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miece16 · 23-05-2017 09:16AM

Where are the North Korean suicide bombers all over Europe?

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 09:16AM

miece16 wrote:

Where are the North Korean suicide bombers all over Europe?

They are not allowed out

hatrickpatrick · 23-05-2017 09:17AM

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm not sure what your issue is with refugees, but I find it very disturbing.

To be fair, the anti refugee sentiment is understandable. I'm sure there were a lot of English people who were totally opposed to allowing Irish people into the UK during the troubles?

Widdershins · 23-05-2017 09:17AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NewsThisSecond/status/866783886193430528

You would have to wonder what they saw or heard to be fleeing like that.

That's what happens when people panic and all kinds of things can trigger panic, which spreads like wildfire.

Maybe it's an effect of having had a parent who was in the emergency services but I could never understand why people freak out completely and run blindly over one another and cause crushes. The fear is understandable but people could be trained in schools or at home as children so they have something to override that instinct if it ever comes down to it. I also can't understand why there are only ever one or two exits.
I hope that doesn't seem callous, it's just that these things are the preventable part of such tragedies

homerjay2005 · 23-05-2017 09:18AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Bet it turns out that this attacker is British.

have seen several people say this now, does it actually f*cking matter?

If you take a dump and it gets washed up somewhere many many miles away - its still a piece of sh*t and it still stinks.

Nationalities mean absolutely nothing now.

Will I Am Not · 23-05-2017 09:19AM

CeilingFly wrote: »

I think the more liklely scenario is that most of them probably have no idea of Islam and just follow the crowd like sheep. The same with most terrorist "causes". You just need to look on our doorstep in Northern Irealnd where people blindly followed the sinn fein / ira dictat and had no actual understanding of the issue.

I don't think anyone here is in a position to claim that most of them drink and don't even follow Islam. It's another one of those catchphrases for when your side loses...

Parchment · 23-05-2017 09:21AM

Widdershins wrote: »

That's what happens when people panic and all kinds of things can trigger panic, which spreads like wildfire.

Maybe it's an effect of having had a parent who was in the emergency services but I could never understand why people freak out completely and run blindly over one another and cause crushes. The fear is understandable but people could be trained in schools or at home as children so they have something to override that instinct if it ever comes down to it. I also can't understand why there are only ever one or two exits.
I hope that doesn't seem callous, it's just that these things are the preventable part of such tragedies

I get you but flight instinct will override any training. Imagine being there with your kids - you would run and nothing would stop you.

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 09:22AM

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm not sure what your issue is with refugees, but I find it very disturbing.

My issue is not with genuine refugees. My issue is with the people infiltrating these groups to murder innocent Europeans.

Thomas__ · 23-05-2017 09:22AM

bmwguy wrote: »

...__... wrote: »

There has been attacks by Muslims in Europe since the 60's under one guise or another.

Correct. And with a higher death toll than there has been since 2000. It's just we have the media to report 24/7 now. But it's always happened. Lockerbie, Munich Olympics were 2 high profile ones

Munich was in 1972, Lockerbie in 1988. Inbetween was the hijacking of the Landshut (Lufthansa Flight 181) in 1977, Entebbe in 1976. Look at the distances of years that are between them and then look at what happened since 9/11 2001. Radical Palestinians, radical Islamists, all of them mostly from Arabic countries and also Muslims by their faith.

everlast75 · 23-05-2017 09:23AM

Conservative wrote: »

Even in its most "moderate" forms Islam is an ugly and oppressive belief system. Take a listen to the Clonee Imam on Ray D'arcy from a year or so ago to hear what the leaders of Islam in Ireland are willing to say in public with a straight face. It's 2017!!!

The scenes from Syria and elsewhere are heartbreaking to watch but people who live their lives by this horse**** should not be allowed to enter Europe.

By all means go and bomb the **** out of Isis, create safe zones and put pressure on the wealthy (richest countries on earth) to do their bit for their fellow Muslims but under no circumstances would I welcome a single refugee into Ireland or any other EU country.

As for those born and bred in the UK, France etc. internment could be put in place today. Anybody suspected of being involved in radicalism should be imprisoned until it is proved otherwise.

If found guilty - death penalty.

This is the reason why there can't seem to be an informed debate on this difficult topic...

hatrickpatrick · 23-05-2017 09:25AM

Parchment wrote: »

I get you but flight instinct will override any training. Imagine being there with your kids - you would run and nothing would stop you.

This. My father worked as a reporter for RTE for many years and he experienced one or two bombs up close, I believe while covering Northern Ireland. And he's told me that it changed his entire view on everything from "please evacuate calmly" to the derision deserting soldiers faced, accusations of cowardice etc - according to him, a large explosion up close is something that you feel right down to the very atoms of your bones, and you'll have run a thousand miles away from that before your brain is even aware that your legs have started moving, it's a totally primal and instinctive reaction.

If even trained soldiers have difficulty suppressing that basic instinct, civilians who've had a couple of fire drill type lessons in school wouldn't stand a chance. It's just one of those things.

...__... · 23-05-2017 09:27AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It really is that simple. The "they hate our way of life" garbage is American propaganda which was put out very shortly after 9/11, to counter the word of Bin Laden himself who stated very openly that his motivation for attacking America was American support for Israeli expansion since 1967.

Throwing around simplistic explanations for an extremely complicated phenomenon is all well and good, but it's not going to solve anything whatsoever.

Boko harams very meaning is western influence is a sin

Its not "yankee" propaganda its been long out there before 9-11 Osama bin Laden was preaching this in the early 90's.

Thomas__ · 23-05-2017 09:27AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm not sure what your issue is with refugees, but I find it very disturbing.

My issue is not with genuine refugees. My issue is with the people infiltrating these groups to murder innocent Europeans.

Right in the middle of that is the Problem that one can´t tell one from another that easily.

hatrickpatrick · 23-05-2017 09:27AM

Thomas__ wrote: »

Munich was in 1972, Lockerbie in 1988. Inbetween was the hijacking of the Landshut (Lufthansa Flight 181) in 1977, Entebbe in 1976. Look at the distances of years that are between them and then look at what happened since 9/11 2001. Radical Palestinians, radical Islamists, all of them mostly from Arabic countries and also Muslims by their faith.

And are you honestly claiming that all of the aforementioned had a religious angle and were not meant as revenge for an exploitative Western foreign policy towards the Middle East at the time?

listermint · 23-05-2017 09:27AM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Absolutely not true. Check any atrocity during the IRA campaign and then look up the next days newspaper to see immediate condemnations from the leading politicians of the day (both govt and opposition), religious leaders and others.

The lack of similar condemnations from the leaders of Islam is deafening.

Utter drivel you have the same condemnation from Muslim groups in the UK just watch the news.

Thinly veiled them and us under the guise of sure look we used to condemn this sort of stuff aren't we great.

Again watch the news your hiding facts.

crashadder · 23-05-2017 09:28AM

turkey has been hit by isis several times last year. the most recent one being reina, iconic night club in istanbul. I dont really understand the motive here. why UK ? why now ? as much as i hate all religions i dont think its an ideology behind all this.

buried · 23-05-2017 09:29AM

Dangerous times ahead, the fact that Islamic State has lost so much ground in Iraq and Syria they may really escalate the tactic of extreme terrorist attacks in the west, revert back to the methods of al-Qaeda before it, now that they no longer have a state to "run". What is even more dangerous is that there could now be either both cooperation or rivalry between these two fascist terrorist groups, al-Qaeda and IS. al-Qaeda is on the rise again, especially in the complete clusterf**k war disaster in Yemen and has new young leaders raised in absolute war hell. I can see more of this barbarity towards recreational events in the coming summer months i'm afraid

Podge_irl · 23-05-2017 09:29AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

My issue is not with genuine refugees. My issue is with the people infiltrating these groups to murder innocent Europeans.

You may as well suggest shutting off the internet - that appears to be where a lot of the home grown extremist elements are groomed.

Simple solutions to complex problems don't generally work.

ThisRegard · 23-05-2017 09:30AM

Conservative wrote: »

As for those born and bred in the UK, France etc. internment could be put in place today. Anybody suspected of being involved in radicalism should be imprisoned until it is proved otherwise.

If found guilty - death penalty.

Yeah, that worked well in Ireland didn't it.

Thread has become the usual **** fest, unsurprisingly.

Conservative · 23-05-2017 09:31AM

everlast75 wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

Even in its most "moderate" forms Islam is an ugly and oppressive belief system. Take a listen to the Clonee Imam on Ray D'arcy from a year or so ago to hear what the leaders of Islam in Ireland are willing to say in public with a straight face. It's 2017!!!

The scenes from Syria and elsewhere are heartbreaking to watch but people who live their lives by this horse**** should not be allowed to enter Europe.

By all means go and bomb the **** out of Isis, create safe zones and put pressure on the wealthy (richest countries on earth) to do their bit for their fellow Muslims but under no circumstances would I welcome a single refugee into Ireland or any other EU country.

As for those born and bred in the UK, France etc. internment could be put in place today. Anybody suspected of being involved in radicalism should be imprisoned until it is proved otherwise.

If found guilty - death penalty.

This is the reason why there can't seem to be an informed debate on this difficult topic...

There is nothing difficult or complicated about the fact that failed agendas like yours are sleepwalking us into more and more danger.

Less Muslims = less attacks.

listermint · 23-05-2017 09:31AM

Podge_irl wrote: »

You may as well suggest shutting off the internet - that appears to be where a lot of the home grown extremist elements are groomed.

Simple solutions to complex problems don't generally work.

Exactly, and sure if there was no internet where would the pegoda folks go to complain about everything different to themselves

Quazzie · 23-05-2017 09:31AM

Has it been confirmed as an ISIS attack?

hatrickpatrick · 23-05-2017 09:31AM

...__... wrote: »

Boko harams very meaning is western influence is a sin

Its not "yankee" propaganda its been long out there before 9-11 Osama bin Laden was preaching this in the early 90's.

Islamist groups which attack their own countries are a different breed. Those staging attacks in the West are primarily doing so as revenge for Western foreign policy.

Again, if you were an Irish person living in America, and if the potato famine was happening now, and you'd been exposed to report after report on the news while you were growing up about how Britain was callously allowing thousands of Irish people to die while profiting from our exports, can you be 100% sure that you wouldn't have ended up joining a terrorist organisation out of sheer rage? Remember these are often very young people when they start out as well - imagine how 15 year old you would have felt, watching news reports every night about another round of Irish deaths from starvation while our export industry boomed and Brits profited.

No possibility whatsoever that you'd have been blinded by sheer rage and gotten mixed up with a terrorist group?

namloc1980 · 23-05-2017 09:32AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The root problem is the sick ideology that demands attacks like this

These are different attacks and are going to the core of western culture and way of life. A concert in Manchester UK, a Christmas Market in Berlin Germany, a Bastille Day celebration in Nice France, a football match and concert in Paris France. Unlike the people behind politically motivated attacks, there is no negotiating with these animals. Violence is the only language they understand and European leaders must come together to get to them first.

Walter H Price · 23-05-2017 09:34AM

I think what i found most unsettling about last night, was how just not shocked i was , sickened yes and saddened for the victims both the deceased and injured, their families friends etc... but not shocked , it was like it was always coming.

From the night with the Bataclan and the attempted bombing of the France Germany game it was clear that big events concerts , sports events etc... were targets, it was only a matter of time really before one slipped though , it was a horrible feeling ... these attacks simply can not become the accepted norm. As a civilized and for the most part secular society ,we can not allow it.

This has noting to do with war , Who have the Swedes bombed recently ? how many refugees have they welcomed ? This is an attack on our Western culture and values by a regressive repressive and violent (yes violent) faith, and before i'm called out for being "Islamophobic" , it simply cannot be argued that the texts of any Abrahamic religion (Christianity , Islam ,Judaism ) are not violent , divisive and discriminatory.

This is not the IRA in the 80's , It's not ETA , it's not the Chechens, the bombs and the mayhem is the same but there is no political motivation here , no leader no grounds for negotiation to end it ... This is Jihad, a holy war , straight out of the middle ages. we will need to leave our sensibility's and fear of offending to one side in order to fully address the issue of radical Islamic violence.

Shurimgreat · 23-05-2017 09:35AM

crashadder wrote: »

turkey has been hit by isis several times last year. the most recent one being reina, iconic night club in istanbul. I dont really understand the motive here. why UK ? why now ? as much as i hate all religions i dont think its an ideology behind all this.

I'm guessing because of some misguided belief they will go to heaven where 72 virgins await, because they disagree with UK foreign policy, along with a religion whose main prophet regularly promoted, condoned and practised violence as well as the desire for 15 minutes of fame and possibly an element of mental health issues. Most of these suicide bombers seem to have similar personalities.

murpho999 · 23-05-2017 09:36AM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

RTE have Declan Power telling us all about the "modus operandi" and how they used nuts and bolts in the attack. Really inappropriate, and he really never brings anything of any use to the discussion. He should take his Sesame Street voice and just f**k off for once.

Enda live on RTE Radio One now.

Sorry but all news outlets are talking about a nail bomb so I don't see what's inappropriate about it.

Just seems like a chance to knock RTE.

muppetshow · 23-05-2017 09:36AM

Whats the excuse this time in the leftie liberal media?A lonewolf with criminal record,a drug addict,a mental case,or maybe just a muslim that read the Quran wrong again.

BPKS · 23-05-2017 09:36AM

Walter H Price wrote: »

I think what i found most unsettling about last night, was how just not shocked i was , sickened yes and saddened for the victims both the deceased and injured, their families friends etc... but not shocked , it was like it was always coming.

From the night with the Bataclan and the attempted bombing of the France Germany game it was clear that big events concerts , sports events etc... were targets, it was only a matter of time really before one slipped though , it was a horrible feeling ... these attacks simply can not become the accepted norm. As a civilized and for the most part secular society ,we can not allow it.

This has noting to do with war , Who have the Swedes bombed recently ? how many refugees have they welcomed ? This is an attack on our Western culture and values by a regressive repressive and violent (yes violent) faith, and before i'm called out for being "Islamophobic" , it simply cannot be argued that the texts of any Abrahamic religion (Christianity , Islam ,Judaism ) are not violent , divisive and discriminatory.

This is not the IRA in the 80's , It's not ETA , it's not the Chechens, the bombs and the mayhem is the same but there is no political motivation here , no leader no grounds for negotiation to end it ... This is Jihad, a holy war , straight out of the middle ages. we will need to leave our sensibility's and fear of offending to one side in order to fully address the issue of radical Islamic violence.

Not even 21 years ago, the IRA detonated a huge bomb not 200 metres from last nights attack. Try not to re-write history.

tomwaterford · 23-05-2017 09:37AM

crashadder wrote: »

turkey has been hit by isis several times last year. the most recent one being reina, iconic night club in istanbul. I dont really understand the motive here. why UK ? why now ? as much as i hate all religions i dont think its an ideology behind all this.

General election in few weeks in the UK. ...possibly put middle east/future policies there back on track agenda

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