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Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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  • #602
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    spoonerhead wrote: »
    What I want is freedom, freedom to go to a concert and enjoy your music, the ability to live your life and allow others to live theirs.

    Just not freedom to peacefully practice a religion, like the vast majority of Muslims do. Given the lengths people have gone to in the past (in this country, for example) for the right to practice their religious beliefs, I can't help wondering if prohibition of Islam might result in radicalisation on a scale never seen before.


  • #603
    Outlaw Pete
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    punk_one82 wrote: »
    Islam is as much to blame for these attacks as Catholicism was to blame for the IRA bombings during the troubles.

    Nonsense. No member of the IRA ever claimed they were bombing or killing in the name of Catholicism or Christianity... let alone believed they were doing the work of Jesus. Religion was more a common denominator of the differing fractions.... that's not the case here at all. These people (even if only a minority of Muslims) are acting on their literal interpretations of certain Quranic verses.

    For that reason I believe that Muslims (the ones who claim they do not support these attacks) need to be part of defeating ISIS (and other similar groups) as their silence is most likely being interrupted by the fundamentalists as support. If Muslims love their religion and see the Quran as their holy book, then they should stand up and condemn those killing in the name of it... en masse, otherwise western society too will start interrupting their silence as support.


  • #604
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    The IRA had a point and a specific goal and were always open to negotiation.

    Islamic extremism doesn't have anything but just hated driven by ideology. These days the IRA look like saints in comparison because they used to phone up to say where their bombs were.
    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Yeah, well that's a complete load of ****e. A kid killer is a kid killer.
    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    A murderer is the same in any guise.

    in fairness the post has to be taken in context....
    Islam has no negotiation,its their way or death.
    No in between.

    Edit: Extreme Islam,sorry


  • #605
    punk_one82
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭punk_one82


    Romantic Rose wrote: »
    Islam is an ideology which views me as an unequal. It's not that hard to understand. Unfortunately I have to experience this with my job. This is what living with Islam is like.

    It's hard to understand when you're spouting complete and utter tripe. Ban all muslims from Ireland so you can live in a society that views men and women as equals. Sorry but living in close proximity to practising muslims doesn't mean you live under Sharia law.


  • #606
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Romantic Rose wrote: »
    Islam is an ideology which views me as an unequal. It's not that hard to understand. Unfortunately I have to experience this with my job. This is what living with Islam is like.

    Christianity views you as unequal. The Irish Constitution views your place as in the home.


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  • #607
    njs030
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    Romantic Rose wrote: »
    Islam is an ideology which views me as an unequal. It's not that hard to understand. Unfortunately I have to experience this with my job. This is what living with Islam is like.

    Islam is a religion the same as being catholic and neither think too highly of women.


  • #608
    spoonerhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭spoonerhead


    RayM wrote: »
    Just not freedom to peacefully practice a religion, like the vast majority of Muslims do. Given the lengths people have gone to in the past (in this country, for example) for the right to practice their religious beliefs, I can't help wondering if prohibition of Islam might result in radicalisation on a scale never seen before.

    I take your point Ray, but to what extent should we tolerate the intolerant?


  • #609
    Samuel T. Cogley
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    gitzy16v wrote: »
    in fairness the post has to be taken in context....
    Islam has no negotiation,its their way or death.
    No in between.

    Edit: Extreme Islam,sorry

    In fairness no it doesn't no terrorist can be viewed as saints or even justified when they bomb innocent civilians out minding their own business. They were ****ing cowards that deserved to die in prison and the same goes for the cnuts on the otherside AND the asshats in the British army that fired on civilians.


  • #610
    Romantic Rose
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    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Islam is a religion the same as being catholic and neither think too highly of women.

    Exactly, so why invite more of the same in. Repeat the same cycle of **** again.


  • #611
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Romantic Rose wrote: »
    Exactly, so why invite more of the same in. Repeat the same cycle of **** again.

    I honestly can't work out if you're trolling, angry or just this much or a moronic bigot with a world view about as far as the end of your road.


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  • #612
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    In fairness no it doesn't no terrorist can be viewed as saints or even justified when they bomb innocent civilians out minding their own business. They were ****ing cowards that deserved to die in prison and the same goes for the cnuts on the otherside AND the asshats in the British army that fired on civilians.

    Oh yes,i dont believe they are saints at all.
    Just that they could be negotiated with.
    They gave warnings,they didnt want to kill but would if they had to.
    Now thats no better than any other terrorists but its a better enemy to deal with than the ones we have now,who there is no negotiating with and whos only purpose is to kill everyone who doesnt adhere to their beliefs.


  • #613
    njs030
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    Romantic Rose wrote: »
    Exactly, so why invite more of the same in. Repeat the same cycle of **** again.

    Exactly what? Stop baptising children? Tell people to give up the catholic church because it looks down on women?


  • #614
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Where have I blamed all Muslims? I honestly think you have a problem with comprehension, you pick a post and rant on and on about something I have never said.
    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Lets not kid ourselves. They're at war with the west while the west sit back, allow kids be blown up at a concert and do nothing incase they may be seen as intolerant to multi culturism and diversity. I have no idea what they need to do, but there's kids tonight who won't get home, for what? Having the audacity to go to a concert and enjoy themselves??

    I think you have a problem with your brain.

    You just type out endless contradictory waffle and then backtrack.

    Who's at "war with the west"? Muslims? And we "do nothing" so we won't be seen as "intolerant to multi-culturism".


  • #615
    dodderangler
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    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Islam is a religion the same as being catholic and neither think too highly of women.

    Is that a joke or something? Putting Catholics in same category as a religion that promotes marrying children, beating the women legally and to kill all opposing religions?
    Go way would ya.


  • #616
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    I think you have a problem with your brain.

    You just type out endless contradictory waffle and then backtrack.

    Who's at "war with the west"? Muslims? And we "do nothing" so we won't be seen as "intolerant to multi-culturism".

    Extreme Islam.


  • #617
    punk_one82
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    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Nonsense. No member of the IRA ever claimed they were bombing or killing in the name of Catholicism or Christianity... let alone believed they were doing the work of Jesus.

    So what were they bombing innocent people in the name of, and why has there not been calls for that to be banned?


  • #618
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    dodderangler wrote: »
    Is that a joke or something? Putting Catholics in same category as a religion that promotes marrying children, beating the women legally and to kill all opposing religions?
    Go way would ya.

    Eh, that's EXACTLY where it belongs. Have you read your holy book?


  • #619
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    punk_one82 wrote: »
    So what were they bombing innocent people in the name of, and why has there not been calls for that to be banned?

    Stupid question.
    United Ireland.


  • #620
    punk_one82
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭punk_one82


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Stupid question.
    United Ireland.

    So anyone who believes in a United Ireland should be banned from....?


  • #621
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    wonderfullife wrote: »
    I think you have a problem with your brain.

    You just type out endless contradictory waffle and then backtrack.

    Who's at "war with the west"? Muslims? And we "do nothing" so we won't be seen as "intolerant to multi-culturism".
    Islamic extremists.


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  • #622
    njs030
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    dodderangler wrote: »
    Is that a joke or something? Putting Catholics in same category as a religion that promotes marrying children, beating the women legally and to kill all opposing religions?
    Go way would ya.

    Yes they are both in the category of being religions.
    Because they are.....religions.


  • #623
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    What a ****ing dirty scummy thing to do.

    I hope they do a few things.

    Drop a few million pounds worth of explosives onto these rat bastards friends.

    They set up a few death squads and go execute the durty ****ers hiding around europe.


  • #624
    Hank Scorpio
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    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    I honestly can't work out if you're trolling, angry or just this much or a moronic bigot with a world view about as far as the end of your road.

    Would you say the majority of people in Europe are bigots?

    https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/what-do-europeans-think-about-muslim-immigration

    http://imgur.com/JvCnuwy

    JvCnuwy.png


  • #625
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    punk_one82 wrote: »
    So anyone who believes in a United Ireland should be banned from....?

    Banned from what?
    Thats what the IRA wanted...United Ireland.


  • #626
    wonderfullife
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    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Islamic extremists.

    They're not just at war with the west. They mostly kill other Muslims. They're fruitcakes. They don't care who they kill.

    Your main point is that the authorities need to do more.

    There wasn't a major terrorist attack in the UK since 2005. That's phenomenal hard work by police and intelligence communities during that period.

    I don't know what more you want them to do.


  • #627
    Romantic Rose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭Romantic Rose


    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Exactly what? Stop baptising children? Tell people to give up the catholic church because it looks down on women?

    Is the average 18 year Irish male a practising Catholic? No. Their Muslim counterpart is brainwashed by their religion. I'm not blind, I see this everyday. Maybe you don't have a job where you need to see these things but I do.


  • #628
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    wonderfullife wrote: »
    They're not just at war with the west. They mostly kill other Muslims. They're fruitcakes. They don't care who they kill.

    Your main point is that the authorities need to do more.

    There wasn't a major terrorist attack in the UK since 2005. That's phenomenal hard work by police and intelligence communities during that period.

    I don't know what more you want them to do.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103593129&postcount=452

    There was people killed in March. That was 2 months ago, FYI.
    I want kids to be able to go to a music concert and come home safely.
    I want people not to be on edge or fear for their lives if they hear a loud bang. Europe is on edge and can you blame them


  • #629
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    spoonerhead wrote: »
    I take your point Ray, but to what extent should we tolerate the intolerant?

    Intolerance usually breeds more intolerance. Like everyone else here, I have no answers, but lashing out at innocent Muslims doesn't sound like something that would end well for anyone, except the extremists.


  • #630
    punk_one82
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    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Banned from what?
    Thats what the IRA wanted...United Ireland.

    Yes, and some people here believe all muslims should be banned from somewhere (Ireland, UK, Europe?) because some people carry out awful acts in the name of Islam and IRA bombings were different because they weren't in the name of religion. They bombed in the name of a united Ireland, yet there's no calls for banning people who believe in a united Ireland. Banning muslims from our countries because a tiny subset of them do terrible things in the name of Islam is retarded.

    If all muslims felt like these attacks were necessary and their religion said they should be carried out then you'd have a point, but the fact of the matter is that's so far off the mark.


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  • #631
    Junkyard Tom
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    kona wrote: »
    Drop a few million pounds worth of explosives onto these rat bastards friends.

    In Bolton?

    That's gonna work a treat alright, god love ye.


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