Why are we hating all the men?

Arghus · 13-05-2017 12:14AM

I don't know. I read about this type of stuff again and again here on Boards, but it's almost never something that comes up in real life for me. It's crazy how much time and threads are given over to subject matter like this and it says more about the makeup and concerns of the user-base on Boards than it does about pressing real world issues. Is toxic feminism everywhere? I don't think it is and I'm a man - I would have thought that I would have noticed it's omnipresence by now. I certainly don't encounter it. But what does it matter, someone can claim it is and automatically receive fifty thanks right off the bat.

Demforeigners · 13-05-2017 12:15AM

It definitely occurs more in the workplace. Having previously worked in an office full of moody bitchy women I was always on eggshells. They'd have the "bants" at my expense but when it was returned the scowls were deafening.

Arghus · 13-05-2017 12:22AM

I was the only guy working in a place for a few years and I got on great with my co-workers. It helped that I viewed them as people first though.

Beyondgone · 13-05-2017 12:35AM

Arghus wrote: »

I was the only guy working in a place for a few years and I got on great with my co-workers. It helped that I viewed them as people first though.

Contradictory? Them who? You were alone, right?

cloudatlas · 13-05-2017 12:38AM

It's really futile, this discussion has been done to death in the 'Louise O'neill' hater thread. You won't find a nuanced discussion here just the kind of frothing at the mouth that the O.P is complaining about ironically enough.

Demforeigners · 13-05-2017 12:46AM

Arghus wrote: »

I was the only guy working in a place for a few years and I got on great with my co-workers. It helped that I viewed them as people first though.

What? As opposed to robots? Did you work in the AI industry?

Arghus · 13-05-2017 12:51AM

LOL. Yes, clearly, what I was trying to say was that I worked alone in a robotics factory - Well spotted guys!

Mountainsandh · 13-05-2017 12:59AM

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Instead of being offended by crap posted by fcukwits on social media, put down your phone and go into the real world - where the normal people are. Where real life goes. .

Ben Massive Paprika wrote: »

And if everybody with more than half a brain stopped using the social media involved or reading anything from those concerned, and failed to show any reaction , it would die a natural death in time.

Arghus wrote: »

I don't know. I read about this type of stuff again and again here on Boards, but it's almost never something that comes up in real life for me. ... Is toxic feminism everywhere? I don't think it is and I'm a man - I would have thought that I would have noticed it's omnipresence by now. I certainly don't encounter it..

I work with young people, and had a bit of a shock today at a 13 year old girl's reaction to a scene in a video.
This was a completely innocuous scene, with something meaningless, but she exclaimed : "What ? but that's sexist !".

I can't even remember what the scene was, this was something like a boy giving a girl a doughnut or something, there wasn't a shadow of anything sexist about it.

Our young ladies are soaking in all of this, so fúckwits or not, their influence is seeping into the real world. There is a generation of young ladies who don't quite understand the ins and outs, but are buying into the victim stance, and the defensive behaviour.

Boys talk about it too, often saying things like : "well I'd better not say that because people will say it's sexist".

I think that's real life.
They're not really "events" as such, more attitudes that I see evolving.

Beyondgone · 13-05-2017 01:01AM

Arghus wrote: »

LOL

The most popular, by a mile, women on Fb are the ones who post racy self promoting pictures of them luxuriating. No men were involved in them posts. They're "selfies". Men get an unfair rap. We're "the audience". When we applaud, we are booed as being "sexist". There's no winning.

FaceTurnedAway · 13-05-2017 01:02AM

anna080 wrote: »

Why does it feel like everywhere I look on social media, there's some annoying twat bleating on about men and oppression. I get that this isn't a new phenomenon, but imo it's worse now more than ever. "Feminists" have given themselves authority on male social standing, and I feel they see everything now through a lense of male authority. Everything is sexist, misogynistic, and due to the patriarchy.
And have set the goal posts on what men can and cannot be offended by.

What was once an expression of female humanity, seeking to free itself from male authority and thus promote equality of the sexes- has been transformed into female superiority. And pissing men off seems to now to the bread and butter of femisnism.

Many women, myself included, have had awful experiences with men. Sure, there are men out there who are assholes, and there are women out there who are assholes- assholes don't tend to be gender specific.
I am just so sick of this toxic femisnism- it's everywhere, and it's annoying.

Secured in the notion of a "rape culture" is the stipulation that considers all men to be rapists. I do not want to live in a society which sees my brother, father, and boyfriend as rapists. This rape culture theory disgusts me. Something needs to happen as it's a seriously damaging supposition and one that I do not subscribe to.

But to oppose of such an unfair concept means I'm betraying women apparently, and denouncing my gender. I've been called a Man's Rights Activist because I oppose certain views. I'm not a MRA,(or am I? Who knows) but if I was, is that meant to be an insult? I don't get it. Do men not have rights that need advocating as well? Or is it always just women whom are treated unfairly/oppressed/exploited?

TLDR: I Men

I just see it in advertisements! Lately, you'll notice there a popularity in having the daughter insult the father... like in that washing powder ad!

red ears · 13-05-2017 01:03AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I really feel for younger generations as this bs is getting worse by the day too and to the notion that this stuff is Internet based and one just needs to get off Facebook, or Twitter or whatever, that's just baloney. Sure look at the recent documentary screening issues which Cassie Jaye's The Red Pill had Internationally. Protests at almost all early screenings. Even the other night in Sydney they tried to get the screening cancelled:

https://twitter.com/Cassie_Jaye/status/862410809795686400

And netflix wont screen the film. That's the patriarchy you see.. or something

Beyondgone · 13-05-2017 01:05AM

FaceTurnedAway wrote: »

I just see it in advertisements! Lately, you'll notice there a popularity in having the daughter insult the father... like in that washing powder ad!

Advertising is like the internet. It's a whole other universe.

Also, what washing powder ad? There's loads to Daz-zle us.

cloudatlas · 13-05-2017 01:08AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I work with young people, and had a bit of a shock today at a 13 year old girl's reaction to a scene in a video.
This was a completely innocuous scene, with something meaningless, but she exclaimed : "What ? but that's sexist !".

I can't even remember what the scene was, this was something like a boy giving a girl a doughnut or something, there wasn't a shadow of anything sexist about it.

Our young ladies are soaking in all of this, so fúckwits or not, their influence is seeping into the real world. There is a generation of young ladies who don't quite understand the ins and outs, but are buying into the victim stance, and the defensive behaviour.

Boys talk about it too, often saying things like : "well I'd better not say that because people will say it's sexist".

I think that's real life.
They're not really "events" as such, more attitudes that I see evolving.

You'd be better off explaining the 'bechdel test' to her.

FaceTurnedAway · 13-05-2017 01:09AM

Beyondgone wrote: »

Advertising is like the internet. It's a whole other universe.

Also, what washing powder ad? There's loads to Daz-zle us.

you know the one one where the father goes to high five the daughter, and she just walk off.

They'll typically have one where the dad will wave to the daughter going to school from a bus or something, then she'll give him the 'loser' gesture, and he'll look around to make sure no one saw!

Arghus · 13-05-2017 01:13AM

Beyondgone wrote: »

The most popular, by a mile, women on Fb are the ones who post racy self promoting pictures of them luxuriating. No men were involved in them posts. They're "selfies". Men get an unfair rap. We're "the audience". When we applaud, we are booed as being "sexist". There's no winning.

Don't really know what you are on about here to be honest. As long as you know though - that's the main thing!

Beyondgone · 13-05-2017 01:16AM

FaceTurnedAway wrote: »

you know the one one where the father goes to high five the daughter, and she just walk off.

They'll typically have one where the dad will wave to the daughter going to school from a bus or something, then she'll give him the 'loser' gesture, and he'll look around to make sure no one saw!

That's a VW ad.

And ALL daughters are drop-dead embarrassed by their Dads from age 15 to 22. From 23 onwards, they either love their Dads or hate them forever. The ones who are decent get loved - the majority. The others deserve all they don't get. I've a daughter, we get on brilliantly. Mainly because I'm decent.

Mountainsandh · 13-05-2017 01:21AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

You'd be better off explaining the 'bechdel test' to her.

:eek:
I ain't fueling that fire !

FaceTurnedAway · 13-05-2017 01:29AM

Beyondgone wrote: »

That's a VW ad.

And ALL daughters are drop-dead embarrassed by their Dads from age 15 to 22. From 23 onwards, they either love their Dads or hate them forever. The ones who are decent get loved - the majority. The others deserve all they don't get. I've a daughter, we get on brilliantly. Mainly because I'm decent.

No, you wouldn't get the reverse example!

FaceTurnedAway · 13-05-2017 01:30AM

anna080 wrote: »

Why does it feel like everywhere I look on social media, there's some annoying twat bleating on about men and oppression. I get that this isn't a new phenomenon, but imo it's worse now more than ever. "Feminists" have given themselves authority on male social standing, and I feel they see everything now through a lense of male authority. Everything is sexist, misogynistic, and due to the patriarchy.
And have set the goal posts on what men can and cannot be offended by.

What was once an expression of female humanity, seeking to free itself from male authority and thus promote equality of the sexes- has been transformed into female superiority. And pissing men off seems to now to the bread and butter of femisnism.

Well at least there's one good reason crooked Hillary didn't get in!

Junkyard Tom · 13-05-2017 01:32AM

FaceTurnedAway wrote: »

the dad will wave to the daughter going to school from a bus or something, then she'll give him the 'loser' gesture, and he'll look around to make sure no one saw!

I think you might be confusing your imagination with the car advert? Does this stuff hurt your feelings? You might want to toughen up a bit sweetpea. Regardless, the vast majority of adverts are... well, look at this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9fFOelpE_8

Beyondgone · 13-05-2017 01:38AM

FaceTurnedAway wrote: »

No, you wouldn't get the reverse example!

Ya wha?

FaceTurnedAway · 13-05-2017 01:45AM

Beyondgone wrote: »

Ya wha?

keep thinking

Beyondgone · 13-05-2017 01:52AM

FaceTurnedAway wrote: »

keep thinking

I think. It's pretty much what I do for a living. Perhaps you ought to think? Maybe a bit deeper. Beyond the surface? Beyondgone?

......... · 13-05-2017 01:56AM

anna080 wrote: »

Why does it feel like everywhere I look on social media, there's some annoying twat bleating on about men and oppression. I get that this isn't a new phenomenon, but imo it's worse now more than ever. "Feminists" have given themselves authority on male social standing, and I feel they see everything now through a lense of male authority. Everything is sexist, misogynistic, and due to the patriarchy.
And have set the goal posts on what men can and cannot be offended by.

What was once an expression of female humanity, seeking to free itself from male authority and thus promote equality of the sexes- has been transformed into female superiority. And pissing men off seems to now to the bread and butter of femisnism.

Many women, myself included, have had awful experiences with men. Sure, there are men out there who are assholes, and there are women out there who are assholes- assholes don't tend to be gender specific.
I am just so sick of this toxic femisnism- it's everywhere, and it's annoying.

Secured in the notion of a "rape culture" is the stipulation that considers all men to be rapists. I do not want to live in a society which sees my brother, father, and boyfriend as rapists. This rape culture theory disgusts me. Something needs to happen as it's a seriously damaging supposition and one that I do not subscribe to.

But to oppose of such an unfair concept means I'm betraying women apparently, and denouncing my gender. I've been called a Man's Rights Activist because I oppose certain views. I'm not a MRA,(or am I? Who knows) but if I was, is that meant to be an insult? I don't get it. Do men not have rights that need advocating as well? Or is it always just women whom are treated unfairly/oppressed/exploited?

TLDR: I Men

Men as I'm sure you've noticed are now also increasingly portrayed as weak buffoons in advertisements and in drama / films.

You're on the money and it's telling that not one mod thanked your post out of the 40 plus thanks and you got a lot of hassle for expression your opinion so well. Social media is people saying what they really think, as opposed to the nicer exterior they put on in public.

True equality is wanting equality for everyone regardless of their sex, and not campaigning specifically for equality for just one sex.

......... · 13-05-2017 01:59AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I work with young people, and had a bit of a shock today at a 13 year old girl's reaction to a scene in a video.
This was a completely innocuous scene, with something meaningless, but she exclaimed : "What ? but that's sexist !".

I can't even remember what the scene was, this was something like a boy giving a girl a doughnut or something, there wasn't a shadow of anything sexist about it.

Our young ladies are soaking in all of this, so fúckwits or not, their influence is seeping into the real world. There is a generation of young ladies who don't quite understand the ins and outs, but are buying into the victim stance, and the defensive behaviour.

Boys talk about it too, often saying things like : "well I'd better not say that because people will say it's sexist".

I think that's real life.
They're not really "events" as such, more attitudes that I see evolving.

Apparently this is not happening in the real world, it's all in your head, and you're making it all up.

riffmongous · 13-05-2017 03:05AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The only place I've noticed this bullshit phoney-war appearing is here on boards.ie. I try not to get drawn in because I don't think it deserves oxygen.

Same, I hope AH doesn't slide into this **** again

Widdershins · 13-05-2017 03:33AM

I dunno, but it's so boring. I've tried politely asking people to expand on their Toxic Masculinity memes on Facebook but they always ignore me. Maybe they are too busy smashing the patriarchy to explain it.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-05-2017 03:36AM

Men created everything, but they're prone to fighting. They clash with each other, the same behaviour is seen across most animal species.

Most high achieving males are ultra competitive in nature.

Brendan Bendar · 13-05-2017 06:01AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

My dog just farted in his sleep. 😳

Light a match - cheap dog food farts make a great 'flash bang'

Struck one after the Boxer had taken in a large can of Chum and released.

Room all lit up .

13-05-2017 06:34AM

anna080 wrote: »

Secured in the notion of a "rape culture" is the stipulation that considers all men to be rapists. I do not want to live in a society which sees my brother, father, and boyfriend as rapists. This rape culture theory disgusts me. Something needs to happen as it's a seriously damaging supposition and one that I do not subscribe to.

Huh?

Rape culture does not prescribe that all men are rapists.

It does not even claim that all men who engage in rape culture are rapists.

Rape culture disgusts me. Every time I hear a man saying he'd smash it, how he'd leave her bleeding, how he'd drive her head into the headboard...that disgusts me. But I do not see that man as a rapist.

Why are we hating all the men?

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