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Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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  • #632
    dodderangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,203 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Yes they are both in the category of being religions.
    Because they are.....religions.

    There is religion and there is terrorist groups. I see Islam as more of a cult than a religion.


  • #633
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Would you say the majority of people in Europe are bigots?

    I'd say there's an education divide, but don't rely on me, rely on your own link.
    Our findings also reveal how, across Europe, opposition to Muslim immigration is especially intense among retired, older age cohorts while those aged below 30 are notably less opposed. There is also a clear education divide. Of those with secondary level qualifications, 59% opposed further Muslim immigration. By contrast, less than half of all degree holders supported further migration curbs.


  • #634
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103593129&postcount=452

    There was people killed in March. That was 2 months ago, FYI.

    You really struggle with basic reading comprehension.

    I said there wasn't a "major terrorist attack" in the UK since 2005.

    A "major terrorist attack" is dozens of fatalities like 7/7 and tonight.


  • #635
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    punk_one82 wrote: »
    Yes, and some people here believe all muslims should be banned from somewhere (Ireland, UK, Europe?) because some people carry out awful acts in the name of Islam and IRA bombings were different because they weren't in the name of religion. They bombed in the name of a united Ireland, yet there's no calls for banning people who believe in a united Ireland. Banning muslims from our countries because a tiny subset of them do terrible things in the name of Islam is retarded.

    If all muslims felt like these attacks were necessary and their religion said they should be carried out then you'd have a point, but the fact of the matter is that's so far off the mark.

    Then quote the people who said all muslims should be banned and not me.

    Another bs argument magic'd up out of nowhere.


  • #636
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    I'd say there's an education divide, but don't rely on me, rely on your own link.

    Do you think it's a problem half of UK Muslims want Homosexuality to be illegal, and 25% want Sharia law?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

    Ignorance or not, there is a culture clash. FWIW I don't think an outright Muslim ban will solve the problem.


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  • #637
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    You really struggle with basic reading comprehension.

    I said there wasn't a "major terrorist attack" in the UK since 2005.

    A "major terrorist attack" is dozens of fatalities like 7/7 and tonight.

    Your struggling with being polite.
    Westminister was not major enough for you?
    Lads running over people in the street in a car an everyday thing.
    Cop yourself on.


  • #638
    punk_one82
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭punk_one82


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Then quote the people who said all muslims should be banned and not me.

    Another bs argument magic'd up out of nowhere.

    Pretty sure you quoted me when I was responding to someone else, but we won't get facts get in the way of anything in here. A bs argument? Just pointing out how stupid this whole "ban everyone because someone did something" attitude is.


  • #639
    njs030
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    Romantic Rose wrote: »
    Is the average 18 year Irish male a practising Catholic? No. Their Muslim counterpart is brainwashed by their religion. I'm not blind, I see this everyday. Maybe you don't have a job where you need to see these things but I do.

    Your post makes no sense.


  • #640
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    punk_one82 wrote: »
    Pretty sure you quoted me when I was responding to someone else, but we won't get facts get in the way of anything in here. A bs argument? Just pointing out how stupid this whole "ban everyone because someone did something" attitude is.

    I replied to what you said,thats why i quoted you.
    your replying to me about others saying ban all muslims...i didnt say that.


  • #641
    spoonerhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭spoonerhead


    punk_one82 wrote: »
    Pretty sure you quoted me when I was responding to someone else, but we won't get facts get in the way of anything in here. A bs argument? Just pointing out how stupid this whole "ban everyone because someone did something" attitude is.

    I was the one who said that


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  • #642
    Free-2-Flow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Free-2-Flow


    kona wrote:
    Drop a few million pounds worth of explosives onto these rat bastards friends.


    Isn't that what got us here in the 1st place?


  • #643
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    spoonerhead wrote: »
    I was the one who said that

    Good man(person:o)...fair play stepping up...I dont agree but I think all Islamic churches should be viewed with the same suspicion that the catholic ones got when the pedo scandals surfaced.
    Watch them all like a hawk,step out of line and crack down hard.


  • #644
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    At least 20 are dead, likely mostly children, not to mention hundreds if not thousands of young kids will be traumatised by the experience, potentially leaving long-lasting scars.

    It's clearly not enough for us to just feel empathy for them, it immediately has to be straight on to recriminations and blame.

    You're going to have far-left weirdos online now saying this is a false flag attack by right-wingers.

    You're going to have far-right weirdos online saying deport all Muslims, even the ones born in the UK.

    While they are all arguing over that nonsense, the families are arriving at hospitals and morgues to identify their little girls who are never coming home again.

    Let's just have them in our thoughts.


  • #645
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Your struggling with being polite.
    Westminister was not major enough for you?
    Lads running over people in the street in a car an everyday thing.
    Cop yourself on.

    Michael Weiss and other security experts have said that the Westminster attack was a disappointing one from the ISIS perspective due to the low amount of fatalities and that this is the first successful attack since 2005.


  • #646
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    The explosion from inside the Arena
    https://twitter.com/elliefreyax/status/866830824561414145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fliveupdate%2Fyz4k8674h837%2FLiveUpdate_506fdb4a-3f5b-11e7-810b-0ea750b232ea%2F0

    And another video of people trying to get out
    https://twitter.com/Carlotta__Evans/status/866838451274088453


  • #647
    spoonerhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭spoonerhead


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Good man(person:o)...fair play stepping up...I dont agree but I think all Islamic churches should be viewed with the same suspicion that the catholic ones got when the pedo scandals surfaced.
    Watch them all like a hawk,step out of line and crack down hard.

    I think we are on the same page that we should watch these guys closely! :) Painfull seeing 19 innocent lives which brings out my emotions, but I always respect not everyone will think like me


  • #648
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Do you think it's a problem half of UK Muslims want Homosexuality to be illegal, and 25% want Sharia law?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

    Ignorance or not, there is a culture clash. FWIW I don't think an outright Muslim ban will solve the problem.

    Of course I think it's a problem, that's why I'm very much in favour of individual rights including free speech, not matter how stupid one's opinion on Sharia Law or Homosexuality. If the Catholic Church and Irish public opinion has shown us anything it's that views can change quite quickly through education.

    I also think that people have to realise they need to assimilate to the prevailing liberal culture and values in the UK and Ireland, I don't dispute that. I dispute that we have anyway of controlling that at the border, more than we already do and that any sort of ban on people fleeing warzones based on nothing more than their gut feeling is anyway to be a decent human being.

    But again, from your own link:
    Extensive polling conducted by ICM suggests that in most cases attitudes held by the British Muslim population do not broadly differ from those held by the population at large, but there are significant differences when it comes to some issues such as homosexuality and women’s rights.

    I'd be very interested to know the proportion of those opposed to immigration entirely or almost entirely would have what I would consider extreme views on homosexuality and criminal law and how many of the males are particularly in touch with women's rights.


  • #649
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    At least 20 are dead, likely mostly children, not to mention hundreds if not thousands of young kids will be traumatised by the experience, potentially leaving long-lasting scars.

    It's clearly not enough for us to just feel empathy for them, it immediately has to be straight on to recriminations and blame.

    You're going to have far-left weirdos online now saying this is a false flag attack by right-wingers.

    You're going to have far-right weirdos online saying deport all Muslims, even the ones born in the UK.

    While they are all arguing over that nonsense, the families are arriving at hospitals and morgues to identify their little girls who are never coming home again.

    Let's just have them in our thoughts.

    You get a prize for Most Disingenuous Post of the Night.


  • #650
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    I'm going to bow out and +1 on Wonderfullife's sentiments on having the families in out thoughts.

    I just hope that we don't see reprisal attacks on innocent people and that people try and keep an open mind. The collateral discord is exactly what these groups are looking for and it only serves to help them in the long run.


  • #651
    TOss Sweep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    Romantic Rose wrote: »
    Is the average 18 year Irish male a practising Catholic? No. Their Muslim counterpart is brainwashed by their religion. I'm not blind, I see this everyday. Maybe you don't have a job where you need to see these things but I do.

    This is absolute nonsense. I work with and live around plenty of Muslims and I wouldn't call any of them brainwashed or anti Women or Extremists. Your posts are nothing more than bigoted sweeping generalisations of a whole religion.

    If you honestly think closing off the borders is going the make the bombings and killings stop around the world you are living in a bubble of ignorance.


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  • #652
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    You get a prize for Most Disingenuous Post of the Night.

    That's the best you got?

    CNN right now have the mother of a missing child crying her eyes out on the phone.

    All you have is snark?

    My post was genuine. I feel terribly sorry for everyone involved.


  • #653
    511
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭511


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    I'd say there's an education divide, but don't rely on me, rely on your own link.

    The less-educated Europeans are the ones who have to live in and around Muslim ghettos.


  • #654
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    My post was genuine. I feel terribly sorry for everyone involved.

    I'm sure you do.

    That's why you've filled the thread with passive-aggressive slurs against anyone with a different opinion to you. That's your caring side coming out :rolleyes:


  • #655
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    I'm sure you do.

    That's why you've filled the thread with passive-aggressive slurs against anyone with a different opinion to you. That's your caring side coming out :rolleyes:

    You're pathetic.


  • #656
    AllForIt
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    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    I'm going to bow out and +1 on Wonderfullife's sentiments on having the families in out thoughts.

    I just hope that we don't see reprisal attacks on innocent people and that people try and keep an open mind. The collateral discord is exactly what these groups are looking for and it only serves to help them in the long run.

    I don't buy this 'collateral discord' consequence you speak of anymore. If one imagines that that that was the intent then they must be nuts to think this atrocity would bring about a situation where the UK suddenly accepts or rethinks Islamic values.

    Rather I think it is a mindless act borne out of frustration for the lack of acceptance of the more strict Muslim views and nothing more.

    If the moderate Muslim community in the UK stick to their stringent views publicly and don't denounce this atrocity, not only the atrocity itself, but the motivation behind it, then these kinds of attacks will continue.


  • #657
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    https://twitter.com/ArianaGrande/status/866849021519966208


  • #658
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,663 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I've only really had a chance to look at the news there now. One video showed a load of young people screaming and running down some stairs into what looked like a train station? It struck me that the adults waiting at the bottom of the stairs didn't run, and then I realized it's probably because they are parents waiting to meet their kids. They aren't going to leave them :(

    My heart goes out to anyone waiting to hear news of loved ones


  • #659
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,380 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I've only really had a chance to look at the news there now. One video showed a load of young people screaming and running down some stairs into what looked like a train station? It struck me that the adults waiting at the bottom of the stairs didn't run, and then I realized it's probably because they are parents waiting to meet their kids. They aren't going to leave them :(

    My heart goes out to anyone waiting to hear news of loved ones

    No, that is actually inside the Manchester Arena : they are running down the stairs from the main arena into the outside area.

    Apparently many youngsters watched the concert unaccompanied and had their parents waiting outside to collect them which is what you are watching.


  • #660
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    So gutted to hear it.My heart goes out to Manchester and all affected.


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  • #661
    Outlaw Pete
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    Appears that they may have tried to enter with the hope of setting of the explosions inside but perhaps were refused and so waited at the doors for the concert to finish instead.

    This will change security at these concerts forever now as I doubt anyone will be let near the exists from this day forward. I have noticed this myself at gigs in the 3 Arena, that 5 mins or so from the end anyone can walk into the gigs as they just throw open the exists once a significant number of people start leaving.

    Thank Christ they didn't get in as there surely would have been many more casualties had they done so.


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