Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

gitzy16v · 23-05-2017 01:42AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Yeh but im pretty sure they cant deport british citizens?

Extremists are usually radicalized in the country and not the poor ****ers risking life and limb in a dinghy to cross the mediteranean.

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muddypaws · 23-05-2017 01:42AM

Lots of stories coming through of Mancunians helping people, some driving down there to help people get out of the area, others giving people shelter, even simply giving water to concert goers. More good than bad people in the world, unfortunately the bad can do so much damage.

Dontfadeaway · 23-05-2017 01:43AM

https://twitter.com/EleanorBarlow/status/866815380857212928

smelly sock · 23-05-2017 01:43AM

Lockitup wrote: »

Islamic terrorism is a wholly imported problem. Probably best not to import more of it.

Think what Europe will be like in decades to come if we do. Sick of this ****e.

Thats a totally inaccurate post and one im not going to disect out of respect for the dead in manchester. I would however urge you to check your facts re previous isis attacks in europe to check on the origin of the attackers.

Trond · 23-05-2017 01:43AM

Just heard from someone over there that the controlled explosive site was also the staff meeting point in case of evaluation....

RayM · 23-05-2017 01:44AM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

Incoming #prayfor post worldwide.
Like it helps

I suppose it's a well-intentioned display of solidarity with the victims and the area in general. I used to think that kind of thing was silly, but I remember being at a funeral of a close relative and seeing total strangers blessing themselves as the cortege passed them on the street. It's just one of those nice little things that might not literally help, but... well, it's nice.

super_furry · 23-05-2017 01:44AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

Lock up the ones who cant be deported...simple.

Ahhh so we're talking internment. Tell me, how did that work out in the North?

gitzy16v · 23-05-2017 01:45AM

super_furry wrote: »

Ahhh so we're talking internment. Tell me, how did that work out in the North?

I never said anything about internment...lock up the ones who are involved with terrorism...obviously evidence is needed

Bridge93 · 23-05-2017 01:45AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

Lock up the ones who cant be deported...simple.

That's what they are doing. They aren't being let roam free. It's incredibly hard to track lone wolf attackers and no matter how sophisticated your terror system is, a few will slip through the net. It's the same with systems for anything, the problem is unlike with other walks of life, one slipping through the system has devastating consequences. The vast majority are caught in time. It's the ones that aren't and get to commit these catastrophic events that naturally gather the most attention

Samuel T. Cogley · 23-05-2017 01:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's a very high percentage. It suggests that 1 in a billion aren't good people. I think you may be pretty damn wrong there.

Hilarious. I tend to use numbers as I struggle with spelling, it was pretty obvious I meant the vast majority. Thank **** there's an internet comedian about in threads like this.

23-05-2017 01:46AM

Trond wrote: »

Just heard from someone over there that the controlled explosive site was also the staff meeting point in case of evaluation....

The controlled explosion was some clothes.

gitzy16v · 23-05-2017 01:47AM

Bridge93 wrote: »

That's what they are doing. They aren't being let roam free. It's incredibly hard to track lone wolf attackers and no matter how sophisticated your terror system is, a few will slip through the net. It's the same with systems for anything, the problem is unlike with other walks of life, one slipping through the system has devastating consequences. The vast majority are caught in time. It's the ones that aren't and get to commit these catastrophic events that naturally gather the most attention

I dont disagree.....its the people who are promoting the attitudes who need closer inspection than the disciples IMO

super_furry · 23-05-2017 01:48AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

I never said anything about internment...lock up the ones who are involved with terrorism...obviously evidence is needed

Literally the exact same thing that happened in the North. Those the British government said were "involved with terrorism" were locked up. If evidence was needed they found it whether it existed or not.

These are massively complex issues we're dealing with here and it needs much, much more that simple 'lock 'em up' approach.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 23-05-2017 01:48AM

Bridge93 wrote: »

That's what they are doing. They aren't being let roam free. It's incredibly hard to track lone wolf attackers and no matter how sophisticated your terror system is, a few will slip through the net. It's the same with systems for anything, the problem is unlike with other walks of life, one slipping through the system has devastating consequences. The vast majority are caught in time. It's the ones that aren't and get to commit these catastrophic events that naturally gather the most attention

They're not doing enough. There's a new city targeted every couple of months. Nothing's sacred or off limits. Not even a stadium full of children.

Richard Hillman · 23-05-2017 01:50AM

super_furry wrote: »

Ahhh so we're talking internment. Tell me, how did that work out in the North?

Any better ideas? It is literally the only option we have right now. I know, you know, everybody knows that when the identity of the culprit comes out he will be tagged as "known to police". Just like the last attack, just like the next attack. They are always "known to police".

It is time to end this madness. Europe is in a state of war and it wont get better until we take radical actions. War Time actions are necessary.

Samuel T. Cogley · 23-05-2017 01:51AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

Thats bollocks...the IRA werent religiously motivated,they were politically motivated.

And you think that ISIS is purely religiously motivated?

The point being that the vast majority of Christian community leaders had fcukl all idea what was going on with terrorists in their respective flocks. The same is true for the vast majority of Islamic leaders and practitioners who will do all they can, queue up to denounce those responsible, should this turn out to be an ISIS attack, which let's be honest here is looking likely.

end of the road · 23-05-2017 01:51AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Remember how long it took to get rid of Abu Hamza?

Whatever people think of Brexit, dumping extremists out of the country certainly wont have as much nonsense red-tape.

the "nonsense" red tape is to protect all of us from human rights abuses. better it exist and a nut be able to avail of it then my human rights to be abused.

tupenny · 23-05-2017 01:52AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Many parents won't have their kids back home safe tonight.

Putting it like that brings it home. Terrible ☹

23-05-2017 01:52AM

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

And you think that ISIS is purely religiously motivated?

The point being that the vast majority of Christian community leaders had fcukl all idea what was going on with terrorists in their respective flocks. The same is true for the vast majority of Islamic leaders and practitioners who will do all they can, queue up to denounce those responsible, should this turn out to be an ISIS attack, which let's be honest here is looking likely.

They had a fair idea for a good while, up until they all read out that they condemned the IRA entirely and a lot of people walked out of the church that day for the last Sunday.

Gamebred · 23-05-2017 01:52AM

The problem is the middle east, let them have their caliphate ship them all out let them have sharia law but ban all travel from the countries, let them slaughter each other at home west needs to pull out all forces and interests, wont happen as $$$ comes first.

gitzy16v · 23-05-2017 01:53AM

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

And you think that ISIS is purely religiously motivated?

The point being that the vast majority of Christian community leaders had fcukl all idea what was going on with terrorists in their respective flocks. The same is true for the vast majority of Islamic leaders and practitioners who will do all they can, queue up to denounce those responsible, should this turn out to be an ISIS attack, which let's be honest here is looking likely.

To be honest I dont think its ISIS at all....
I think its Islamic extremists...ie: followers of Islam who take their beliefs to the extreme.

Negative_G · 23-05-2017 01:54AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

They're not doing enough. There's a new city targeted every couple of months. Nothing's sacred or off limits. Not even a stadium full of children.

And yet there are people who think that an extremist who is currently in prison in Egypt should be "brought home".

This includes a sizable amount of elected representatives.

JCX BXC · 23-05-2017 01:54AM

Police searching rooms of hotels.

Hank Scorpio · 23-05-2017 01:54AM

No gunman at the hospital, and no second device according to Fox.

They said the controlled explosion wasn't a dangerous device, turned out to be a back pack full of clothes.

wonderfullife · 23-05-2017 01:54AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

They're not doing enough. There's a new city targeted every couple of months. Nothing's sacred or off limits. Not even a stadium full of children.

How do you propose they do more?

All it takes is one whatsapp essay on how to rig a pressure cooker and literally anybody can do this without alerting a single soul that they intend to do it.

If someone is willing to give their life in order to kill others there is next-to-nothing any police force in the world can do to stop them.

Samuel T. Cogley · 23-05-2017 01:54AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Any better ideas? It is literally the only option we have right now. I know, you know, everybody knows that when the identity of the culprit comes out he will be tagged as "known to police". Just like the last attack, just like the next attack. They are always "known to police".

It is time to end this madness. Europe is in a state of war and it wont get better until we take radical actions. War Time actions are necessary.

Yes, heightened awareness as already suggested in the thread. A balanced and nuanced approach to civil liberties and security and an understanding we're better off together trying to deal with this than apart and finally providing the resources needed, rather than tax breaks to win elections.

Bridge93 · 23-05-2017 01:55AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

They're not doing enough. There's a new city targeted every couple of months. Nothing's sacred or off limits. Not even a stadium full of children.

So what do you suggest is the next step?
Closing the borders won't do much when most of these localised attacks are by citizens of the country. Internment without evidence? Watch what effect that has on communities who for right or wrong already feel marginalised or victimised etc. It's an incredibly difficult problem to sort out. I can't see any dramatic change occurring unless the Islamic community has a massive inward look at itself and does more. But even that is unclear as to what they can do with practical difference.
Bad people will always do bad things and it can be impossible to stop. People will always believe they are right and others wrong, even those perceived as their leaders. The tragic problem is in this case it's costing far too many lives

Murrisk · 23-05-2017 01:55AM

Sosurface wrote: »

Stop clutching at straws. Another goat ****ing lunatic gone on the rampage. Calling it.

FFS. This is just a game to some, isn't it? :mad:

RIP.

kittensmittens · 23-05-2017 01:56AM

One thing is for sure, the people responsible for this scumbag act have some neck claiming any righteousness in their god/faith/beliefs.
In any faith and culture, children are the innocents.
Imho, a new low is reached with this.

Child killers.
Nothing more.
Great days work Lads, well done.

spoonerhead · 23-05-2017 01:57AM

That's what hits home the most, 19 families have lost a loved one. This has nothing to do with 'good' or 'bad' this is proof that liberalism is ironically destroying liberty

Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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