Why are we hating all the men?

pjohnson · 13-05-2017 06:41AM

Rape Culture is one of the most moronic terms ever created.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-05-2017 06:46AM

Conor Bro where do you live. There is no rape culture in the western world.

Are you equating it to what goes on in the likes of the Congo, where rape is used as a weapon of war. Think of how insulting that is to Congelese rape victims.

13-05-2017 06:49AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Rape Culture is one of the most moronic terms ever created.

All neologisms can seem a little ridiculous.

I simply see it as shorthand for "a culture that objectifies and in particular connects violence or degradation with sex". It simply uses an alarming word linked to one aspect of that, "sex and violence culture" would also be acceptable but it's not as headline grabbing.

13-05-2017 06:51AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Conor Bro where do you live. There is no rape culture in the western world.

Are you equating it to what goes on in the likes of the Congo, where rape is used as a weapon of war. Think of how insulting that is to Congelese rape victims.

I live in Kerry.

You are confusing actual rape and rape culture. See my post above. Rape culture is certainly not limited to rape as a weapon of war, that completely misses the meaning of the term. I think rape culture is pretty much everywhere you see frat boy culture...

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 13-05-2017 06:59AM

I find as a woman you're supposed to be a feminist, that somehow if you have your own opinions you're a MRA (like that's an insult?) and a disgrace to the sisterhood. As a woman I like when men carry the basket in Tesco, hold a door open to let the woman go first, Lifts the heavy things etc. I'm fine with not everything being equality yo. In return, I don't mind doing the cleaning or cooking his meals.

Not too long ago we had a journalist write an article revoking consent 15 years later accusing a guy she slept with to avoid an awkward conversation, of rape. Encouraging other women to "realise" they could have been raped too in the past. Completely trivialising the act of rape.

I would feel a bit sorry/worried for guys going forward if that's the level of bull**** women are dishing out. I don't get why it has to be an us vs them mentality. Fact is, We're playing with different strengths. Women tend to be more nurturing, men tend to be better at the physical stuff. Why can't everyone get along? Not every man you meet is a potential rapist and if you don't want to be objectified, then extend to same courtesy to the opposite sex. It's not okay to grope or grab a man just because you may be smaller, and it's certainly not okay to hit a man on the back of "well he can't hit me back im a woman".

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 13-05-2017 07:00AM

Deleted User wrote: »

All neologisms can seem a little ridiculous.

I simply see it as shorthand for "a culture that objectifies and in particular connects violence or degradation with sex". It simply uses an alarming word linked to one aspect of that, "sex and violence culture" would also be acceptable but it's not as headline grabbing.

Women are just as bad for that

Ash.J.Williams · 13-05-2017 07:03AM

https://twitter.com/RosemaryMacCabe/status/862265037372698624

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 13-05-2017 07:05AM

^ she's getting crazy close to trump levels of idiocy so I'd take her ramblings with a pinch of salt. She's just trying to cash in on his success on what should be the happiest occasion of his life.

13-05-2017 07:07AM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RosemaryMacCabe/status/862265037372698624

McGregor is a classic misogynist, though I suspect he would not grasp the meaning of that word.

Many of the words and phrases he uses see women as the yardstick, the very definition, of weakness...so he describes opponents as "bi**hes" and "pu**ies", he talks about women sitting on his "d**k" in a casual tweet etc.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-05-2017 07:27AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I live in Kerry.

You are confusing actual rape and rape culture. See my post above. Rape culture is certainly not limited to rape as a weapon of war, that completely misses the meaning of the term. I think rape culture is pretty much everywhere you see frat boy culture...

I know you're a lawman Conor. Can you tell me the definition of Rape. It's a very serious criminal offence, right?

The word should not be bandied about so loosely. Frat boy culture is not equatable to rape culture.

You're comparing jocks with actual men who view women as nothing more than vehicles to forcibly ride in a war effort.

13-05-2017 07:37AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I know you're a lawman Conor. Can you tell me the definition of Rape. It's a very serious criminal offence, right?

The word should not be bandied about so loosely...

Yes, hence I am all too aware that words are used in a wider context than their strict legal definition.

So now you hear of rape being used to mean overcharging in a shop, overtaxing by Government, even receiving bad decisions by a ref...it's used everywhere. Im sure we both agree that those uses are very ugly and trivialise the offence...but in a term that relates to a culture that links sex and violence, I find it more acceptable as short hand...albeit still not entirely accurate.

But not sure the difference between us is that great, we are only disagreeing on etymology, I can live with "frat boy culture".

pjohnson · 13-05-2017 09:56AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Women are just as bad for that

I saw a blog post complaining about Baywatch 2017 and how one of the clips showed Efron looking at Daddarrios boobs and how it objectified her especially since she was made jiggle them. Before the exact same post started salivating over The Rocks chest. Modern day feminism is an absolute parody.

Neon_Lights · 13-05-2017 09:59AM

myshirt wrote: »

There is a trick here in dealing with this type of angry woman.

If she comes at you with a knife in particular, which can be a frightening experience. What you need to do is maintain composure. Immediately grab some butter, some ham, and some bread. Brown or white, your choice. In will kick her natural instincts and she will make you a sandwich.
Situation defused, but yes, you have to be tactful here, because there is undoubtedly an increasing trend of hatred and violence towards men.

Tried with an avocado, involuntarily got avocado hand

buckwheat · 13-05-2017 10:10AM

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

I think it's vastly over exaggerated tbh.

Real life just doesn't seem to be the way boards says it is and other than boards, I barely see it as much as referenced anywhere else. (And that's both sides of the fence btw).

This. I'm a man and I'm not in the slightest bit oppressed by crazy feminists. It's all Internet bollocks. Never even encountered one of them in real life and if I did I'd pay no remarks same as any crazy person.

Will I Am Not · 13-05-2017 10:15AM

It is out there in this country.

Replies are disgusting so maybe don't read...

https://twitter.com/jpy_kurdish/status/861404580768362496

......... · 13-05-2017 10:43AM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

It is out there in this country.

Replies are disgusting so maybe don't read...

https://twitter.com/jpy_kurdish/status/861404580768362496

Excellent eye opener.

Every decent person in Ireland should watch this and wake up.

Will I Am Not · 13-05-2017 10:47AM

......... wrote: »

Excellent eye opener.

Every decent person in Ireland should watch this and wake up.

It's an old video I seen before. I couldn't find the full video anywhere.
If it was one lone nut that's fair enough but she seems to get a lot of support.

Yourself isit · 13-05-2017 10:48AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Huh?

Rape culture does not prescribe that all men are rapists.

It does not even claim that all men who engage in rape culture are rapists.

Rape culture disgusts me. Every time I hear a man saying he'd smash it, how he'd leave her bleeding, how he'd drive her head into the headboard...that disgusts me. But I do not see that man as a rapist.

You need better friends.

Stonedpilot · 13-05-2017 10:52AM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

It is out there in this country.

Replies are disgusting so maybe don't read...

https://twitter.com/jpy_kurdish/status/861404580768362496

People who dont see misandry in society are blind. Look at the hatred in her eyes. What kind of lunatic would allow an unhinged woman rant incoherent hate againt men like that on behalf of their movement?.
Screaming like a banshee.Know your place. What a rude condesending angry thing to be ranting.

Most men wont speak up against this nonsense as they fear upsetting the other half.

......... · 13-05-2017 10:53AM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

It's an old video I seen before. I couldn't find the full video anywhere.
If it was one lone nut that's fair enough but she seems to get a lot of support.

I think the short video is plenty to get the agenda, there's only so much bile and hatred you need to listen to.
The real eye opener is the cheers and applause from the crowd for it.

If a white male stood up and said anything similar about women, it would rightly be exposed by the western media, and pilloried endlessly by the media.
Instead we have a situation where the western media effectively protect and collaborate this sort of thing by covering it up.

retro:electro · 13-05-2017 10:55AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Huh?

Rape culture does not prescribe that all men are rapists.

It does not even claim that all men who engage in rape culture are rapists.

Rape culture disgusts me. Every time I hear a man saying he'd smash it, how he'd leave her bleeding, how he'd drive her head into the headboard...that disgusts me. But I do not see that man as a rapist.

Ya. Your friends are assholes. Have you never heard a woman say "I'd ride it til it fell off"?

Stonedpilot · 13-05-2017 10:56AM

......... wrote: »

I think the short video is plenty to get the agenda, there's only so much bile and hatred you need to listen to.
The real eye opener is the cheers and applause from the crowd for it.

This bile and hatred amazingly is considered passion for the rights of an oppressed people by the media.

......... · 13-05-2017 11:01AM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Most men wont speak up against this nonsense as they fear upsetting the other half.

I think they should start by asking their other half to watch it, and see what they think.

The woman's actions will be defended/dismissed by saying she is 'just a lone nutter' . . . but thing is they can't hide the obvious applause, co-operation and approval of the crowd.

Achasanai · 13-05-2017 11:07AM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

It is out there in this country.

Replies are disgusting so maybe don't read...

https://twitter.com/jpy_kurdish/status/861404580768362496

The internet makes everything seem louder than it is. If this hadn't been captured and put on Twitter, it would've just been the ramblings of an increasingly angry person venting. Nobody would remember it. It's also worth noting that the crowd gets visibly awkward and audibly silent as her speech continues.

A while ago, I disconnected from Facebook, stopped interacting with Boards as much as I had previously, stopped reading below the comments line on The Journal and sites like that. You don't hear the crazies as much and you realise that they are in the complete minority, as they have always been (as evidenced by never meeting them in real life). This applies to people like the woman in the video, the Una Mullally types, the MRA-types, the Conor McGregor types. They're not reflective of the vast majority of society.

......... · 13-05-2017 11:18AM

Achasanai wrote: »

The internet makes everything seem louder than it is. If this hadn't been captured and put on Twitter, it would've just been the ramblings of an increasingly angry person venting. Nobody would remember it. It's also worth noting that the crowd gets visibly awkward and audibly silent as her speech continues.

A while ago, I disconnected from Facebook, stopped interacting with Boards as much as I had previously, stopped reading below the comments line on The Journal and sites like that. You don't hear the crazies as much and you realise that they are in the complete minority, as they have always been (as evidenced by never meeting them in real life). This applies to people like the woman in the video, the Una Mullally types, the MRA-types, the Conor McGregor types. They're not reflective of the vast majority of society.

The useful thing about social media is a good representation of what many people really mean when their mask is off.
The political point of view promoted in the mainstream media pretty much reflects a slightly sanitised but aligned view of what you see being promoted on social media. It's the same agenda, just a bit more polished and just worded more carefully, but the same aim.

retro:electro · 13-05-2017 11:30AM

Achasanai wrote: »

The internet makes everything seem louder than it is. If this hadn't been captured and put on Twitter, it would've just been the ramblings of an increasingly angry person venting. Nobody would remember it. It's also worth noting that the crowd gets visibly awkward and audibly silent as her speech continues.

A while ago, I disconnected from Facebook, stopped interacting with Boards as much as I had previously, stopped reading below the comments line on The Journal and sites like that. You don't hear the crazies as much and you realise that they are in the complete minority, as they have always been (as evidenced by never meeting them in real life). This applies to people like the woman in the video, the Una Mullally types, the MRA-types, the Conor McGregor types. They're not reflective of the vast majority of society.

It's not just exclusive to online. More and more these people are being given a voice and a platform- newspaper columns, tv shows.. are you going to tell me to stop buying newspapers and turn off my tv? Brendan O Connor had a chat show and every week there were three guests, two out of three of these guests were usually these types of loonies. They're usually young women, and the opponent who disgregards their nonsense is usually someone old, seen as a dinosaur, usually a man, and is told he needs to get with the times, and something something male privilege.
I could turn off my tv and act like it's not happening, sure. But my point is, this type of hogwash is increasingly becoming the norm.

eyerer · 13-05-2017 11:41AM

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Men as I'm sure you've noticed are now also increasingly portrayed as weak buffoons in advertisements and in drama / films.

I first noticed this in comedies, maybe 20 years ago. In the end I stopped watching them.
The man is always stupid and the butt of jokes, the woman is strong, immune to criticism and always right. I'd hate to see this crap spread to other genres. Another thing I noticed that in a male-oriented drama, say boardwalk empire, the main women are portrayed as strong. If you watch a female oriented program men are either objectified or ridiculed (new Ghostbusters?). Have you seen the yoghurt adverts.. always geared at women and the men wear very little clothes and are portrayed as stupid. Women would never be portrayed like that now but its ok for men.

I wish I didn't notice it because I don't see it changing.

Achasanai · 13-05-2017 11:56AM

......... wrote: »

The useful thing about social media is a good representation of what many people really mean when their mask is off.
The political point of view promoted in the mainstream media pretty much reflects a slightly sanitised but aligned view of what you see being promoted on social media. It's the same agenda, just a bit more polished and just worded more carefully, but the same aim.

But online is not necessarily representative of the general population. How many conversations do you have with people that veer into the bile that that woman espouses in the video? Even amongst my feminist friends, there was a lot of eye-rolling when that video did the rounds (and it's very interesting to read that the lack of applause and a visibly uncomfortable crowd as she gets going is being used as proof of support for her views from the crowd). The same goes for the MRA-enthusiasts.

anna080 wrote: »

It's not just exclusive to online. More and more these people are being given a voice and a platform- newspaper columns, tv shows.. are you going to tell me to stop buying newspapers and turn off my tv? Brendan O Connor had a chat show and every week there were three guests, two out of three of these guests were usually these types of loonies. They're usually young women, and the opponent who disgregards their nonsense is usually someone old, usually a man, and is told he needs to get with the times, and something something male privilege.
I could turn off my tv and act like it's not happening, sure. But my point is, this type of hogwash is increasingly becoming the norm.

No, you can read and watch what you like, but just because someone's being given a platform doesn't mean that they are representative of anything close to approaching a majority. People love to see conspiracies, that their ideas are being threatened by a strange new pulse in society but honestly, the Brendan O Connor Show - a show whose sole purpose is to desperately get ratings to justify another season - is not a measure of the zeitgeist. Be more selective in what news and entertainment you ingest and always remember: a columnist or a guest on a talk show is there to increase ratings or subscriptions.

(I'm just guessing regarding the Brendan O Connor Show, as I've only seen it a few times. Those few times were painful enough but if, as you suggest, the format has descended into having 3 guests, with two loony feminists attacking an older man every single week, then I doubt it'll be on our screens for much longer).

Murrisk · 13-05-2017 11:57AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I work with young people, and had a bit of a shock today at a 13 year old girl's reaction to a scene in a video.
This was a completely innocuous scene, with something meaningless, but she exclaimed : "What ? but that's sexist !".

I can't even remember what the scene was, this was something like a boy giving a girl a doughnut or something, there wasn't a shadow of anything sexist about it.

Our young ladies are soaking in all of this, so fúckwits or not, their influence is seeping into the real world. There is a generation of young ladies who don't quite understand the ins and outs, but are buying into the victim stance, and the defensive behaviour.

Boys talk about it too, often saying things like : "well I'd better not say that because people will say it's sexist".

I think that's real life.
They're not really "events" as such, more attitudes that I see evolving.

I dunno. I'm 33 and went through an "OMG, women are so oppressed, ALL men are assholes, I'm a feminist!" phase in my early-mid teens. It passes. (for most) It's more a developmental phase, IMO, to be a bit sanctimonious (and frequently hypocritical) because you believe you should fight for popular, clichéd causes without thinking about it all too deeply. It's nothing new, from what I can see.

cloudatlas · 13-05-2017 11:58AM

We need to think about citizenship as including everyone. Feminism is about women asking that power structures that we are ALL confined by are changed. Feminism is beneficial to men as well as it's about women having more visibility, more of a say, which boost fairness, wellbeing and is better for us as a society to be on an even keel, to say that feminism is about man hating is reductive and certainly some of the posts on this thread have been frivolous which takes away from the real problems here. We need to make society more inclusive and feminism helps in that aim and casts light on other areas where inclusiveness in not in effect also.

I feel sometimes if a woman shouts 'I am a victim of this' men clam up and say 'i am a victim' of your generalised misandrism, not all men' but that is not the issue, the issue is much much bigger it's about social roles, values, institutional power, gender pay gaps. Don't fall into the trap of being reductive!

Example: Child care is still mainly the role of the female in society, the woman will work part time while men continue on with their career. The role of women in child birth is already reflected in maternity leave but after that there is no reason why child care should not be shared or the woman given the choice to continue on her path but still the majority of people you see at the school gate are women. I don't know about the Dail but in the house of commons around 75% percent of men in parliament have children, less than 50% of women in the house of commons have children. The conclusion is that it's harder for women to have children and be in a high powered job, women have to have a supportive or rich partner for them to be able to have both whereas it is easier for men to have both. This paradigm operates in other industries as well.

As another poster said men are exposed to men on men violence but women are exposed more to men on women violence. We need to ask why, where is the failure? I feel sick opening the newspaper sometimes reading the violent acts perpetrated against women. How, why is society failing these young men?

The media still portrays women as commodities and something that men deserve.

Language also plays a part, if a man shys away from something or isn't good at a sport he has either done it 'like a girl' or he is 'a pussy'. Women are referred to as farm animals; Cows, Chickens, Bitches etc., For a while on after hours posters were allowed to reply to posts with 'blast her with piss'.

I need feminism and I don't agree with the O.P's attempt to repackage it and make it about 'hysteria' and 'man hating'.

Why are we hating all the men?

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