Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 23-05-2017 02:38AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

What on earth are you on about???

55,000 children have died in Syria in the past 5 years. Currently 20 kids have died tonight.

Here's an idea for you - Instead of making this all about the big bad scary brown people killing innocent white people and the false equivalanencies that go with it, how about feeling terribly sorry for every child who dies at the result of violence?

55,000 children have been killed in Syria by the "bad brown people" too.

The amount of ignorant nonsense being spouted on this thread is crazy. Everyone knows there's a problem with radicalized Islamic terror and Western authorities do their absolute best to snuff out every terrorist threat they can.

Half of you tools would be turning off your phones and computers if this turned out to be a right-wing nutjob having done this.

Just give it a rest attributing blame looking to score points.

I'm not looking to score any points but I make no apology for the fact I feel awful for the families in Manchester tonight. This isn't a competition and what's going on in Syria is not the problems of the people (kids) who buy tickets to go see Ariana grande in concert.

GT_TDI_150 · 23-05-2017 02:39AM

Do people really find it that hard þo understand that as westerns we care more about bombi gs here than we do about bombing in syria for example?!

If you live in galway and hear of a murder in the next èstate or a murder in an estate in dublin... are you really telling me both raise the same level of concern, fear, sympaþhy in you?

Its natural that you care more the closer to u tbongs happen.

Gamebred · 23-05-2017 02:40AM

Half the doctors treating the victims are probably muslims knowing the medical industry, a sad bleamish on their religion and now another witch hunt.

Samuel T. Cogley · 23-05-2017 02:40AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

in Ireland weve finally shaken off the shackles of the catholic church and now they are open to ridicule and criticism...I think the time has come to look at other religions in the same light and not be branded "racist or islamaphobe".
like youve said weve tried love...weve tried acceptance and its being flung back in our faces.
Islam deserves to be criticised the same as any religion...Ive no idea why its so protected

I have to agree here, but just to make the point that those of us who wish to protect someones right to practice a religion, and that don't want to see sweeping judgement made about people don't all want to protect a religion from criticism. I for one find there to be plenty to ridicule in all religions and they all have a streak of 'evil' in them a mile wide.

gitzy16v · 23-05-2017 02:41AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I don't give a monkeys who did this. Islamic Terror, right-wing terrorist, lunatic with a grudge against Ariana Grande.

Children are dead and people are using it to spout far-right white-culture nonsense. Ditto if anyone wants to spout nonsense on the other political spectrum.

Just leave it out.

Again.
Its not all "far-right" as you say.
Its not all internet point scoring.
Genuine normal people have concerns and you calling right wing at everything isnt helping.
Of course there are some Far right views being spewed but they are in the minority just like the far left.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 23-05-2017 02:41AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I don't give a monkeys who did this. Islamic Terror, right-wing terrorist, lunatic with a grudge against Ariana Grande.

Children are dead and people are using it to spout far-right white-culture nonsense. Ditto if anyone wants to spout nonsense on the other political spectrum.

Just leave it out.

There you go, don't mention the elephant in the room lest you be labelled a "far right white culturist" or an islamaphobe, just before they remind you how much worse the Muslims have it. Give it a rest.

Donald Trump · 23-05-2017 02:42AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Donald Trump wrote: »

The people who planned and executed this attack would be happy to hear that. They have achieved their target with you

Thing is, about your stance, what's the alternative ?
I don't think banning Islam is the answer either, for the record.

But I don't think protecting all Muslims and offering support/burying our heads in the sand are solutions either. Projecting love, love love not working out so well.

Nobody is saying "project love love love". What is "banning islam" going to achieve? Will all the would-be-suicide-jihadis say "ah feck, now I have to get a flight back home. Feck it anyway, and sure my mission was only next week"?

It is not all Muslims. Of course it is not. But the people who do these things claim to represent Muslims. The Muslim community leaders/imams etc then need to publicly condemn all these things. That is a start. None of this "but what about kids being killed in X/Y/Z".
Anyone preaching terror or anti-Western sentiment needs to be picked up, warned, monitored and then prosecuted if there is any repeat. If they are immigrants, any acquired citizenship and visas to be revoked. The Muslim community leaders need to be on board.
Anyone in a position of power preaching hate or anti-Western values needs to be locked up.

Some civil liberties might be curtailed - such as the absolute right to free speech etc. So it would need to be done carefully. Maybe this can't be done. But, chance are that whoever did this was already on some list. If they weren't, you can be guaranteed that some of the "support" people were

All needs to be done with explicit buy-in from Muslim leaders

huddlejonny · 23-05-2017 02:43AM

spoonerhead wrote: »

I'd vote for a party in the next election if they promised to ban Islam

That's the Donald talking.. be calm and think this through.

This is exactly the reaction terrorists want.

This is a huge tool in radicalisation for them if we decide enough is enough. Ban them will eventually lead to **** them lets go to war and kill them all.

This will never end if we become like them.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 02:43AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

in Ireland weve finally shaken off the shackles of the catholic church and now they are open to ridicule and criticism...I think the time has come to look at other religions in the same light and not be branded "racist or islamaphobe".
like youve said weve tried love...weve tried acceptance and its being flung back in our faces.
Islam deserves to be criticised the same as any religion...Ive no idea why its so protected

Islam is as much to blame for these attacks as Catholicism was to blame for the IRA bombings during the troubles. The vast majority of muslims don't throw acceptance back in anyones faces. It's not "protected. Everyday people should be free to practice whatever religion they want. They're not the ones going around blowing themselves and others up.

Mutant z · 23-05-2017 02:44AM

This is what happens when you have an open border policy, and import a culture thats incompatible with western civilisation.

bodhrandude · 23-05-2017 02:44AM

Maybe we should all wait until tomorrow where there will be more info, like who the suspect is or find the reason for the attack. Hopefully there will be a fuller report tomorrow.

Gamebred · 23-05-2017 02:45AM

The border talk is idiocy at this stage, nobody knows if the attacker was born in Manchester or Syria.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 02:46AM

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Yes we could easily ban people from Muslim countries being allowed to live here, starting from today. It would be nice for us all to sing from the same hymn sheet. I would like to see more controlled borders, not this free for all of anyone who shows up with a suitcase being allowed easy access. Let in the people who will truly make the country a better place, not who wants to bite off the hand that will feed them.

Are you for real? Ban all the muslims because they don't sing from the same hymn sheet and they don't make the country a better place? Talk about sweeping generalisations. As someone else pointed out, I'd imagine a lot of the doctors treating the injured tonight are muslims. Sure they're not doing the world any good. Terrorists the lot of them.

Hank Scorpio · 23-05-2017 02:47AM

Networks posting pictures of missing Children, can't imagine how heart wrenching it must be for the Parents

Romantic Rose · 23-05-2017 02:47AM

Gamebred wrote: »

The border talk is idiocy at this stage, nobody knows if the attacker was born in Manchester or Syria.

He could have been born on the moon but there is one repeating similarity again and again and again. It's denial insisting otherwise.

gitzy16v · 23-05-2017 02:48AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

Islam is as much to blame for these attacks as Catholicism was to blame for the IRA bombings during the troubles. The vast majority of muslims don't throw acceptance back in anyones faces. It's not "protected. Everyday people should be free to practice whatever religion they want. They're not the ones going around blowing themselves and others up.

Its not though.
The IRA were not militant Catholics,practising extreme verision of christianity.
Islam is protected from criticism,especially on social media.
Charlie Hebdo!!! took an awful backlash from joking about Mohammed.

wonderfullife · 23-05-2017 02:48AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

There you go, don't mention the elephant in the room lest you be labelled a "far right white culturist" or an islamaphobe, just before they remind you how much worse the Muslims have it. Give it a rest.

What do you want to do? Lock up all 3 million Muslims in the UK in case they commit a terrorist attack?

You're pretty big on blanket statements and pretty low on suggestions on what to do that would help stop this.

The reality is you CAN'T stop terrorists, certainly not terrorists willing to sacrifice their own lives.

RayM · 23-05-2017 02:50AM

I'm pretty sure if any of us had any answers, we wouldn't be posting on Boards at 2:50am.

RobertKK · 23-05-2017 02:52AM

major bill wrote: »

Some of the tweets on twitter are heartbreaking, people tweeting pictures of kids that haven't being heard from!! what must be going through the parents heads

I looked after reading your post and did some retweeting as it is indeed heartbreaking seeing people desperately still trying to find loved ones who are missing.
It brings tears to the eyes, they are just ordinary people like any of us here, who just wanted a good night out.

gitzy16v · 23-05-2017 02:52AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

What do you want to do? Lock up all 3 million Muslims in the UK in case they commit a terrorist attack?

You're pretty big on blanket statements and pretty low on suggestions on what to do that would help stop this.

The reality is you CAN'T stop terrorists, certainly not terrorists willing to sacrifice their own lives.

Who said any of the wonder?
Your making up arguments.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 02:54AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

Its not though.
The IRA were not militant Catholics,practising extreme verision of christianity.
Islam is protected from criticism,especially on social media.
Charlie Hebdo!!! took an awful backlash from joking about Mohammed.

No it's not, and these attacks aren't the work of Islam. You've literally just proved my point by specifying how they're carried out in the name of some extreme version that suits their goals. Are you aware the bible is as violent if not more so than the quran? It's a certain subset of people who interpret things the way they do. The vast majority of practising muslims, just like the vast majority of practising catholics are non-violent, normal people.

jimmycrackcorm · 23-05-2017 02:55AM

gitzy16v wrote:

Its not though. The IRA were not militant Catholics,practising extreme verision of christianity.

The IRA had a point and a specific goal and were always open to negotiation.

Islamic extremism doesn't have anything but just hated driven by ideology. These days the IRA look like saints in comparison because they used to phone up to say where their bombs were.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 23-05-2017 02:56AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

What do you want to do? Lock up all 3 million Muslims in the UK in case they commit a terrorist attack?

You're pretty big on blanket statements and pretty low on suggestions on what to do that would help stop this.

The reality is you CAN'T stop terrorists, certainly not terrorists willing to sacrifice their own lives.

Where have I blamed all Muslims? I honestly think you have a problem with comprehension, you pick a post and rant on and on about something I have never said.

gitzy16v · 23-05-2017 02:56AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

No it's not, and these attacks aren't the work of Islam. You've literally just proved my point by specifying how they're carried out in the name of some extreme version that suits their goals. Are you aware the bible is as violent if not more so than the quran? It's a certain subset of people who interpret things the way they do. The vast majority of practising muslims, just like the vast majority of practising catholics are non-violent, normal people.

Yes im well aware of the bible.
Its Islam,plain and simple.
An extreme version of it but still Islam

spoonerhead · 23-05-2017 02:56AM

I expected to be called a right-wing fascist for saying we should ban Islam, given I'm gay that wouldn't exactly be the political route that'd benefit me. What I want is freedom, freedom to go to a concert and enjoy your music, the ability to live your life and allow others to live theirs. From my reading of the Quran, this ideology is not just a 'religion' but the self-described 'be all' and 'end all' of civilisation, there is actually more anti-Semitic quotes in that text than in Mein Kampf

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 02:56AM

Romantic Rose wrote: »

I would rather live in a society that saw one gender as equal as the other. Islam doesn't do that. I have personal experience of this from my job.

Honestly, what the **** are you talking about? Since when is Islam a society? Do you live in Ireland or the UK? If so, then the society you live in supposedly does view both genders as equal, regardless of whether muslims are allowed live there or not.

Samuel T. Cogley · 23-05-2017 02:58AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

These days the IRA look like saints in comparison because they used to phone up to say where their bombs were.

Yeah, well that's a complete load of ****e. A kid killer is a kid killer.

Gamebred · 23-05-2017 02:59AM

They arent even muslims these animals that have committed atrocities, they are sub human that probably never as much as flicked through religious scripture, im as anti islam as it comes but the instant and raw replies after attack are stupid, there is no stopping these people they have infiltrated europe and cannot be weeded out.

Mr.Micro · 23-05-2017 02:59AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The IRA had a point and a specific goal and were always open to negotiation.

Islamic extremism doesn't have anything but just hated driven by ideology. These days the IRA look like saints in comparison because they used to phone up to say where their bombs were.

A murderer is the same in any guise.

Richard Hillman · 23-05-2017 03:00AM

huddlejonny wrote: »

That's the Donald talking.. be calm and think this through.

This is exactly the reaction terrorists want.

This is a huge tool in radicalisation for them if we decide enough is enough. Ban them will eventually lead to **** them lets go to war and kill them all.

This will never end if we become like them.

Ah that old nugget.

Do you think ISIS would prefer Angela Merkel or Marine Le Pen running Europe? Emanuel Macron or Geert Wilders?

The Love approach has been an utter disaster and has led to this. You want a nice enemy, not a ruthless enemy.

This will never end if we continue like this. This will never end if we continue the LOVE, LOVE, LOVE approach

We have the capability to end this FAST, real fast.

Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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