Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

tomofson · 23-05-2017 01:57AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

No gunman at the hospital, and no second device according to Fox.

They said the controlled explosion wasn't a dangerous device, turned out to be a back pack full of clothes.

Made a fairly loud explosion live on T,V for a backpack full of clothes.

Zaph · 23-05-2017 01:58AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

To be honest I dont think its ISIS at all....
I think its Islamic extremists...ie: followers of Islam who take their beliefs to the extreme.

I tend to agree. It's easy for some misguided, radicalised nutjob to claim he's doing it in the name of IS, which will inevitably gain more publicity/notoriety. In the meantime the IS leaders are blissfully unaware of that guy's existence until he commits his act of terrorism.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 23-05-2017 01:59AM

Lets not kid ourselves. They're at war with the west while the west sit back, allow kids be blown up at a concert and do nothing incase they may be seen as intolerant to multi culturism and diversity. I have no idea what they need to do, but there's kids tonight who won't get home, for what? Having the audacity to go to a concert and enjoy themselves??

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 01:59AM

I'm no expert but I think that might have been the bomb they blew it up with.

tomofson · 23-05-2017 02:00AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Lets not kid ourselves. They're at war with the west while the west sit back, allow kids be blown up at a concert and do nothing incase they may be seen as intolerant to multi culturism and diversity. I have no idea what they need to do, but there's kids tonight who won't get home, for what? Having the audacity to go to a concert and enjoy themselves??

The west sit back? are you serious? do you know how many drone strikes syria and iraq suffer daily?

tomofson · 23-05-2017 02:00AM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

I'm no expert but I think that might have been the bomb they blew it up with.

They dont use bombs to blow up other bombs lol.

Fairly sure a robotic style device is used to set off the already planted bomb

_Whimsical_ · 23-05-2017 02:01AM

50 unaccompanied children have been taken to a hotel. There are people in the radio who are safe who had brought 6 year olds to the concert and when asked if that was a bit young. They answered "yes, I'd say most in the area we were in were 9 to 12". I never imagined there'd be actual small children there

They said now the initial explosion was located outside the arena. Makes you wonder if stampeding was a big issue.

end of the road · 23-05-2017 02:01AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Any better ideas? It is literally the only option we have right now. I know, you know, everybody knows that when the identity of the culprit comes out he will be tagged as "known to police". Just like the last attack, just like the next attack. They are always "known to police".

It is time to end this madness. Europe is in a state of war and it wont get better until we take radical actions. War Time actions are necessary.

europe is in a state of war? which european leader has declared this? could you link to their speach where they declared it? thanks.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 23-05-2017 02:03AM

tomofson wrote: »

The west sit back? are you serious? do you know how many drone strikes syria and iraq suffer daily?

Syria aren't blowing up kids at a concert or driving a truck through Christmas markets. Those scumbags are usually from the country they're terrorising, known to police but are free to roam around until they kill people

gitzy16v · 23-05-2017 02:03AM

Zaph wrote: »

I tend to agree. It's easy for some misguided, radicalised nutjob to claim he's doing it in the name of IS, which will inevitably gain more publicity/notoriety. In the meantime the IS leaders are blissfully unaware of that guy's existence until he commits his act of terrorism.

ISIS is a great boogeyman for us all to pin the blame on.
IMO its extreme Islamic beliefs most of these attacks are carried out in.
ISIS might be who the lone wolves relate to the most but they probably have no affiliation to them whatsoever

Supergurrier · 23-05-2017 02:03AM

tomofson wrote: »

They dont use bombs to blow up other bombs lol.

Fairly sure a robotic style device is used to set off the already planted bomb

They do, it's called a controlled explosion for a reason.

tomofson · 23-05-2017 02:04AM

Supergurrier wrote: »

They do, it's called a controlled explosion for a reason.

Because they are setting off the already planted device.

GT_TDI_150 · 23-05-2017 02:05AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

50 unaccompanied children have been taken to a hotel. There are people in the radio who are safe who had brought 6 year olds to the concert and when asked if that was a bit young. They answered "yes, I'd say most in the area we were in were 9 to 12". I never imagined there'd be actual small children there

They said now the initial explosion was located outside the arena. Makes you wonder if stampeding was a big issue.

It sounds like the bomb went of in an area wher people would pass through as they exit.

Samuel T. Cogley · 23-05-2017 02:05AM

Zaph wrote: »

I tend to agree. It's easy for some misguided, radicalised nutjob to claim he's doing it in the name of IS, which will inevitably gain more publicity/notoriety. In the meantime the IS leaders are blissfully unaware of that guy's existence until he commits his act of terrorism.

I agree to a point and should be more precise in my posts. But these people are not followers of Islam as many (the vast majority) see it. In many cases they're very sick individuals and if it wasn't a convenient God delusion with a simple template to follow it would be the devil or little green men.

I expect ISIS or a similar fringe organisation will take credit none the less and frankly I find them just a s culpable as if they'd ordered it. And as an added side effect tomorrow they'll be schools and work places up and down the countries where the people will be victimised because of they're religious beliefs who are just as appalled at this as anyone else and a tiny, tiny number of those may become marginalised and that's the slippery slope in any minority community.

23-05-2017 02:05AM

tomofson wrote: »

They dont use bombs to blow up other bombs lol.

Fairly sure a robotic style device is used to set off the already planted bomb

Dude, how can an Irish person not know how a controlled explosion works?

gitzy16v · 23-05-2017 02:05AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Syria aren't blowing up kids at a concert or driving a truck through Christmas markets. Those scumbags are usually from the country they're terrorising, known to police but are free to roam around until they kill people

Syria had their first christmas celebrations in something like 5 or 6 years this years after running the terrorists out of town..Aleppo?

GT_TDI_150 · 23-05-2017 02:06AM

My 2yr old just woke... extra big cuddle for her ...

Supergurrier · 23-05-2017 02:07AM

tomofson wrote: »

Because they are setting off the already planted device.

No the purpose of the robot is generally to place a shaped charge (a small bomb) beside the suspected bomb to trigger it to explode in a controlled enviorment cleared of people or if they do it right to seperate the charge from the detonator.

Oops! · 23-05-2017 02:07AM

Zaph wrote: »

I tend to agree. It's easy for some misguided, radicalised nutjob to claim he's doing it in the name of IS, which will inevitably gain more publicity/notoriety. In the meantime the IS leaders are blissfully unaware of that guy's existence until he commits his act of terrorism.

That would be people using other people's social media devices and news media against your intended targets... Seems to be the weapon of choice for these islamic terrorist's these days... Brain wash their own weak to do their dirty work and claim the victory and achieve maximum impact....

The lowest of the human race...

gitzy16v · 23-05-2017 02:08AM

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I agree to a point and should be more precise in my posts. But these people are not followers of Islam as many (the vast majority) see it. In many cases they're very sick individuals and if it wasn't a convenient God delusion with a simple template to follow it would be the devil or little green men.

I expect ISIS or a similar fringe organisation will take credit none the less and frankly I find them just a s culpable as if they'd ordered it. And as an added side effect tomorrow they'll be schools and work places up and down the countries where the people will be victimised because of they're religious beliefs who are just as appalled at this as anyone else and a tiny, tiny number of those may become marginalised and that's the slippery slope in any minority community.

But they are followers of Islam,just an extreme version...just like the westboro church in america following an extreme version of christianity.

tomofson · 23-05-2017 02:08AM

Supergurrier wrote: »

No the purpose of the robot is generally to place a shaped charge (a small bomb) beside the suspected bomb to trigger it to explode in a controlled enviorment cleared of people or if they do it right to seperate the charge from the detonator.

Would that small bomb be extremely loud and shake the ground?

Supergurrier · 23-05-2017 02:09AM

tomofson wrote: »

Would that small bomb be extremely loud and shake the ground?

Depends on the amount of c4 used in making the clothes id imagine

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 02:12AM

tomofson wrote:

Because they are setting off the already planted device.

It was a bag of clothes

Boaty · 23-05-2017 02:13AM

tomofson wrote: »

They dont use bombs to blow up other bombs lol.

Fairly sure a robotic style device is used to set off the already planted bomb

You sound fairly confident that you are right, judging by the "lol" at the end but infact bomb disposal technicals do use a small amount of explosive to detonate the suspected device.

Samuel T. Cogley · 23-05-2017 02:14AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

But they are followers of Islam,just an extreme version...just like the westboro church in america following an extreme version of christianity.

They're not though according to the vast majority of followers. The vast majority of Christians would not accept that the KKK are true Christians.

This is all semantics anyway some people's God delusion makes them pitch up to mass every Sunday and try and give up chocolate once a year, others blow themselves and/or others up. One can say I'm following the true word of God all they like, it's the same God and trying to tar everyone with the same brush or suggesting that just because someone is a Muslim they must have know something is ridiculous. To be clear I'm not suggesting infogiver (IIRC) was trying to do that, just that Muslim leaders are as poweerless to stop this ans anyone else, in the main.

I've very little experience with Muslim communities in Ireland. They seem fairly insular to me, but in the South East of England Muslim communities are no different from a myriad of other communities around the place other than their own moderate idiosyncrasies.

tomofson · 23-05-2017 02:14AM

If the suspected second device was indeed a "bag of clothes" then this could just be an accident after all... It was the second device which convinced me it was terrorism.

Cantona's Collars · 23-05-2017 02:15AM

Reports that 2 senior US officials briefed American media that it was a suicide bomber.

BBC reporter on live is familiar with the venue and said it was the large foyer area where everybody congregates after concerts to meet up and buy merchandise that the blast took place in.

PTH2009 · 23-05-2017 02:15AM

The sky presenter got very worried just there when she saw behind the interviewer

23-05-2017 02:16AM

BBC News Channel really aren't on the ball at all tonight. Repeating the same stuff and reports over and over and the talk about the community spirit feels a bit glib at the moment. The coverage would be very different if it was London.

23-05-2017 02:16AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

The sky presenter got very worried just there when she saw behind the interviewer

Meaning?

Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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