Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

Thomas__ · 23-05-2017 09:54AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

What has the IRA got to do with these frequent radical Islamic attacks all over Europe?

Maybe Trump can ring up Mohammed Abdullabahal and coin a ceasefire, they seem like reasonable people.

They all learned from each other in the past and "nail bombs" were certainly a device used by the f*cking Provos. Have you forgotten about the blasts the PIRA committed at Pubs? The more crowded the better the target, just that the f*cking Islamists are seeking to get their suicide attacks brought onto bigger Events with more people around to hit.

Jayop · 23-05-2017 09:54AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how May and Corbyn respond to this.

Corbyn needs to condemn it in the strongest possible terms, no wishy-washy stuff about UK foreign policy etc.

Why not? UK foreign policy as well as that of many other EU countries and the USA are the root cause of these attacks. If you spend decades ****ting on a large part of the world then don't be surprised when some of them decide to **** back.

ChikiChiki · 23-05-2017 09:55AM

Quazzie wrote: »

What about the attack in Omagh?

Go away with that ****e. This is about the horrific attack on Manchester last night.

Thomas__ · 23-05-2017 09:55AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how May and Corbyn respond to this.

Corbyn needs to condemn it in the strongest possible terms, no wishy-washy stuff about UK foreign policy etc.

I wouldn´t anticipate much from this former friend of the SF/IRA that goes beyond the lukewarm statements he already published.

Balmed Out · 23-05-2017 09:55AM

Thomas__ wrote: »

The Provo-Terrorist got the wrong street name when he called the Police to give the warning.

An innocent mistake ,why would you give him the benefit of the doubt, the murdering scum gave the wrong street name.

ricero · 23-05-2017 09:56AM

Got to say trumps words this morning were touching and bang on the money. Its time we attack and not wait to be victims anymore. Time for world leaders to come together and send troops in to kill isis. Once the head is cut off we can get the rest of these losers throughout europe

Jayop · 23-05-2017 09:57AM

Thomas__ wrote: »

I wouldn´t anticipate much from this former friend of the SF/IRA that goes beyond the lukewarm statements he already published.

The glee from the likes of yourself when something like this happens that you're able to spout your hate without fear of being called out for a few days is disgusting.

Billy86 · 23-05-2017 09:57AM

Have any suspects been named or caught yet?

Thomas__ · 23-05-2017 09:58AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Quazzie wrote: »

What about the attack in Omagh?

Go away with that ****e. This is about the horrific attack on Manchester last night.

There´s nothing wrong with pointing out the similarities in patterns among various Terrorist Groups from the past to the present. I can only help you to get the bigger picture and see the core issue that drives them on which is simply to terrorise people and by that targeting the whole society.

Walter H Price · 23-05-2017 09:58AM

BPKS wrote: »

Not even 21 years ago, the IRA detonated a huge bomb not 200 metres from last nights attack. Try not to re-write history.

The bomb is the same , the act of killing innocents its equally repugnant ... the point i was making and you are choosing to ignore because it doesn't fit the liberal narrative is that the IRA , ETA etc... Had a political grievance , there was an actual physical reason behind those attacks something that could be addressed sat around a table and negotiated , that's how we got the Goodmfriday agreement.

The IRA bombing campaign in the UK is an absolute stain on the history of Ireland and republicanism , but you cannot argue that it was politically not religiously motivated , they didn't bomb Brighton , Manchester , Birmingham etc to kill protestants they did it to try and force the hand of the British government into negotiating a solution to the issues in the North.

Who do we get around a table to call a ceasefire to a fking Jihad ? its a war on a culture a way of life there is no literally no political solution here in terms of negotiating a deal with the other side

seachto7 · 23-05-2017 09:58AM

Those saying the IRA, and the rest of them up north, were somehow a "better" type of terrorist. F**k off with yourselves. Same result.

Jayop · 23-05-2017 09:58AM

ricero wrote: »

Got to say trumps words this morning were touching and bang on the money. Its time we attack and not wait to be victims anymore. Time for world leaders to come together and send troops in to kill isis. Once the head is cut off we can get the rest of these losers throughout europe

Absolutely right. Worked a charm all those other times troops were sent to the middle east.

Akrasia · 23-05-2017 09:59AM

Coffee Fulled Runner wrote: »

Damn Buddhists going around meditating

Religion is a problem when it is a cause worth killing and dying for. So is republicanism, white nationalism, socialism....

We shouldn't pander to any extremist ideology. We shouldn't tolerate any ideology that says their ingroup are inherently better than all others.

BNP and UKIP ideologies are precursor movements to paramilitary or terrorist activity just as fundamentalist Islamic mosques are. We're just waiting for the tipping point.

We should be de-escalating conflict instead of hyping up the hate and division. Terrorist activity needs to be prosecuted under the criminal justice system, not vigilante outrage and race reprisals that only make things worse

Fred Swanson · 23-05-2017 09:59AM

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Jayop · 23-05-2017 10:00AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Religion is a problem when it is a cause worth killing and dying for. So is republicanism, white nationalism, socialism....

We shouldn't pander to any extremist ideology. We shouldn't tolerate any ideology that says their ingroup are inherently better than all others.

BNP and UKIP ideologies are precursor movements to paramilitary or terrorist activity just as fundamentalist Islamic mosques are. We're just waiting for the tipping point.

We should be de-escalating conflict instead of hyping up the hate and division. Terrorist activity needs to be prosecuted under the criminal justice system, not vigilante outrage and race reprisals that only make things worse

Don't forget capitalism in your list of ideologies worth killing for.

muppetshow · 23-05-2017 10:00AM

NinjaKirby wrote: »

I'm sure this seems logical to you on the surface but it could just as easily be said Less Humans = Less Attacks.

Or, even better, No Humans = No Attacks.

What price are we willing to pay?

Even if 100% of terror attacks were Muslim attacks you have to look at the actual % of Muslims who are terrorists. It's a very very very small %.

So we can't just say Muslims are the problem.

We could MAYBE say that Islam is the problem but then I think we'd need to admit that maybe Religion is the problem.

Extremism is the problem and all we can do is try to stop people from spreading extremist views and stop extremist views from being popularized.

We can't just put people into internment camps and close our borders. We certainly can't just round people up because they follow a certain religion. It's not right.

What happens when the right wings start to fight back?Civil war?genocide?
Maybe its time to say stop for a while now,helping refugees,before we destroy the continent called Europe.

seachto7 · 23-05-2017 10:00AM

Walter H Price wrote: »

but you cannot argue that it was politically not religiously motivated , they didn't bomb Brighton , Manchester , Birmingham etc to kill protestants they did it to try and force the hand of the British government into negotiating a solution to the issues in the North.

Didn't they do just that in the north? As did the UVF to Catholics. Simply because they were of the other...

Fratton Fred · 23-05-2017 10:00AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

English means born in England/holds English passport to be legally clear

British passport, no such thing as an English one. But yes, no one would argue that Moeen Ali is not English because he can't trace his roots back to the Angles

Yourself isit wrote: »

If America and Britain weren't bombing the middle East that would be the reason. The us is taking the side of the jihadis against Assad.

You are right though that yank actions have radicalised Islam. The links between the us and Saudi are abysmal.

Most of this can be traced back to 1979. The Iranian revolution and the creation of the first Islamic theocracy, the Grand Mosque Siege and the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

Abdullah Yusuf Azzam is considered the Father of Modern Jihad

jacksie66 · 23-05-2017 10:00AM

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Thomas__ · 23-05-2017 10:00AM

Jayop wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

I wouldn´t anticipate much from this former friend of the SF/IRA that goes beyond the lukewarm statements he already published.

The glee from the likes of yourself when something like this happens that you're able to spout your hate without fear of being called out for a few days is disgusting.

You´ve got it utterly wrong and I would advise you to read my previous posts in which I admitted my contempt of all sorts of radicalism and terrorists. But you´re jumping very quick to false conclusions and that is just your problem, not mine. That is all I have to say to you in respond to your silly comment which I find not just disgusting, but more over, very idiotic and unqualified indeed.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 10:01AM

ricero wrote: »

Got to say trumps words this morning were touching and bang on the money. Its time we attack and not wait to be victims anymore. Time for world leaders to come together and send troops in to kill isis. Once the head is cut off we can get the rest of these losers throughout europe

You do realise that the middle east is being bombed on a daily basis?

RayM · 23-05-2017 10:01AM

Billy86 wrote: »

Have any suspects been named or caught yet?

Somebody, somewhere will be noticing that their problematic son/brother, who kept himself to himself and never showed any interest in extremism before, didn't return home last night.

23-05-2017 10:01AM

There is no line anymore. None. Like with Canary Wharf and the World Trade Centre you could argue that the scumbags were targeting business centres/landmarks and trying to cripple the host country and it's economy but this is f*cking kids at a concert. Children. Nothing is below these animals and I can't actually see how it can be stopped outright. So sad and so utterly dispicable.

RIP to those killed and hopefully the injured make full recoveries.

gandalf · 23-05-2017 10:01AM

I see that people are out labelling a whole religion again because of the actions of a minority. Don't they realise this is exactly what the scumbags who carry out these murders want and you are handing them that victory on a silver platter.

It's doubly galling as someone who grew up in the 1970s and 80s during the IRA bombing campaign in Britain and remembering how we were treated visiting there and how my relatives were treated over there because of their ancestry. Some people have very short memories.

RIP to the victims and my thoughts are with the loved ones who will have to pick themselves up from this nightmare.

Jayop · 23-05-2017 10:03AM

Thomas__ wrote: »

You´ve got it utterly wrong and I would advise you to read my previous posts in which I admitted my contempt of all sorts of radicalism and terrorists. But you´re jumping very quick to false conclusions and that is just your problem, not mine. That is all I have to say to you in respond to your silly comment which I find not just disgusting, but more over, very idiotic and unqualified indeed.

Aye right. You're delighted you can post your bs here all morning about every group of people not exactly like you.

There's a few of you in this thread and a fee of you in every thread like this. Sad people. Go back to watching Fox and reading the daily mail.

Thomas__ · 23-05-2017 10:04AM

Jayop wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

You´ve got it utterly wrong and I would advise you to read my previous posts in which I admitted my contempt of all sorts of radicalism and terrorists. But you´re jumping very quick to false conclusions and that is just your problem, not mine. That is all I have to say to you in respond to your silly comment which I find not just disgusting, but more over, very idiotic and unqualified indeed.

Aye right. You're delighted you can post your bs here all morning about every group of people not exactly like you.

There's a few of you in this thread and a fee of you in every thread like this. Sad people. Go back to watching Fox and reading the daily mail.

Welcome to my ignore list.

23-05-2017 10:04AM

Quazzie wrote: »

The point of your post was that somehow the IRA bombings which killed hundreds were somehow better because occasionally they rang ahead to let authorities know what was coming. I don't think the pregnant woman and the 12 children killed in Omagh would agree with your post.

Quazzie wrote: »

What about the attack in Omagh?

It reads like you don't even know what group carried out the attack. Also they ****ed it up because they were brainless bastards and parked in the wrong place. Obviously you'll pretend that that means I'm excusing them/the attack because you're disingenuous at best.

murpho999 · 23-05-2017 10:04AM

ricero wrote: »

Got to say trumps words this morning were touching and bang on the money. Its time we attack and not wait to be victims anymore. Time for world leaders to come together and send troops in to kill isis. Once the head is cut off we can get the rest of these losers throughout europe

Who are the 'we' you are referring to?

Also, who should be attacked and how would that stop terrorism?

So start bombing villages and killing innocents in the likes of Syria and Libya will not solve anything.

Just like the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq haven't.

buck65 · 23-05-2017 10:04AM

CeilingFly wrote: »

Scaremongering bull.

No smoke. No fire, no gunshots.

Sometimes ACCIDENTS happen.

There is absolutely nothing about this tragedy that suggests anything other than some dreadful accident with something in the arena.

But due to sensationalist media and overactive social media, fools jump to the "terrorism" assumption.

Yes, because sometimes the obvious answer is obvious.

blanch152 · 23-05-2017 10:05AM

Walter H Price wrote: »

The bomb is the same , the act of killing innocents its equally repugnant ... the point i was making and you are choosing to ignore because it doesn't fit the liberal narrative is that the IRA , ETA etc... Had a political grievance , there was an actual physical reason behind those attacks something that could be addressed sat around a table and negotiated , that's how we got the Goodmfriday agreement.

The IRA bombing campaign in the UK is an absolute stain on the history of Ireland and republicanism , but you cannot argue that it was politically not religiously motivated , they didn't bomb Brighton , Manchester , Birmingham etc to kill protestants they did it to try and force the hand of the British government into negotiating a solution to the issues in the North.

Who did we get around a table to call a ceasefire to a fking Jihad ? its a war on a culture a way of life there is no literally no political solution here in terms of negotiating a deal with the other side

There is no excuse for the likes of last night or what the IRA did.

As an Irish person, it made me ashamed to hear interviews with Manchester people on the radio comparing last night to the IRA bombing 21 years ago. It brought back all the horror of what the IRA did to so many innocent people over the years from Kingsmill (which they still deny) to Brighton.

As for the political/religion differential excuse being proffered by the IRA apologists, it is so shallow that it is insulting. Scratch beneath the surface of the political extremists in the North and you will find a bigoted sectarian divide based purely on the religious differences between Catholic and Protestant.

The era of social media and wall-to-wall news has brought these atrocities right into our living-room. Thankfully it means the IRA would never survive in today's world.

Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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