Why are we hating all the men?

D0NNELLY · 13-05-2017 04:24PM

Arghus wrote: »

I don't know. I read about this type of stuff again and again here on Boards, but it's almost never something that comes up in real life for me. It's crazy how much time and threads are given over to subject matter like this and it says more about the makeup and concerns of the user-base on Boards than it does about pressing real world issues.

Boards/tumblr/reddit/Facebook/Twitter

Students having a lot of time on their hands mixed with little real world experience and over estimated intelligence.

B0jangles · 13-05-2017 04:25PM

After all the complaining about 'identity politics' and 'professional victimhood' who could have guessed that what the great minds of AH really wanted was to be told that they were the REAL victims!

At long last they've won a medal at the Oppression Olympics

Wibbs · 13-05-2017 04:27PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

If that happened constantly and you stayed with them, then hate to point out of the obvious but you chose to do that

+1 though it's rarely obvious to those who do this(and many do, men and women). People would rather have their worldview be proven "right", than be content human beings. And yes any repeated mistake one makes is ultimately a choice. You chose to do it(for all sorts of reasons) and you can choose to not do it.

Calhoun · 13-05-2017 04:28PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

He said 'denial of sex, (refusal of sex) equals emotional abuse.

I think youll find, I did not say that.

I did yes because I didn't exactly remember what you said but my point was that views like that are so extreme that they trivialize the whole male/female right discussion.

Hagar7 · 13-05-2017 04:33PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Let me guess. Your one of the lot that doesn't believe men can be raped?

I think you are being a tad harsh tbh,

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 13-05-2017 04:34PM

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

I am currently helping someone very close to me fight for fathers' rights and deal with the sh*t that system designed for women throw at him.

This is the kind of thing people should be getting mad about, and looking for equal rights on. Instead of going around making issues out of nothing looking for something to perpetually offended about, there's so many fathers and their kids being kept apart by bitter women that you dare not question.

pjohnson · 13-05-2017 04:36PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

So what do you do, when you do voice what you want, and they still only do what feels good for them only.

Stop having sex with them?

If I go to a restaurant and am not satisfied I will not go to it again. I wont keep going to the same dissapointing restaurant and then proclaim ALL restaurants are bad.

Demforeigners · 13-05-2017 04:36PM

B0jangles wrote: »

After all the complaining about 'identity politics' and 'professional victimhood' who could have guessed that what the great minds of AH really wanted was to be told that they were the REAL victims!

At long last they've won a medal at the Oppression Olympics

A new subject for your tumblr blog no doubt.

Wibbs · 13-05-2017 04:40PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

This is the kind of thing people should be getting mad about, and looking for equal rights on. Instead of going around making issues out of nothing looking for something to perpetually offended about, there's so many fathers and their kids being kept apart by bitter women that you dare not question.

Actually I think this kind of ever more insane "feminism" has been useful in that more and more people are questioning it and the public yahoos that promote it. There is a backlash against it and it's growing in both genders.

Twenty years ago I would have said I was a feminist in agreement, but no way would I hitch my wagon to that title now or the latest bunch of overgrown spoiled children who want all the perks, but none of the responsibilities of being adult human beings. I am most definitely not a "feminist" today.

13-05-2017 04:40PM

Una Mullally is the ring-leader of this upturn in man-hate. She is a horrid, miserable person as far as I can tell from her articles.

B0jangles · 13-05-2017 04:46PM

Demforeigners wrote: »

A new subject for your tumblr blog no doubt.

Lol

One eyed Jack · 13-05-2017 04:46PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

It is just the way I'm putting it, off the top of my head. Where did I say I would force my niece to hold my belief systems, don't recall that. :pac:

I didn't suggest that you would force your niece to hold your belief systems. I'm suggesting that given you've talked previously in the thread about feminism being about all women asking that power structures we are all confined by are changed -

cloudatlas wrote: »

We need to think about citizenship as including everyone. Feminism is about women asking that power structures that we are ALL confined by are changed.

It's hardly unreasonable to assume that by virtue of the fact that she will one day become a woman (providing of course she doesn't come out one day and suggest that she is a victim of being misgendered and he's actually been male all along), that you would feel more of an affinity with her than with your brother, and that affinity is based upon your identity as a woman and as a feminist, with gender equality tacked on as an afterthought.

I never did like the whole academic feminism stuff because IMO it has always taught the politics of victimhood status, and spoken nothing of leadership, real leadership and mentorship where I meet women in executive positions in business every day. But yet online I hear about "power structures" and "oppression" and even you yourself mentioned if a woman stands up and says "I am the victim of something"...

I absolutely detest the politics and social currency of victimhood that has become more than just an online phenomenon of late. Why should anyone be encouraged to see themselves as a victim? That's what I don't get? I'm not too keen on the "survivor" language either tbh as I find it just as patronising, but I understand that's my issue with the language used. I still get what they mean and I wouldn't say anything.

But what really has me scratching my head is this idea that not only now do women and young girls need feminism, but men and young boys need it too, because of toxic masculinity? I mean, I love Emma Watson and all, but good lord that speech at the UN was so, so wide of the mark that the He4She campaign still ends up looking like a farce movement which has lost it's motivation and sense of direction!

I don't know, I just don't get feminism any more. I used to, but now I'm seeing it's equivalent from the male perspective and it seems to me as though both "movements" (if they could be called that any more) have forgotten the people that they claim to represent.

Unlike other posters though, I don't fear for the future of either men or women as neither of these movements have that kind of power (I'd be worried about that nofap challenge movement though, that ain't healthy for a young lad :pac:), but I do think generally, the more you expose yourself to this stuff, the more you're going to start believing in the hype!

Widdershins · 13-05-2017 04:47PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

How could they deliberately give you no pleasure? You not getting pleasure is down to you.

And if you spoke with men about their sexual experiences they would tell you about lots of women that got on top of a guy, came, and rolled off too... you seem to think only women can be used physically.

One minute you cite it as an example of men not being concerned enough to give pleasure, showing no interest in how the woman is feeling.... then you label it as them wanting to control the woman... control her while they are asleep?

For LOTS of women that's precisely what they want and especially if the man is a big sexy bastards :P

Again, IF those guys are humiliating you, or any other women (and I don't accept that what you cite is behavior which is inherently humiliating.. or at least intended to be so) well then, as Lexie said, just don't date them again... unless you like being humiliated.

Trust me, lots of guys feel used also. I have had women treat me like a piece of crap because I couldn't get it up on a few occasions... many men that have a couple of decades of sexual encounters with women will have equally humiliating experiences. Have heard of guys who women have laughed at when they seen the size of their penis (not me, honest). Women don't have the monopoly of being treated like a piece of meat you know.

Some women are very delicate and can bruise and tear so easily that rough sex would be overwhelming, unpleasantly sore or desensitising for them. My friend's a feminist writer and recently shared an article on this, sounding very like Midlandsmissus in her description of her encounters, but completely overlooking the many women who enjoy more than gentle clitoral stimulation.
(It was quite an amusing article in which she spoke of a bit of hair pulling like the height of risque bedroom antics) I don't think I'd enjoy mindless, thoughtless, unimaginative and repetitive pumping and nothing else, night in and night out, and I'm a fan of rough and kinky sex. I think that Midlandsmissus has described a selfish and not very accomplished man rather than an abusive one.

Outlaw Pete · 13-05-2017 04:56PM

Which was why I said "lots" and not "all"

Sweet baby Jesus. Some men have a sensitive frenulum. Well, they need to communicate that so.

Summer wind · 13-05-2017 04:59PM

I'd never in my life heard of any of these feminist bloggers or journalists before until the thread about the rape that may or may not have happened 15 years ago. I've never encountered any man or woman hating in my day to day life. I can't understand anybody listening to these people. They seem to be complete twits to me.

Calhoun · 13-05-2017 05:00PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Some women are very delicate and can bruise and tear so easily that rough sex would be overwhelming, unpleasantly sore or desensitising for them. My friend's a feminist writer and recently shared an article on this, sounding very like Midlandsmissus in her description of her encounters, but completely overlooking the many women who enjoy more than gentle clitoral stimulation.
(It was quite an amusing article in which she spoke of a bit of hair pulling like the height of risque bedroom antics) I don't think I'd enjoy mindless, thoughtless, unimaginative and repetitive pumping and nothing else, night in and night out, and I'm a fan of rough and kinky sex. I think that Midlandsmissus has described a selfish and not very accomplished man rather than an abusive one.

Let's say for a minute though he is being emotionally abusive and is doing it intentionally. That is a relationship issue and nothing to do with male or female rights .

The big question I would ask is why continue to be with someone who treats you disrespectfully but more so what in the baseline attraction means you want to be with someone like that.

Someself reflection is definitely required here but by no means do I feel this is related to the man putting the womenfolk down.

Widdershins · 13-05-2017 05:01PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Which was why I said "lots" and not "all"

Sweet baby Jesus. Some men have a sensitive frenulum. Well, they need to communicate that so.

Yep, fair enough. I just think there's a lot of assumptions about what either men or women in general like and want. As you say, communicate these things.

Widdershins · 13-05-2017 05:03PM

Calhoun wrote: »

Let's say for a minute though he is being emotionally abusive and is doing it intentionally. That is a relationship issue and nothing to do with male or female rights .

The big question I would ask is why continue to be with someone who treats you disrespectfully but more so what in the baseline attraction means you want to be with someone like that.

Someself reflection is definitely required here but by no means do I feel this is related to the man putting the womenfolk down.

Maybe it's an assumption that that behaviour is typical of most men in general so why would you leave or look elsewhere.

neverever1 · 13-05-2017 05:03PM

This masculinist movement seems to be taking off but only online thankfully. You'll usually find them abusing some rape victim or defending some rapist.

Calhoun · 13-05-2017 05:05PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Maybe it's an assumption that that behaviour is typical of most men in general so why would you leave or look elsewhere.

As I said that comes down to a baseline attraction to a certain type that does this. I find sex boring if we don't have fun what's the point ?

Calhoun · 13-05-2017 05:06PM

neverever1 wrote: »

This masculinist movement seems to be taking off but only online thankfully. You'll usually find them abusing some rape victim or defending some rapist.

They should be condemned as much as hard line feminist . There is no excusing rape it is a heinous activity which is why I am so against the rape culture argument .

neverever1 · 13-05-2017 05:09PM

Calhoun wrote: »

They should be condemned as much as hard line feminist . There is no excusing rape it is a heinous activity which is why I am so against the rape culture argument .

Do feminists defend rapists?

neverever1 · 13-05-2017 05:15PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Well nowadays not orgasming is rape. Any woman who preaches this will likely get laughed at in RL. The word "abuse" has no meaning thanks to Generation Snowflake. Everything is abuse now. Bloody hell there was that petition over students being made read too much as "abuse".

^ This is what I'm talking about. They all keep using these phrases like "Generation Snowflake" and sex is their most talked about topic. Probably because they aren't getting any. As I said, luckily it seems to be confined to the internet.

neverever1 · 13-05-2017 05:17PM

pjohnson wrote: »

They dont understand rape for a start. No one defends rapists.

These online masculinists do. Campaigning for rapists seems to be their main ideology.

Demforeigners · 13-05-2017 05:20PM

Here we go. Whataboutery incoming.

neverever1 · 13-05-2017 05:25PM

pjohnson wrote: »

You were claiming men defended rapists a minute ago. Sorry do you prefer the term professionally offended rather than "generation snaowflake"? I didn't mean to trigger you.

You have all the catch phrases down! Do you speak like this in real life?
I said these online masculinists defend rapists!

neverever1 · 13-05-2017 05:26PM

pjohnson wrote: »

When has this ever happened? Or are you one of those who buy into no orgasm = rape?

Look up any high profile rape case, they flock to it!

Calhoun · 13-05-2017 05:30PM

neverever1 wrote: »

Do feminists defend rapists?

They do not but they redefine rape so as to weaken it's meaning. On one level we are to believe it's a very serious crime on another level we have had conversations about not wanting to have a difficult conversation can lead to rape.

neverever1 · 13-05-2017 05:36PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I'm try to communicate on your level. You created a term "masculinists" and called them defenders of rapists. With absolutely no evidence or proof of anything. Its generally best to speak to people at their own level. Dont want to cause confusion.

Did I create masculinists? I'm a genius!

So you do talk like that in real life, that's a bit disturbing.

General Butt Naked · 13-05-2017 05:36PM

Misandry exists for sure and with the indoctrination in our universities it will get worse. But part of the problem is men who are unwilling to stand up for themselves.

If you won't confront accusations if prvilage, the wage gap and rape culture you are part of the problem.

Why are we hating all the men?

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