Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

Samuel T. Cogley

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Evil Evil Evil f**kers. I'm just so shocked and angered to the core. It's been a long time since I felt this sheer shock and stir of emotion.

I hope this is the last time. I'm fed up of this ****. We have opened our gates wide open in the last 10 years. Are we going to continue this for the next 10, 20, 30 years. So many people here who we don't have a clue about. Unvetted scum.

I'm willing to give you odds this guy was a British as you are or had significant ties already. Unless you're talking about the situation in Ireland?

Free-2-Flow

They do use explosives for Controlled explosions.

They are called Shape Charges

gitzy16v

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

They're not though according to the vast majority of followers. The vast majority of Christians would not accept that the KKK are true Christians.

This is all semantics anyway some people's God delusion makes them pitch up to mass every Sunday and try and give up chocolate once a year, others blow themselves and/or others up. One can say I'm following the true word of God all they like, it's the same God and trying to tar everyone with the same brush or suggesting that just because someone is a Muslim they must have know something is ridiculous.

I've very little experience with Muslim communities in Ireland. They seem fairly insular to me, but in the South East of England Muslim communities are no different from a myriad of other communities around the place other than their own moderate idiosyncrasies.

I think we agree just in a roundabout way:)
I dont agree with the extreme elements of Islam or Christianity and Im sure most Muslims and Christians feel the same.

Hank Scorpio

Date probably isn't a coincidence

https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/866818789110927360

PTH2009

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Meaning?

Stupid pref text

A guy walked up too security and was shouting. Full view could be seen on camera

GT_TDI_150

There was a comment earlier on here to the effect of ... was in manchester 9 yèars ago. Lucky escape...

While i know its aimed as a dig at people that post that they recently were in a place where something awful has now happèned. With the point being it didnt happen while u where there.

It still shakes you up.

Me, my wife and our 2 kids sat in zaventem airport departures hall for 3hrs. Our little one was wrecked and whinging so we found a spot to sit and watch people go by (and plenty of armed army and police).

7days later i woke up to my whone buzzing with news reports off the bombs in zaventem. It shook me as i had been there a week earlier.

What really got me was the video footage and pictures. One of the bombs went off exactly where we had sat down with the kids. The cafè we were looking at only 20ft away had very distinct ceiling ornament... some of ther forst pics were of this restaurant/cafe....

I know i missef it by a week but you do feel a sense of it could have been us and no way would the kids have survived... ànd probably not me and my wife...

But 7days... thankfully i passed through 7days earlier than they did!

Samuel T. Cogley

gitzy16v wrote: »

I think we agree just in a roundabout way:)
I dont agree with the extreme elements of Islam or Christianity and Im sure most Muslims and Christians feel the same.

Aye I think we do. I've confused the situation with my own person and not very well explained musings, apologies.

spoonerhead

I'd vote for a party in the next election if they promised to ban Islam

Gamebred

spoonerhead wrote: »

I'd vote for a party in the next election if they promised to ban Islam

Ban all religion, catholic child abusers must go too, will never happen.

punk_one82

spoonerhead wrote: »

I'd vote for a party in the next election if they promised to ban Islam

I'd vote for a party in the next election if they promised to ban morons.

Samuel T. Cogley

Romantic Rose wrote: »

British of what original descent? Of what ideology? Same ole same ole.

Let's not try and get too clever here. Pretty much everyone in England is an immigrant, and very, very few terrorists are recent asylum seekers or refugees which I assumed is what you were suggesting. If not I apologise for taking you up wrong, perhaps you'd care to clarify?

gitzy16v

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

There was a comment earlier on here to the effect of ... was in manchester 9 yèars ago. Lucky escape...

While i know its aimed as a dig at people that post that they recently were in a place where something awful has now happèned. With the point being it didnt happen while u where there.

It still shakes you up.

Me, my wife and our 2 kids sat in zaventem airport departures hall for 3hrs. Our little one was wrecked and whinging so we found a spot to sit and watch people go by (and plenty of armed army and police).

7days later i woke up to my whone buzzing with news reports off the bombs in zaventem. It shook me as i had been there a week earlier.

What really got me was the video footage and pictures. One of the bombs went off exactly where we had sat down with the kids. The cafè we were looking at only 20ft away had very distinct ceiling ornament... some of ther forst pics were of this restaurant/cafe....

I know i missef it by a week but you do feel a sense of it could have been us and no way would the kids have survived... ànd probably not me and my wife...

But 7days... thankfully i passed through 7days earlier than they did!

exact same thing happened on my first holiday with my parents...24 hrs after we left Majorca ETA bombed the airport we left from,right in the area we were seated in waiting for our flight:eek:

PTH2009

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

There was a comment earlier on here to the effect of ... was in manchester 9 yèars ago. Lucky escape...

While i know its aimed as a dig at people that post that they recently were in a place where something awful has now happèned. With the point being it didnt happen while u where there.

It still shakes you up.

Me, my wife and our 2 kids sat in zaventem airport departures hall for 3hrs. Our little one was wrecked and whinging so we found a spot to sit and watch people go by (and plenty of armed army and police).

7days later i woke up to my whone buzzing with news reports off the bombs in zaventem. It shook me as i had been there a week earlier.

What really got me was the video footage and pictures. One of the bombs went off exactly where we had sat down with the kids. The cafè we were looking at only 20ft away had very distinct ceiling ornament... some of ther forst pics were of this restaurant/cafe....

I know i missef it by a week but you do feel a sense of it could have been us and no way would the kids have survived... ànd probably not me and my wife...

But 7days... thankfully i passed through 7days earlier than they did!

Was in the arena in November 2015 but I get what ur saying it's very eery seeing like this happening in a place that you visited

Donald Trump

spoonerhead wrote: »

I'd vote for a party in the next election if they promised to ban Islam

The people who planned and executed this attack would be happy to hear that. They have achieved their target with you

Samuel T. Cogley

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Let's not try and get too clever here. Pretty much everyone in England is an immigrant, and very, very few terrorists are recent asylum seekers or refugees which I assumed is what you were suggesting. If not I apologise for taking you up wrong, perhaps you'd care to clarify?

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Ditto and a lot of cleansing.

Never mind.

major bill

Some of the tweets on twitter are heartbreaking, people tweeting pictures of kids that haven't being heard from!! what must be going through the parents heads

Romantic Rose

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Let's not try and get too clever here. Pretty much everyone in England is an immigrant, and very, very few terrorists are recent asylum seekers or refugees which I assumed is what you were suggesting. If not I apologise for taking you up wrong, perhaps you'd care to clarify?

Are you serious? They were still cut from the same cloth so to speak and yes some of them were very recent entrants. I'm just f*cking fed up of the excuses.

spoonerhead

Donald Trump wrote: »

The people who planned and executed this attack would be happy to hear that. They have achieved their target with you

I have to say, Donald, I imagined you would be more supportive of my idea's

ceadaoin.

According to CNN a male at the scene has been identified as a probable suicide bomber. It seems weird that all this info is coming from "US Officials"

Samuel T. Cogley

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Are you serious? They were still cut from the same cloth so to speak and yes some of them were very recent entrants. I'm just f*cking fed up of the excuses.

The excuses are what's standing between a democratic society under attack and one that's not much better of than it's enemy in many cases. The vast majority of refugees are simply trying to avoid what happened tonight happening to their families.

If you manage to stop all immigration, deport anyone who's not Norman or Anglo-Saxon you'll still find some ginger haired, pale skinned, clean shaven nutter to do something like this if you look hard enough.

BlaasForRafa

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Let's not try and get too clever here. Pretty much everyone in England is an immigrant, and very, very few terrorists are recent asylum seekers or refugees which I assumed is what you were suggesting.

I'm guessing it probably wasn't someone of Jute or Huguenot descent who perpetrated this.

Junkyard Tom

LexieOnRale wrote: »

the west sit back, allow kids be blown up at a concert and do nothing incase they may be seen as intolerant to multi culturism and diversity.

You're saying that people 'allow[ed] kids be blown up' because they didn't want to be viewed as intolerant?

That sounds a bit nuts.

wonderfullife

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Syria aren't blowing up kids at a concert or driving a truck through Christmas markets. Those scumbags are usually from the country they're terrorising, known to police but are free to roam around until they kill people

What on earth are you on about???

55,000 children have died in Syria in the past 5 years. Currently 20 kids have died tonight.

Here's an idea for you - Instead of making this all about the big bad scary brown people killing innocent white people and the false equivalanencies that go with it, how about feeling terribly sorry for every child who dies at the result of violence?

55,000 children have been killed in Syria by the "bad brown people" too.

The amount of ignorant nonsense being spouted on this thread is crazy. Everyone knows there's a problem with radicalized Islamic terror and Western authorities do their absolute best to snuff out every terrorist threat they can.

Half of you tools would be turning off your phones and computers if this turned out to be a right-wing nutjob having done this.

Just give it a rest attributing blame looking to score points.

Mountainsandh

Donald Trump wrote: »

The people who planned and executed this attack would be happy to hear that. They have achieved their target with you

Thing is, about your stance, what's the alternative ?
I don't think banning Islam is the answer either, for the record.

But I don't think protecting all Muslims and offering support/burying our heads in the sand are solutions either. Projecting love, love love not working out so well.

gitzy16v

wonderfullife wrote: »

What on earth are you on about???

55,000 children have died in Syria in the past 5 years. Currently 20 kids have died tonight.

Here's an idea for you - Instead of making this all about the big bad scary brown people killing innocent white people and the false equivalanencies that go with it, how about feeling terribly sorry for every child who dies at the result of violence?

55,000 children have been killed in Syria by the "bad brown people" too.

The amount of ignorant nonsense being spouted on this thread is crazy. Everyone knows there's a problem with radicalized Islamic terror and Western authorities do their absolute best to snuff out every terrorist threat they can.

Half of you tools would be turning off your phones and computers if this turned out to be a right-wing nutjob having done this.

Just give it a rest attributing blame looking to score points.

Every post youve made has referenced right wing....stop looking for your own internet points.

Romantic Rose

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You're saying that people 'allow[ed] kids to be blown up' because they didn't want to be viewed as intolerant?

That sounds a bit nuts.

We're not exacting bolting the Golden Gates of Europe either are we.

Mutant z

What excuses will the pc brigade be making about these atrocities.

Samuel T. Cogley

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Thing is, about your stance, what's the alternative ?
I don't think banning Islam is the answer either, for the record.

But I don't think protecting all Muslims and offering support/burying our heads in the sand are solutions either. Projecting love, love love not working out so well.

That's an interesting point of view and perhaps getting a little existential now but is the alternative any better? When we've rounded up all the practising Muslims do we start on everyone with a beard, then everyone who reads a certain book and then were do we go. I'm not trying to troll or wind people up here and I know people are angry, but with all the resources at hand today, in a fairly experienced country when it comes to security this still happened - I'd curious to know what these alternatives are.

I'm all for the move to a secular society - but surely banning things has a proven track record of failing spectacularly at this point.

wonderfullife

gitzy16v wrote: »

Every post youve made has referenced right wing....stop looking for your own internet points.

I don't give a monkeys who did this. Islamic Terror, right-wing terrorist, lunatic with a grudge against Ariana Grande.

Children are dead and people are using it to spout far-right white-culture nonsense. Ditto if anyone wants to spout nonsense on the other political spectrum.

Just leave it out.

gitzy16v

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Thing is, about your stance, what's the alternative ?
I don't think banning Islam is the answer either, for the record.

But I don't think protecting all Muslims and offering support/burying our heads in the sand are solutions either. Projecting love, love love not working out so well.

in Ireland weve finally shaken off the shackles of the catholic church and now they are open to ridicule and criticism...I think the time has come to look at other religions in the same light and not be branded "racist or islamaphobe".
like youve said weve tried love...weve tried acceptance and its being flung back in our faces.
Islam deserves to be criticised the same as any religion...Ive no idea why its so protected