Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

looks like
Honoriam Naughten Mathei et Anne Naughten spon..bus Joanne Naughten et Marg/ta Naughten http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633899#page/37/mode/1up
father's name likely to be Mathew or Nathy....

snobbles wrote: »

Can anyone help decipher babtismal entry for Hannoria Naughten, 13 April 1862.
Thank you.

see my attempt above

I was wondering if you would be able to make out this person's cause of death. The last bit is anaemia and old age but I can't make out the first two words. I'm not going to say what I think they look like yet. Thanks.

spurious wrote: »

Amycardial Toxaemia?

Thanks for the reply. Yeah to me, the first word looks like amycardial but I don't think that there' such a thing.

Toxaemia sounds right but it looks like an 'n' instead of an 'x'. It looks like tonaemia. When I looked that up, a correction came up of ketonaemia. This is where I'm afraid that I'll create bias. His son had diabetes so maybe it is ketonaemia. Maybe, the person registering the deaths wasn't very clear on medical terms and wrote what he heard? I'm not sure.

Going by that, maybe the first word is myocardial and it's supposed to be myocardial infarction. I'm not sure and I don't really want to assume things.

Here's the link to the record: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1965/04240/4086778.pdf
Just in case you want to compare handwriting.

tabbey wrote: »

That is probably a mistranscription by the lay assistant registrar.

It may be myocardial, but this word would only go well with infarction, and anyway in 1965 most doctors and people used the term coronary thrombosis instead of myocardial infarction.
It is also possible that the "a" may be separate from "cardial".
I would strongly suspect that the asst reg could not read the medical certificate of the cause of death and took a guess. It is not the only error on this page.

Sorry I cannot give any positive diagnosis.

Thanks for your input. It definitely does seem like he had a heart attack or something like that. I'm not sure if the 'tonaemia' is to do with that or something separate. I'd say that your theory is right and it's definitely not the only mistake. Besides from the pyelonephritis being spelt wrong, the man that I'm asking about was a widower at the time of death.

Mother's name looks like Alicias or Aliciaz, Hatten is very clearly written.

pinkypinky wrote: »

No, one handwriting thread for all such queries is better.

There's 2 problems here: you need someone who can speak Irish and read the old Irish script and someone who understands medical words.

I make out 2 causes, the first has something about "fola" (blood) lasting 5 days. The secondary cause is much harder but lasted 14 days. I presume the last word means certified because that's usually the last word in a cause of death section. Deimhnithe in modern Irish.

pinkypinky wrote: »

You could ask in the Irish forum if we don't get any further with it.

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

agus galan buidhe = and Jaundice (under II)
I'll have a look at the rest when I've a bigger screen than a phone..(and a dictionary!)

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Irish spelling changed definitively in the 1950’s and was simplified substantially – for example the word for ‘gone’ nowadays is ‘imithe’ which previously was spelled ‘imthighthe’. Similarly the old lettering was changed although the letters R and S had taken ‘modern’ formats earlier. By 1961, (the date of the death entry/ register), the entries should be in the ‘revised’ script, but the registrar / clerk continued with the old format.

I (a) Caidhn –na xx fola 5 lá [xxxxx of the blood 5 days]
(b) Sgamhatas, 5 lá [Phthysis 5 days] The Irish word for Phthysis (an old name for TB) is sgamhalar, I’d guess that is what the Reg. means.
II
Dáidhteacht
Fuilmheathlughach agus [xxxx and
an galán buidhe [ jaundice] (lit. the yellow disease)
Fuilmheathlughach 14 lá [xxx 14 days]
The word for ‘consumption’ (another old word for TB) is Meathanas and ‘lugh’ means ‘swift’.

Dinneen (possibly the best dictionary of the period) is not very good on the words so it obviously is very technical language.

My take is that death was caused by TB complicated by jaundice.

tabbey wrote: »

Swift in relation to consumption, may be his way of describing "galloping consumption" in modern times known as "miliary TB". This would mean that it was spreading to other organs, perhaps the liver in this case.

Thanks everyone for your help. Sorry for the delay in replying to ye. By using all of your helpful replies, we have:

I: (a.) ? of the blood, 5 days.

(b.) Phthisis, 5 days.

II: ? galloping consumption and jaundice, galloping consumption, 14 days.

Certified


I'll make a post soon in the Irish forum to see if they can fill in the remaining question marks. Thanks again everyone.

could it be Restoration of Order in Ireland Act ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoration_of_Order_in_Ireland_Act_1920

I recently discovered that my great-great grandmother from Co Limerick gave birth to her sixth child in the Hampstead workhouse in England.  The 1861 census shows the other five children also there, all born England.  Can anyone read the last bit on this birth record?  I have figured most of the record out by referring to entries below hers, the top entry on the page.  The entry reads--
Date of birth, 30 Sept 1860--Baby is male--Name of Mother, Catherine Powell--Chargeable to Hampstead parish--Baby baptized James George--Remarks, 'Mother deserted by her husband'.
The next line reads--'One birth in half year ending Lady Day 1861'.  It is the next bit of writing--sentence?--that I can't decipher.
If it helps, mother's maiden name is Catherine Howard. Father was James Powell, 'shoemaker, journeyman' from their marriage record.  Oral history disagrees whether he was Irish or English but leaning to Irish.  Birth record attached--and thank you.

If you zoom, it helps but I'd appreciate any help from other eyes.

You can read about the GRO in England on their website. It is new to me. This record is not from GRO.