Why are we hating all the men?

retro:electro

Why does it feel like everywhere I look on social media, there's some annoying twat bleating on about men and oppression. I get that this isn't a new phenomenon, but imo it's worse now more than ever. "Feminists" have given themselves authority on male social standing, and I feel they see everything now through a lense of male authority. Everything is sexist, misogynistic, and due to the patriarchy.
And have set the goal posts on what men can and cannot be offended by.

What was once an expression of female humanity, seeking to free itself from male authority and thus promote equality of the sexes- has been transformed into female superiority. And pissing men off seems to now to the bread and butter of femisnism.

Many women, myself included, have had awful experiences with men. Sure, there are men out there who are assholes, and there are women out there who are assholes- assholes don't tend to be gender specific.
I am just so sick of this toxic femisnism- it's everywhere, and it's annoying.

Secured in the notion of a "rape culture" is the stipulation that considers all men to be rapists. I do not want to live in a society which sees my brother, father, and boyfriend as rapists. This rape culture theory disgusts me. Something needs to happen as it's a seriously damaging supposition and one that I do not subscribe to.

But to oppose of such an unfair concept means I'm betraying women apparently, and denouncing my gender. I've been called a Man's Rights Activist because I oppose certain views. I'm not a MRA,(or am I? Who knows) but if I was, is that meant to be an insult? I don't get it. Do men not have rights that need advocating as well? Or is it always just women whom are treated unfairly/oppressed/exploited?

TLDR: I Men

Falthyron

anna080 wrote: »

Why does it feel like everywhere I look on social media, there's some annoying twat bleating on about men and oppression. I get that this isn't a new phenomenon, but imo it's worse now more than ever. "Feminists" have given themselves authority on male social standing, and I feel they see everything now through a lense of male authority. Everything is sexist, misogynistic, and due to the patriarchy.
And have set the goal posts on what men can and cannot be offended by.

What was once an expression of female humanity, seeking to free itself from male authority and thus promote equality of the sexes- has been transformed into female superiority. And pissing men off seems to now to the bread and butter of femisnism.

Many women, myself included, have had awful experiences with men. Sure, there are men out there who are assholes, and there are women out there who are assholes- assholes don't tend to be gender specific.
I am just so sick of this toxic femisnism- it's everywhere, and it's annoying.

Secured in the notion of a "rape culture" is the stipulation that considers all men to be rapists. I do not want to live in a society which sees my brother, father, and boyfriend as rapists. This rape culture theory disgusts me. Something needs to happen as it's a seriously damaging supposition and one that I do not subscribe to.

But to oppose of such an unfair concept means I'm betraying women apparently, and denouncing my gender. I've been called a Man's Rights Activist because I oppose certain views. I'm not a MRA,(or am I? Who knows) but if I was, is that meant to be an insult? I don't get it. Do men not have rights that need advocating as well? Or is it always just women whom are treated unfairly/oppressed/exploited?

Who gave you permission to speak?!

whoopsadoodles

I think it's vastly over exaggerated tbh.

Real life just doesn't seem to be the way boards says it is and other than boards, I barely see it as much as referenced anywhere else. (And that's both sides of the fence btw).

Temptamperu

I want everyone happy so whatever accommodates that.

Jobs OXO

Well my lass likes me (and my sex stick) anyway.

Avatar MIA

Jobs OXO wrote: »

Well my lass likes me (and my sex stick) anyway.

She LOVES mine!

Calhoun

I think I comes down to one simple thing money. Identity politics sells for both sides some very prominent YouTubers have subs based on getting involved.

myshirt

There is a trick here in dealing with this type of angry woman.

If she comes at you with a knife in particular, which can be a frightening experience. What you need to do is maintain composure. Immediately grab some butter, some ham, and some bread. Brown or white, your choice. In will kick her natural instincts and she will make you a sandwich.
Situation defused, but yes, you have to be tactful here, because there is undoubtedly an increasing trend of hatred and violence towards men.

retro:electro

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

I think it's vastly over exaggerated tbh.

Real life just doesn't seem to be the way boards says it is and other than boards, I barely see it as much as referenced anywhere else. (And that's both sides of the fence btw).

Are you on Twitter? Twitter lately is a man hating machine

bodice ripper

You follow morons on social media OP. I never see any of this ****.

whoopsadoodles

anna080 wrote: »

Are you on Twitter? Twitter lately is a man hating machine

Yeh I obviously just don't follow any fcukwits.

Get off the internet and out into the real world.

There's very little hate out there.

Calhoun

anna080 wrote: »

Are you on Twitter? Twitter lately is a man hating machine

To be fair as.mentionrd below it depends on who you follow, twitter makes it very easy to be in an echo chamber but I am pretty sure both sides of the argument are represented .

retro:electro

bodice ripper wrote: »

You follow morons on social media OP. I never see any of this ****.

I've unfollowed most of the morons. But it seems their theory breeds like gremlins. They're populating at an alarming rate

Jesus Wept

misdirected anger

red ears

Yes it is rampant on social media and some of the msm. I do finds it a bit disturbing how acceptable it seems to be. Men are heavily policed on what they can say but women not so much. In the workplace women can say smutty things without a care in the world but men are very very careful on what they say in the canteen or in the office.

Jesus Wept

twitter is a kip

Jawgap

I could tell you, but I'd only be accused of "mansplaining," love, OP......


.......FIGHT THE PATRIARCHY!!

anna080

anna080 wrote: »

Secured in the notion of a "rape culture" is the stipulation that considers all men to be rapists. I do not want to live in a society which sees my brother, father, and boyfriend as rapists. This rape culture theory disgusts me. Something needs to happen as it's a seriously damaging supposition and one that I do not subscribe to.

Except that "rape culture" is actually described as a culture which normalises or trivialises sexual assault/rape. It doesn't assume that all men are rapists but aims to point out everyday actions which occur that were once passed off as playful or expected of men and aims to reclassify them since they can be sexually threatening but due to "rape culture" where actually considered normal.

retro:electro

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Yeh I obviously just don't follow any fcukwits.

Get off the internet and out into the real world.

There's very little hate out there.

I'd disagree. People are obviously using social media as a sound board from which they project their real world thoughts/theories/complaints.
It's very hard to read the venom that's spluttered across social platforms and then act/suppose that these people dont exist or carry these views into the real world. They do.
And you don't have to follow them to see this sh!t.

whoopsadoodles

anna080 wrote: »

I'd disagree. People are obviously using social media as a sound board from which they project their real world thoughts/theories/complaints.
It's very hard to read the venom that's spluttered across social platforms and then act/suppose that these people dont exist or carry these views into the real world. They do.
And you don't have to follow them to see this sh!t.

Do you see venomous misogyny and misandry everywhere you go? In work? In restaurants? In shopping centres?

retro:electro

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Do you see venomous misogyny and misandry everywhere you go? In work? In restaurants? In shopping centres?

Not so much. That's why my post is specifically about social media. Are you saying unless people are out there saying these things in the real world, they don't matter? People can be just as offended by the bile they read online.

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Except that "rape culture" is actually described as a culture which normalises or trivialises sexual assault/rape. It doesn't assume that all men are rapists but aims to point out everyday actions which occur that were once passed off as playful or expected of men and aims to reclassify them since they can be sexually threatening but due to "rape culture" where actually considered normal.

I'm aware of what it is- we still don't live in one. Our society doesn't trivialise rape.

whoopsadoodles

anna080 wrote: »

Not so much. That's why my post is specifically about social media. Are you saying unless people are out there saying these things in the real world, they don't matter? People can be just as offended by the bile they read online.

Social media gives fcukwits a platform.

They are in the minority.

Yes there are people who hate men, who hate women, who hate feet. There always will be. But they will always be in a tiny minority (ok maybe not feet).

Instead of being offended by crap posted by fcukwits on social media, put down your phone and go into the real world - where the normal people are. Where real life goes. Where men and women want to fcuk each other and get married and have lots of little babies.

SEPT 23 1989

My mother loves me my wife loves me and my daughte loves me after that I dont really care

Dr Crayfish

I think it's because no one goes hungry any more and there's not really that much to get worked up over in these times of peace so people just jump on any bandwagon or agenda. You'll see feminism and other causes go out the window pretty quickly if/when war or starvation ever took hold.

retro:electro

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Social media gives fcukwits a platform.

They are in the minority.

Yes there are people who hate men, who hate women, who hate feet. There always will be. But they will always be in a tiny minority (ok maybe not feet).

Instead of being offended by crap posted by fcukwits on social media, put down your phone and go into the real world - where the normal people are. Where real life goes. Where men and women want to fcuk each other and get married and have lots of little babies.

Quite an aggressive and unnecessary response. I do live in the real world, whoops, just because you're not offended or even aware of these issues doesn't mean they aren't happening or offensive to other people. But you're entitled to your view.
And you do realise the irony of telling me to go out into the real world with the normal people when we are both here discussing this online :pac:

whoopsadoodles

anna080 wrote: »

Quite an aggressive and unnecessary response. I do live in the real world, whoops, just because you're not offended or even aware of these issues doesn't mean they aren't happening or offensive to other people. But you're entitled to your view.

What? :pac:

That wasn't in the least bit aggressive or unnecessary!

That's quite telling to be completely honest!

retro:electro

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

What? :pac:

That wasn't in the least bit aggressive or unnecessary!

That's quite telling to be completely honest!

Maybe I'm taking you up wrong- I probably am. It's just seems that "put your phone down and get out into the real world" is quite a dismissive response, tbh. And you've said it twice now :pac:
I get it, you disagree

Annasopra

anna080 wrote: »

Not so much. That's why my post is specifically about social media. Are you saying unless people are out there saying these things in the real world, they don't matter? People can be just as offended by the bile they read online.

I think you see extremes on social media that are just representative of the real world.

whoopsadoodles

anna080 wrote: »

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And you do realise the irony of telling me to go out into the real world with the normal people when we are both here discussing this online :pac:

No, actually, and that just shows you've entirely misinterpreted my posts.

I wasn't telling you to get off the internet. The internet is great. I work in IT ffs, I love technology. I love the internet!

I was saying that anyone who thinks that some assholes on twitter is representative of the majority of society needs to look up and look around, because it most certainly is not the case.

Dr Crayfish

Cat fight, loving it

wakka12

The women who voice opinions such as all men being rapists are confined to the realms of the internet. The only time Ive heard such ****e spouted in real life was at poetry slams and feminist rallies

Stonedpilot

ALOT of office based jobs are gynocentric and there is subtle discrimination against men. Seen it many times. Men been discrinimated against based on sex by female bosses and mangers.Its subtle but obvious as a man in that environment Now a case in point a guy mentioning sexism against men to a woman manager by petty women.Simply isnt taken seriously.

retro:electro

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

No, actually, and that just shows you've entirely misinterpreted my posts.

I wasn't telling you to get off the internet. The internet is great. I work in IT ffs, I love technology. I love the internet!

I was saying that anyone who thinks that some assholes on twitter is representative of the majority of society needs to look up and look around, because it most certainly is not the case.

But I never said they were representative of the majority?? Ever! I do not think that at all, whatsoever. There are far more well informed, well rounded people out there, thankfully.

Also am I right in thinking you don't live in Ireland anymore? (Prob wrong) Ireland has gone to sh!t with this kind of thing lately. And it's not just exclusive to social media- every newspaper has a columnist spouting this crap every other week

Mongfinder General

anna080 wrote: »

Maybe I'm taking you up wrong- I probably am. It's just seems that "put your phone down and get out into the real world" is quite a dismissive response, tbh. And you've said it twice now :pac:
I get it, you disagree

Yeah get out into the real world and speak to arseholes face to face. I don't even answer my front door not my phone unless I know who it is. Having to deal with people at work is enough for me.

Wanderer78

disconnect from facebook, your life will be infinitely better

Stonedpilot

Wanderer78 wrote: »

disconnect from facebook, your life will be infinitely better

Isnt there an irony to posting this on a internet forum
Forums= Facebook lite in essence.

retro:electro

Wanderer78 wrote: »

disconnect from facebook, your life will be infinitely better

But sure then how would I know how much Sheila's young one got for his communion? :pac:

I've actually never been on Facebook.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

anna080 wrote: »

But sure then how would I know how much Sheila's young one got for his communion? :pac:

I've actually never been on Facebook.

Will then, disconnect from whatever social media you keep seeing this nonsense on. It's simple. Avoid or ignore the beast.

Fr_Dougal

My dog just farted in his sleep. 😳

retro:electro

Ben Massive Paprika wrote: »

Will then, disconnect from whatever social media you keep seeing this nonsense on. It's simple. Avoid or ignore the beast.

While I do see what you're saying, and for the most part I have switched off- by ignoring it doesn't mean it's not happening, it just means I'm not seeing it.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

anna080 wrote: »

While I do see what you're saying, and for the most part I have switched off- by ignoring it doesn't mean it's not happening, it just means I'm not seeing it.

And if everybody with more than half a brain stopped using the social media involved or reading anything from those concerned, and failed to show any reaction , it would die a natural death in time.

retro:electro

Ben Massive Paprika wrote: »

And if everybody with more than half a brain stopped using the social media involved or reading anything from those concerned, and failed to show any reaction , it would die a natural death in time.

True. I must be a glutton for punishment

Woodhenge

Ben Massive Paprika wrote: »

Will then, disconnect from whatever social media you keep seeing this nonsense on. It's simple. Avoid or ignore the beast.

That would be fine if it wasn't having real world consequences. If anyone says anything or does anything that can be considered blasphemous by these new cults they do face a very serious fallout. Careers and reputations are left in ruins. Having recovered from religious meddling in education we are now seeing political ideologies impacting higher level education in ways that would have been unthinkable 20 years ago.

When people talk about 'The Illuminati' running the world people laugh or roll their eyes knowingly. When people talk about 'The Patriarchy' running the world people feel afraid to laugh or argue. Ridicule and robust debate are like a social immune system against such paranoid cults and it is worrying that that has not kicked in yet. People now live out their digital lives in echo chambers that only make their beliefs more extreme. I think it is something to worry about.

Smegmaniac17

Deleted User wrote: »

Except that "rape culture" is actually described as a culture which normalises or trivialises sexual assault/rape. It doesn't assume that all men are rapists but aims to point out everyday actions which occur that were once passed off as playful or expected of men and aims to reclassify them since they can be sexually threatening but due to "rape culture" where actually considered normal.

I think it's very telling that you chose the words: 'it doesn't assume that all men are rapists'. One of the things that the the advocate of the 'rape culture' concept never seems to acknowledge is that the MAJORITY of men do not rape or think it is acceptable! When they say 'we're not saying that ALL men are rapists'' , they should really be saying that 'we acknowledge that MOST men are not rapists or think it's acceptable'! But to do that would be to debunk their own argument and expose their own dishonesty because we all know that the word 'culture', by definition, implies a generalisation of a group of people, their customs, attitudes and beliefs!

Calhoun

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Except that "rape culture" is actually described as a culture which normalises or trivialises sexual assault/rape. It doesn't assume that all men are rapists but aims to point out everyday actions which occur that were once passed off as playful or expected of men and aims to reclassify them since they can be sexually threatening but due to "rape culture" where actually considered normal.

No no it actually does assume all men are rapists and goes as far as reclassifying incidents after the fact as rape.

There was some fairly strong media articles and crap coming from the rape crisis centre for some time which would imply every man out there was a rapist.

Let's not forget the recent thread where a certain blogger who didn't want an uncomfortable argument so may have let herself been raped.

Pac1Man

I have incredible hair.

Beyondgone

Pac1Man wrote: »

I have incredible hair.

Same. Good hair is an asset.

red ears

I don't think it helps when you have people like louise o neill treated as serious journalists when they are really gender trolls. Making a living poking a stick at men. Every newspaper has one these days too.

Calhoun

red ears wrote: »

I don't think it helps when you have people like louise o neill treated as serious journalists when they are really gender trolls. Making a living poking a stick at men. Every newspaper has one these days too.

Indeed most papers have one which is why I find it funny when you have people trying to rewrite what it actually means.

The ongoing attacks on the men of Ireland the forced consent classes and other crap in the media. Quite insulting.

Junkyard Tom

The only place I've noticed this bullshit phoney-war appearing is here on boards.ie. I try not to get drawn in because I don't think it deserves oxygen.