Islam with the same ferocity that Christianity has had. Same for Hinduism and Judaism

Yourself isit · 23-05-2017 07:17PM

tomofson wrote: »

If they are allowed do it on a platform most likely they are in cohorts with the intelligence services and security forces...

Just look at how many bomb plots anjem choudry helped prevent.

Those hate preachers are well placed informants in case you haven't noticed.

I mean they could be. But you don't have much evidence.

Help!!!! · 23-05-2017 07:17PM

About 20 years ago I was working with an ex Muslim from the Ivory Coast, he said to me there would be a civil war in Europe because the Muslims wanted to take over. Take of that what you will but many ex Muslims say the same thing. Wonder where they got those ideas from

tomofson · 23-05-2017 07:18PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

I mean they could be. But you don't have much evidence.

Figure it out it doesn't take a genius. Everyone of those hate preachers have a list of "followers" caught just before they could carry out the attacks. Come on not hard to put two and two together. The dumbos who follow them probably cant but i sure as hell can.

pjohnson · 23-05-2017 07:20PM

roddy15 wrote: »

Violence begets violence. Why are these sort of people always coming out of the woodwork when these events happen. You are basically advocating we drop all of the foundations of society and resort to an execution contest by hanging people from lampposts. What a disgusting comment....

I was always thought you earn respect, blowing up children/innocent people does not earn respect from me. Also treat others as you want to be treated. That lot dont care about who they kill just that they kill enough. Thats whats galling when people talk about "human rights" and "society". These creatures who want to kill as many as they can don't deserve any dignity or respect. Where was the dignity they gave their victims?

Yourself isit · 23-05-2017 07:21PM

tomofson wrote: »

Figure it out it doesn't take a genius. Everyone of those hate preachers have a list of "followers" caught just before they could carry out the attacks. Come on not hard to put two and two together. The dumbos who follow them probably cant but i sure as hell can.

Right. That's not enough evidence.

Be nice to think it was true but I doubt the competence of the intelligence services.

Help!!!! · 23-05-2017 07:22PM

Nabber wrote: »

Integration won't work.

My current employer is a large multinational corporation.
They re-structured my org so as two Muslim men wouldn't have to report to my colleague (Irish/white/female)

The two guys also refuse to shake hands with any female colleagues but are fine with shaking men's hands.

Over the canteen talk this comes up a lot, that they have made little or no effort to adapt to our society. That women are equal amount men.
These two men are well educated and from their own mouth they are from respectable families. Based on their past education they would appear so.

From all but one interaction with Muslim men and women, I have found none have adapted or accepted our way of life.

There was one guy, but he kept his life in Ireland secret from his family in Jordan.

1st, 2nd & 3rd generation are not integrating into our society. It was a failed experiment.

If you want to make your society 'better' then attack Islam with the same ferocity that Christianity has had. Same for Hinduism and Judaism

The problem is the majority on here have never met a Muslim apart from down they local curry house. We have been lucky in Ireland because we havent imported thousands of them at once. Muslims want society to fit around them

23-05-2017 07:22PM

Somedude9 wrote: »

Grievance? Would you feck off! I find your post offensive. Spare your sympathy for the murdered innocents.

Maybe you should read my post, and previous posts, before your "offense" causes you to make ridiculous - and highly offensive - accusations.

I have every sympathy for the victims, and none whatsoever for the cowardly scum who carried out this atrocity.

None of which changes the fact that he believed he had some kind of grievance.

That doesn't mean I agree with his beliefs, it just means people usually have a motive/perceived (there's that same word again) motive for what they do.

HigginsJ wrote: »

Sky News are reporting that IS are claiming responsibility for the attack and that the terrorist who carried it out was one of their members. Hope they and all their kind are pleased that they managed to kill 22 people including an 8 year old girl, I'm sure she was a real affront to their ****ing beliefs.

The authorities need to be given carte blanche and **** due process for anyone who is on any of these lists or known to them, **** whatever rights they might think they have.

I am so angry :mad: There is no reason, cause, justification, excuse or whatever for acts like this, these people don't give a ****.

Yeah, they must feel like a real bunch of heroes!:rolleyes: Bunch of cowardly scum, they target the weakest in society - innocent kids!:mad:

Fully agree that there is absolutely no justification for this.

Exeggcute wrote: »

Blowback is blowback no matter how unsavoury or barbaric it is in terms of the indiscriminate murder of children

Citizens however cannot divorce themselves from the actions of their governments that they elected. So that is the "we" I am referring to - the collective responsibility born by a society and their elected representatives.

If "we" don't agree with the policies of our elected government then "we" can throw them out of office.

And leading terrorism experts have been saying the same thing for years.

That might be the case if we had direct democracy, with a system where we could recall our politicians when they do things we disagree with.

As it is, they have carte blanch to lie to their hearts content before elections, and do whatever they please when elected.

martingriff · 23-05-2017 07:25PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

The only person defending the IRA here is neverever. Take your ire out on him.

Except you are the 1 who is trying to say the IRA never targeted woman and children. and that is what I was replying to not those who and trying to defend the IRA so that is what I am replying to you and your quiet frankly ludicrous accretion that the IRA never targeted women and children. So how about you try to make an argument for mine against yours or realise that you could have been wrong

tomofson · 23-05-2017 07:25PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Right. That's not enough evidence.

Be nice to think it was true but I doubt the competence of the intelligence services.

Far more attacks foiled, than "successful" (as much as i hate to use that word) mostly all thanks to the well placed informants. If you give them a platform and let them spow their "death to the west" bull then others will seek them out and try to get close to them, by doing this they open themselves up and allow themselves to be red flagged. They will also confide in those people.

wonderfullife · 23-05-2017 07:27PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Why are you peddling this type of canard? Not once, not twice but thrice?

Radical Islamists intend to kill people in these terrorist attacks.

The last time I checked, if you eat peanuts, you do not intend to kill yourself or others.

So you're saying we should be far more worried by things that are intentional as opposed to unintentional, despite the unintentional things posing far higher problems?

Splendid.

At what point will any of you admit the actual threat posed by Radical Islamic Terrorists in the UK has been statistically extremely low?

Why the disproportionate and irrational attitude towards this one problem? It's the same in America..... if it's an Radical Islamist who bombs somewhere killing 20 people you have this extremely xenophobic, racist reaction but if it's just regular old mass murder committed by non-Muslims there's a "meh" reaction.

tomofson · 23-05-2017 07:27PM

martingriff wrote: »

Except you are the 1 who is trying to say the IRA never targeted woman and children. and that is what I was replying to not those who and trying to defend the IRA so that is what I am replying to you and your quiet frankly ludicrous accretion that the IRA never targeted women and children. So how about you try to make an argument for mine against yours or realise that you could have been wrong

We almost got two pages without a mention please dont go starting that off again.

SkepticQuark · 23-05-2017 07:29PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I was always thought you earn respect, blowing up children/innocent people does not earn respect from me. Also treat others as you want to be treated. That lot dont care about who they kill just that they kill enough. Thats whats galling when people talk about "human rights" and "society". These creatures who want to kill as many as they can don't deserve any dignity or respect. Where was the dignity they gave their victims?

The minute you stop following due process and the order we have put into our Western societies is the moment you degrade to their level. Look at things like Gitmo, the minute you throw out due process you get innocent people being locked away for years.

This is not a black or white issue like you and so many are trying to do with your arguments, there is a middle ground to going around executing people with a "kill list" and being all lovey dubby by letting everyone and anyone in and letting radicals have platforms to speak.

Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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